Treat people with decency and respect or else...we'll talk about your video game on a forum and ask for refunds?
Someone alert the FBI.
Also, I hope this puts to bed this myth that even if you do the right thing, somehow places like Reset will keep being on your ass about it nomatter what. Most of the responses here have acknowleged the apology as a really great one, and the response itself -- with the donation -- as quite literally life-changing for LGBTQ people. What you saw go down here wasn't mob rule, after all; it was a light in a dark corner of an industry that so often fails to self reflect. Kudos to the thread starter, the people involved, 3DR for their work.
"Moving forward all of 3D Realms' contracts will include terms which would allow us to sever relationships if a contractor does not abide by our zero-tolerance policy for hate speech."
ill never stop laughing at the idea that going "woke" is bad for a company, when the opposite has been proved time and time again. ignorance is bliss, i guess.
I'm actually impressed by Voidpoint's response. It is clear and decisive; they apologise, take responsibility, make no excuses, and commit to preventative measures so that it never happens again. And they put their money where their mouth is.
As disturbing as their actions were to begin with, given their statement I feel OK giving them a second chance. They just gotta stick to their word, now.
Just to clarify, I believe this was 3DRealms' response, not Voidpoint's.
I was worried I'd get this wrong, lol. Darn.Just to clarify, I believe this was 3DRealms' response, not Voidpoint's.
Treat people with decency and respect or else...we'll talk about your video game on a forum and ask for refunds?
Someone alert the FBI.
Honestly, firings from Voidpoint to be honest. 3D Realms had to come out and say sorry as well as make a donation cause you had a few people say the stupidest shit possible and double down, triple down on it. People get fired for smaller shit all the time yet game developers just always skirt by.For those of you who are still unconvinced or happy. What would the devs/publisher have to do to make you personally comfortable enough to buy the game again? I'm still undecided myself.
Not sure what's up with social media. What am I supposed to be mad about with this game?
Not sure what's up with social media. What am I supposed to be mad about with this game?
That's the Steam forum page for pretty much every game TBH.Holy shit, don't go onto the Steam forum page for Ion Fury. People on there are having a meltdown over "cucks" and "SJWs". Threads keep getting deleted.
For those of you who are still unconvinced or happy. What would the devs/publisher have to do to make you personally comfortable enough to buy the game again? I'm still undecided myself.
Yet all the best gaming gif makers are on resetera..... 👀Of course it's now getting review bombed by incels and "free speech" advocates. Though this one kinda made me laugh a little:
jokes on them, i played a video game just last year!Of course it's now getting review bombed by incels and "free speech" advocates. Though this one kinda made me laugh a little:
While we're living in their heads rent free, would you by chance know where the, uh, soap is?
This is a tangent, but it's always somewhere on the back of my mind that the First Amendment explicitly protects hate speech, which has been shown time and time again.Freedom of speech only works if consumers are free to support what they want based on the speech that thing contains, or the speech professed by the people that make it. The people who don't want it to work that way don't believe in free speech. They only want their own speech protected.
I got my refund because I didn't want to support a developer who tolerated the sexist, homophobic and transphobic things it appeared this dev did (based on the Twitter account's terrible reactions).
They don't like that the dev has apologized, because it underlines that there was something to be apologized for in the first place.
Because they don't want to be culpable for the things they say.
And freedom of speech only works, if *we are*. Freedom of speech only works in a society that selects good ideas over bad ones. The market place of ideas. That's the whole principle. They're getting refunds because it's what we did. Because they think maybe it'll get the devs to start ignoring hate speech and put bigotry back into their game.
It won't.
Freedom of speech at work.
Of course it's now getting review bombed by incels and "free speech" advocates. Though this one kinda made me laugh a little:
But those protections for hate speech only go a short distance. Yeah you can be Westboro Baptist church and be homophobic hate mongers but it isn't going to grow your congregation much, if at all. And that's by design.This is a tangent, but it's always somewhere on the back of my mind that the First Amendment explicitly protects hate speech, which has been shown time and time again.
