Consider that the 3DR staff will ban you for saying the word Resetera within seconds, but they allowed transphobic discussions to flow freely. And from the developers themselves at that.
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Ion Fury devs show signs of transphobia among other issues. [Update: Voidpoint apologizes in statement, see threadmarks]
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Consider that the 3DR staff will ban you for saying the word Resetera within seconds, but they allowed transphobic discussions to flow freely. And from the developers themselves at that.
Well sure, but we're talking pre and post crisis here. They're actually paying attention now that people have kicked up a fuss.
Shit that makes it worst if they still allow that discussion to be prevalent in the discord.
Does that mean 3DR is willing to support transphobia too? They didn't make it clear that they were against it.
Man, I sure am glad of all the interesting retro FPS games coming out, this was one I didn't purchase yet.
1- if your mentality hasn't moved from shitty 90s teenager you just do it.
2- people have a lot of free time.
As someone earlier said, it's more than likely the name of a backer
Noclip exploration is fairly popular so I imagine more stuff will crop up
are you building a homophobic/transphobic tier list or something
Not all bad things are equally bad. Didn't realise that was news.
Ugh, I really wanted to buy and play this game but now.. I just can't. Nope. Fuck them.. Ah well. Plenty of other games to play.
Published by 3D Realms but it did have some early access benefits I believe?
do those benefits include getting a name in the game?
i googled a bit and didn't see anything
Build engine games are full of out the map easter eggs, every level has dozens of those rooms, and they appear on the map when you press TAB so they aren't hard to find.
Ion Fury definitely seems to have a solid defense force that seems to equally detest LGBTQ+ people. From brigading here to any articles around it.
I hope other articles focus on the long conversation instead of the scattershot examples that can be too easily (though incorrectly obviously) hand-waved as misconstrued or one-off.
Just an assumption on my part honestly, I haven't followed development so I'm not sure
Otherwise I really don't know what to make of those random words
we should have zero tolerance for any homophobia/transphobia. comparing them is pointless and a distraction.
That's just how news site comments sections have been for literally forever. Only asshats and bots ever use them.
Those comments...
Also, out of morbid curiosity I searched YouTube for something on the topic and found
Mod Edit: Let's not signal boost links like these
It seems they have latched on to the superficial issue of the OP calling out derogatory use of "SJW", painting Era as a hive of insanity while conveniently glazing over all the hate, discrimination and misinformation. (This content creator seems to be so transphobic that he can't even bring himself to read "trans" out loud...)
Viewer discretion advised.
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If you say so. I'd suggest passing on your thoughts to the Admin/Mod team if there's changes you'd like to see made to the way things are done here.
Youtube has been a shithaven for far too long for 30 min long le SJW videos, it's hardly surprising. Hell the only things I use it for are for fighting game guides and random movie clips and the algorithm is still pushing CAPTAIN MARVEL SJW AGENDA videos onto me
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Bought the game when it was in early access. March 2018. Didn't expect to get a refund, but hearing that others managed, I figured it was worth a shot.
Not in the mood to fight with Steam support over this. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they're just as much a bunch of asses to some degree. I mean, it is Steam we're talking about here.
I may seem naive for only considering it now, but it feels so depressing and hopeless knowing that people (just regular, everyday folk) can easily make a platform for large followings and revenue by spreading such manipulative bullshit.
I'm trying to imagine having an actual conversation with such people, and reasoning with their followers, and it fills me with fear. Like standing ground against a horde of mindless zombies.
Some have said that when a movement is desperate and on the verge of death, it becomes its most loud and terrifying.
I really hope that's true, and that threads like this will ultimately have a positive impact.
They just echo a lot of the tabloids here in the UK so I'm fairly used to people with similar views. I think if you pushed the topic with coworkers and stuff you'd realise it's pretty pervasive even among the regular folk, just not to the same intensity.
The last 3D Realms game I reviewed was Bombshell*. Even back then I got the vibe that they couldn't care less about issues such as homophobia, transphobia, etc. This was back in January of 2016 too, which was well before Trump's election.
*Honestly, I was actually a fan of it.
Scary stuff.
Sorry mods for linking that thing. Wasn't thinking. Thanks for the edit.
Good to see media reporting on this too, props to Game Revolution.
I'm not sure what you mean here. I'll be the first person to criticize Valve for their libertarian stance on many issues, but eh, I wouldn't put them on the same level as homophobes or transphobes.
lmao is this for real?
mind blowing. blatant transphobia can flow freely in their chats but mentioning Resetera cops you a ban. that's so childish, smh 3DR.
At times like these I feel like it is hard to believe that we are trending in the right direction...
I saw some people apparently directly getting in contact with steam and them bypassing the time limit.
Just had the mental image of some libertarian tech-bro being all "Transphobia is not a valid excuse for a refund. We have to allow all opinions on Steam and it's your fault for having a moral objection."
Completely unfounded, but I'm in a shitty mood following one of my most anticipated games of the year getting completely sunk by the rotten attitude of the developers.
I call bullshit. You can refund games on steam without any reason if you want.
This is bigger than the topic, but I think that an important piece of perspective to have is that often times, things look negative because they're moving forward. Change scares people, and that fear motivates them into attempting to stop that change.
Beyond that, in order for problems to be solved, you have to learn they exist. So it may seem like a whole bunch of things are going wrong when the reality is that they were always that way and you just didn't know until someone made a move to address them.
Don't know what else to add. Game was bought too long ago for the automatic system to work and I wasn't in the mood to talk with actual tech support.
You can have the game deleted from your account. I did that before with a THQN game.
Which I have already done.
Hm. I think some details got lost here. My fault for muddying the waters by venting. Sorry about that.
Sounds like one hell of an echo chamber. They look so weak when they are scared of Resetera typed out. Can't stop incels looking weak though, that is just who they are.
I just want to point out that a lot of the discussion that has been moderated on the Discord was people looking to sneer at the situation and the forum. The community on the discord is, if you haven't guessed already from the myriad of non-dev comments in the Discord, about what you'd expect for things like 'beating sense into children' to crop up and go unchallenged by devs and staff.
There are definite questions raised about why everything was allowed to transpire unabated on the official 3D Realms Discord - that's presented as an official line of contact on their website - and why they never took issue with the transphobic and homophobic rhetoric on display in numerous conversations over time.
The developers haven't been hiding these views either over this time, they're all in the normal public channels.
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Steam refunds have strict time constraints to stop people from completing a game and then getting their money back.
If you played the demo/early access, your playtime is carried over and therefore you likely do not qualify for a refund.
Please don't imply that they are holding back your refund because of your opinions (which steam do not know).
There is no requirement to tell them why you want a refund.
If you played the demo/early access, your playtime is carried over and therefore you likely do not qualify for a refund.
Please don't imply that they are holding back your refund because of your opinions (which steam do not know).
There is no requirement to tell them why you want a refund.
Ooh these scary liberals are everywhere.
Seriously the folks at 3DR are so delusional and apparently far right, it's not even funny. Simply disgusting.
Yeah, I get where you're coming from. Steam has a no-question-asked refund policy as long as you're within the refund window, but if you happen to be outside of that window a support rep will have to handle your case individually, and naturally the result will vary depending on the person handling it. Now, I can agree that devs with a hateful rhetoric is as good reason as any for a refund, but I can also acknowledge the risk of granting refunds no matter what as a company. That's not really viable, or having a verification process for each case for that matter. I don't necessarily think it's due to a libertarian stance in this case.
However the case, I don't think you're wrong in criticizing Valve for not accepting your refund. Keep fighting for what you think is right. But I would at least be prepared for repeated rejections. :p
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