The connotation of the phrase is still around the area of the word-for-word meaning, or taken sarcastically in the sense of "you've had your excitement for the day, so go home". It's not a great phrase to use in this situation.
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Ion Fury devs show signs of transphobia among other issues. [Update: Voidpoint apologizes in statement, see threadmarks]
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Hmm, that's a surprisingly decent apology. I sincerely they follow through on donating that amount to the Trevor Project. And I really hope this doesn't become a fool-me-twice-never-again situation wherein TerminX and/or any other Voidpoint devs try spouting the same hateful crap they did recently. Seriously guys, "keep the politics out of games" for once (it's not okay when you do it and then blame us) and focus on making awesome throwback FPSes
Also, if anyone at 3D Realms is reading: vet your potential game devs for this stuff starting as soon as possible. Plenty of modders and level designers in FPS fan scenes do work just as amazing and consistent as these guys, at least outside the Build engine, without any of the bigotry.
Also, if anyone at 3D Realms is reading: vet your potential game devs for this stuff starting as soon as possible. Plenty of modders and level designers in FPS fan scenes do work just as amazing and consistent as these guys, at least outside the Build engine, without any of the bigotry.
Better than expected. If they follow through on this maybe I will pick this up at some point.
Thanks for reporting on this, Imran. May I make a nitpick, though, and suggest you use transgender instead of transsexual?
Holy shit. Of all the companies to actually have the correct response, I never thought it would be 3DR. Good on them.
Solid article from Game Informer. Respect.
I'll be waiting to see if Voidpoint actually follows through and gets their shit together. Still not sure if I actually want to play the game anymore, but maybe by the time it lands on the Switch I'll feel more inclined.
That's a good apology by 3DR. I wonder if those Voidpoint devs are going to keep their jobs. You'd think they wouldn't if their employer doesn't endorse their statements and attitudes.
Good response by 3D Realms and Voidpoint. Calling this shit out, donating money to LGBTQ friendly charities and sensitive training for everyone regarding this. I mean, you can still be mad at the devs and whatnot, but you can't deny this is a better response than what THQ Nordic had with their 8chan AMA blunder.
Damn, that's pretty good. Good job on the article, Imran, and good job Voidpoint for realising this stuff was pretty bad (Even if it shouldn't have been there on the first place). Hope they go through with what they said.
Depends on whether or not they ever signed a code of conduct as a mandatory condition of their employment. I think a lot more of these issues would be resolved before they happen if such a thing was in place.
Oh shit, you're here. Great article. Really appreciate you pursuing this.
Well hey, something good came out. Course shall see if they follow through with their plans, but it is a nice statement. Guess I don't need to worry much for Wraith and maybe reconsider Ion Fury at a later time (well I was going to wait for the switch version anyway).
One of the problems in this scenario is that the company is the devs in the gaming industry. It isn't quite like a tech startup where you can buy the company for their invention and then shrug off as the founders leave. You can take license, but if you want them to do the work, you need the people that are specialized for it.
But it's good if 3D Realms takes it seriously. Company culture is set from above. Even if you can't change people's hearts, you can change their behaviour.
I'd rather see the devs just come around to the realization that they made a big mistake, and to learn how to better make games for everyone. They are clearly talented, and the game is good, but I think what 3DR is doing is going to be enforcing a standard that we can all live with and *hopefully* it will, in the end, just mean that the next game we get from Voidpoint doesn't contain any of this garbage.
As unbelievable as it is, 3DR is puting their money where their mouth is, and they are doing the right thing. If that is the kind of influence that exists above Voidpoint, then I'm confident things can and will be better moving forward.
Wow, I'm very pleasantly surprised, that's an actual good statement with some action taken. Although it's unclear to me if the statement is just from 3D Realms or from Voidpoint also.
I think the response is pretty solid, specifically about having a new zero-tolerance policy moving forward.
I've gotta say though, any time someone is openly using these kinds of slurs/biggotry, and pulls an insincere "the context was removed" retort to try to deflect, that burns about 10000% of any credibility they have. That goes from bad behavior to outright lies. I have a feeling knowing they did that, they had no choice but to actually respond to the substance of it.