The situation strikes me as being similar to gun laws. They're protected by the same "taking your rights" and nigh-divine legal cult ideas, it's the same thing where you can see other countries that have workable laws but then then America can't pull that off.
Similarly to how defenses of unrestricted firearms sales tend to speak of an ulterior motive, I also feel like a lot of people decrying free speech tend to be aware that it's useful cover for their desire to engage in hate speech, and actual reasoning about the effectiveness of free speech can only fall on deaf ears.
Hi, I'm new here. I'm a man (assigned female at birth) who's been into ego shooters since my dad let me play Quake as a kid, much to his surprise and amusement that I wanted to, and ego shooters have been one of the few safe topics we could connect on until he passed away. The last one we ever talked about was Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, which we both thought was terrible, and I haven't bothered with the new ones. I bought Ion Maiden in Early Access, which was basically a short demo, and it got me so stoked I double-dipped and bought the Limited Founder's Edition which I'm still waiting for.
I got down on the full version the moment it launched, beat it on Maximum Fury without savescumming in two eight-hour sittings, and it's far and away the best ego shooter campaign I've played since Modern Warfare 2. I started talking about it with one of my friends and told them to check it out, and then they told me about all this nonsense. I came here to check it out, and... this has been all really fucked up, straight from one of the best experiences I've had with a videogame this year (and in my life in general) to a persistent migraine that I'm still reconciling with. Total whiplash in the past week.
I'm not so shocked that some of the developers are blatant bigots and their fanbase are supportive of them. I've always been a hardcore gamer, I know the culture, I deal with this shit online and off all the time. I'm glad this forum exists and that there are people on here who will not let hateful and phobic viewpoints fester without opposition. I'm surprised that 3D Realms has made a reasonable and direct apology, and I'm laughing at all the hypocritical idiots who are review bombing and screaming about censorship because a shampoo bottle is getting replaced.
In the future I hope people will remember the game and not this incident, because the game is life-affirmingly incredible to me aside from that one shampoo bottle sprite and an OOB message and repeated references to The Room, and I hope the transphobic people who made this game continue to make incredible games without their phobic bullshit in them.
But, to be more personal, this event really underscored a conflict I've had my whole life in how I relate to art and other people. All my trans and allied friends don't really care about videogames, and I don't blame them, but it's frustrating when Ion Maiden has so much that's original and breathtaking to say about level design, simply some of the most inventive and detailed and sprawling and interconnected ego shooter levels ever are in this, but people everywhere (and on here) will take any excuse to disregard brilliance and go back to playing Overwatch or their even more insidious Atlus JRPGs. If you don't want to support bigots, why not pirate the game? And if you care about ego shooters, why are you talking about buying it on Switch? I can understand playing it on a real console if one's life situation demands it, but a Switch? There's no chance it'll run at 60FPS (it already chugs a bit on my GTX 1070-equipped PC), and how are you gonna snap headshots while strafing in a split-second with those nubbed finger sticks unless the game does it for you, and then what's the point? It's just not fair to the game, or to yourself. It reminds me of what David Lynch said about watching a movie on a smartphone. Is it really worth it?
All my life I've had to engage with people who pretend to tolerate my identity, and people who pretend to care about videogames. The only safe space I could rely upon growing up is playing Quake III online, kicking ass and earning respect, but I can't take that outside. I can't take it online anymore either, because nobody cares about Quake anymore and people decided to cancel LawBreakers. Cancel Paragon. Cancel Ion Fury. Cancel everything. Everyone's a fucking asshole who hates me and the things I love, and in the end I'm so numb to bigotry and to posers and to all the screaming and nobody really loving anything anymore. I can't express how I feel about anything anymore without being canceled.
I'm a trans person and Ion Fury is GOTY 2019. Please play it.
The Metacritic whiplash by the incels is amazing. 10s and 0s both crying about the same thing. They truly played themselves.
I'm laughing my ass off at all the negative reviews popping up on Steam because the devs apologized and "censored" their game. Apparently we are the "alt-left".
Thankfully these reviews will be filed under "bullshit" real quick.Of course it's now getting review bombed by incels and "free speech" advocates. Though this one kinda made me laugh a little: