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Insider: "Xbox Anaconda aims to be the clearly better performing device" compared to PS5
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To be fair - there's no historical precedent for simultaneous launch hardware to be significantly apart at the same target price point.
MS only has one example of noticeably outperforming competition launching at the same time, and that required a 30% higher MSRP and incurring massive losses on hardware(which competitor didn't) for the entire generation.
1X, which people use as the 'gold standard' didn't even get close to that - performance increase was significantly less, it still had a similar price increase and it was on the market a full year later.
Of course now someone will come and say precedents get broken all the time - but that kind of hand waving can go both ways with the lack of info we have at the moment.
I'm not gonna claim that they'll be looking to sell consoles at a huge loss, but there's a clear difference between making such a play at the start of a generation, especially one you know going into that your competition has all the momentum... and making the same play in an environment where having the cheaper console will clearly not make any significant difference to the landscape. The X and S were about correcting Xbox's hardware image. By the time they were released nobody at MS would have had any delusions that they would be able to notably change the course of the generation, that ship had long sailed. That wouldn't necessarily be the case at the start of a new console cycle, and may well even be seen as a necessary concession to overcome the natural advantages the competitors otherwise near identical offering will be.
I don't get why everyone always speaks on this topic as though everything is completely black-and-white, and as those mid-generation refreshes (or even just redesigns) are at all comparable to the launch of a new generation.
I'm honestly not sure which console will be more powerful, but I do believe it when MS say they want to be the most powerful.
I just hope they know that losing the sales war wasn't just about power. It was a combination of power, price, and the backlash of the always online nonsense that allowed Sony to take this gen basically for free.
I do think that they had to have learned a lot though. Over the course of this gen they made a lot of moves to course correct and regain goodwill with people. They've had a strong push for backwards compatibility, ditched Kinect to bring the price down to a more reasonable level, introduced an amazing game pass, and are looking to solve the " no games" issue with new development teams. It took years to shake the " always online, can't share games, tv tv tv" stigma off (even though that was squashed before launch), but they are in a much better place now to come out swinging I think.
Me personally, I'll probably end up with both consoles like I do every gen, but it'll be interesting too see both companies approaches this time around.
I just hope they know that losing the sales war wasn't just about power. It was a combination of power, price, and the backlash of the always online nonsense that allowed Sony to take this gen basically for free.
I do think that they had to have learned a lot though. Over the course of this gen they made a lot of moves to course correct and regain goodwill with people. They've had a strong push for backwards compatibility, ditched Kinect to bring the price down to a more reasonable level, introduced an amazing game pass, and are looking to solve the " no games" issue with new development teams. It took years to shake the " always online, can't share games, tv tv tv" stigma off (even though that was squashed before launch), but they are in a much better place now to come out swinging I think.
Me personally, I'll probably end up with both consoles like I do every gen, but it'll be interesting too see both companies approaches this time around.
They can easily put the offer in to pay more than the competition in exchange for a better product. Doesnt mean they know any details of what Sony are doing and no confidentiality is broken. Just them paying more for a superior product
Microsoft can have an aim, that in the end turns out to be financially unfeasible.
People need to consider that as a very possible outcome.
People need to consider that as a very possible outcome.
Love all these "brand power" posts. It's like some of you were born when the PS4 released and don't remember last gen, where the consoles were basically neck and neck. Sony didn't double up on Microsoft at the beginning of this gen because of fucking brand power...lol.
It's also hilariously obtuse to use the X to prove that power doesn't matter. The thing didn't even release until the dust had already settled and people were firmly entrenched into their chosen ecosystem. If the X had been the lauch console you can bet your ass things would have been extremely different.
Anyway, believe what you will, but mulitplats sell consoles every bit as much as exclusives, or more, and having better versions of those will give either company a huge leg up.
It's also hilariously obtuse to use the X to prove that power doesn't matter. The thing didn't even release until the dust had already settled and people were firmly entrenched into their chosen ecosystem. If the X had been the lauch console you can bet your ass things would have been extremely different.