I've gotta say though, any time someone is openly using these kinds of slurs/biggotry, and pulls an insincere "the context was removed" retort to try to deflect, that burns about 10000% of any credibility they have. That goes from bad behavior to outright lies. I have a feeling knowing they did that, they had no choice but to actually respond to the substance of it.
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That's a pretty damn good statement, and exactly the kind of thing that companies need to do.
It doesn't matter if it's all just PR, call out your bullshit and take action to improve. Doing so doesn't just make people feel better, but it delegitimises those who want to try and downplay the issues. It's harder to try and claim that someone did nothing wrong when they're talking about what they did wrong.
People are always going to be assholes, which is why it's important for the larger collectives to take action.
It doesn't matter if it's all just PR, call out your bullshit and take action to improve. Doing so doesn't just make people feel better, but it delegitimises those who want to try and downplay the issues. It's harder to try and claim that someone did nothing wrong when they're talking about what they did wrong.
People are always going to be assholes, which is why it's important for the larger collectives to take action.
That's a really good apology to be honest. I'm glad to see that it doesn't beat around the bush or pretend that the things they said weren't actually transphobic or sexist, and that it focuses on how things are going to improve from here. I doubt that the culture in that discord and the dev team will change over night or anything, but this is a good first step and I hope they follow through on all of it
Completely agree.
I find it's a pretty good response and a breath of fresh air after the honestly terrible one from THQ Nordic.
Even if that is 3D Realms making them apologise it's still a good result and hopefully the sensitivity training will make a few of them understand why this sort of language is unacceptable.
I would rather the training actually change their viewpoints and make them better people than have them fired and then they are still going around saying stuff like this.
I believe anybody can change given the chance and the right tools, maybe that's naive of me but I would rather we try and maybe even change one mind than not try at all.
I would rather the training actually change their viewpoints and make them better people than have them fired and then they are still going around saying stuff like this.
I believe anybody can change given the chance and the right tools, maybe that's naive of me but I would rather we try and maybe even change one mind than not try at all.
I imagine all the centrists are grinding their teeth right now.
Sincerity is hard to gauge, but this is as good an apology as they come. Thanks Imran for writing that article and also Twenty5Thousand for bringing all of it to light.
So the people that worked on the game who made those comments or inserted those things in the game are fired? Did the money come from them? Do they still see profit from the game? It's a good apology but at the same time it shouldn't turn into "I guess it's okay to buy the game now" if those people are still involved.
All well and good but were those employees fired?
Only then is it a worthy show of repentance.
Only then is it a worthy show of repentance.
Not everyone who was put off by the initial issues and bigotry has to accept the statement/apology, that's going to come down to the individual. It doesn't misplace blame, takes full responsibility of the issues and impact, and says they're taking action both internally with training, and giving back to the community with charitable donations. It reads as genuine, or about as genuine as one can expect from this sort of thing, and at the very least it's very unlikely some of these developers will be using their platform to spout anymore bigotry or cruelty, as had happened.
For me, it was a good statement, and I'm going to take a wait and see approach in hopes that they follow through on their promises and wait for this to die down a little, but i'm certainly feeling more comfortable with all this, as well as with supporting future 3D Realms products that i've been anticipating, like Wrath.
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If they still work there nothing was done. If I did the same in my job in a public way I'd be out the door.
You're the best dude.
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I'm glad to see some actual actions being taken especially with the donation but the way this reads I still don't want to support this developer team as such. So I'm going to keep this one on infinite back burner and see if anything new comes up in a while.
Yeah, I really hope they don't see this as overly sensitive people essentially just ratting them out. It's not like anyone started out with any ill will toward them, it's quite the contrary, this has been incredibly disappointing to many of us. I really hope they can learn from this and be better people in the end.
Perhaps. But "we'd like to keep politics to a minimum tbh" is merely code for "we don't want anything to do with LBGTQIA or any other progressive nonsense".
Good apology, but I don't think for a minute that these people will stop being transphobic scumbags. I hope they really follow through and it's not just words, but bigots don't change easily.
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