Anyway, believe what you will, but mulitplats sell consoles every bit as much as exclusives, or more, and having better versions of those will give either company a huge leg up.
Honestly I think it matters most who is most powerful out of the gate.
That's an opinion you're free to have but it means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
At the launch of a console cycle it absolutely does matter. You claiming it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things is not really true.
If the xbox and playstation launch in the same year and is more is less the same price. If the xbox is stronger, you can bet it will have an impact.
How has the Xbox x helped the Xbox overall? They're not selling more consoles or games than the competition. I
Nobody will jump ship abandoning their library..... With backwards compatible the huge majority of Ps4 owners will just upgrade. The US will be neck and neck, but rest of the world will continue Sony dominance. However Microsoft comes in a very healthy and ambitious position through their Windows and XCloud integration focusing in MAU.
they were neck and neck because the 360 launched a year earlier, $100 cheaper, had better 3rd party performance, a huge hit with kinect and Sony doing everything wrong and even then then they only managed a tie.
i'm not betting on either of these happening again.
AMD would literally have to break confidentiality, if they were to sign a contract with Microsoft saying that they will promise to build something superior to what is in Sony's contract.
How do you figure they price out the BOM for Microsoft? How do they inform but not inform Microsoft if Sony alters their specs?
This line of thinking is madness. They can't just wink wink and accidentally build them specs based off of what Sony is getting.
The original Xbox was more powerful than the PS2 so why did the PS2 sell about 125 million more consoles?
PS3 launch aligned always sold more than 360. And was a $599 machine. Says alot.
People are realizing that the hardware sales war is basically over? This gen will be all about services and subscriptions ..and I think it will be the game changer
I think the original Xbox one was a perfect storm of bad ideas - underpowered next to ps4 yet more expensive, kinect, online fiasco etc., it wasn't just any one singular thing. making the next console powerful is vital, as is having a reasonable price point which I guess is the point of lockheart.
I think this is where I might end up and it will cost well over a thousand dollars. PS + PSVR 2 for exclusives and XB2 for multiplat. Freaking hell.
It's funny how we went from BC not mattering to it deciding a whole generation before it's even started. BC is great for people like me who holds on to all their games and frequently goes back to older ones, but there are a lot of people who only play games that have yearly updates (Madden, CoD, AssCredd etc.) I don't think BC is going to be deciding anything.
Because the PS was a household name and the Xbox wasn't and it came out a year later.
A lot of people do not realize it. Local hardware is still important though, therefore it's good that MS are doubling down here.
Exactly, the guys making out brand has nothing to do with it.
That is a rather silly. Under no scenario could the Xbone X have released earlier. It is far from a miricle product. It was released a year after the Pro at a $100 more expensive. Releasing at the same time next year will be a differen proposition.
Brand power is the exact reason why in Gen 7, despite a disastrous launch and Xbox 360 coming out swinging, the PS3 was able to stay neck and neck with the system.
If you think that PlayStation's brand power isn't a key part of its success then you're living in lala land. While I obviously can't speak to how well either console will do next gen, just thought I'd chime in. You don't get where Sony is on hardware and software alone.
Nda's aren't drafted like this. The baseline is always not to disclose any knowledge or information outlined in the agreement, which most certainly prohibits any guesswork or disclosing any monetary amounts. You're basically suggesting that there's a glaring loophole and anyone could just ask what Sony is getting by starting a bidding competition on supposedly confidential knowledge.
This is very basic legal stuff and an nda only works if the situation appears as unchanged to third parties whether there is a contract it's referring to or not.
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Sony always best bc the next generation doesn't start till they say it does.
It's not just about the brand name however, although that is also a significant factor.
PS2 outsold the stronger competition largely because it had effectively won the generation before either of them even launched. PS2 wasn't the "weak machine" when it launched and broke sales records... it was the hilariously powerful machine that torpedoed the Dreamcast's momentum with mere demos and spec suggestions. If OG Xbox lost due to lack of brand strength, it would have also lost to the Gamecube due to Nintendo's established place in the market and perceived software quality.
The power narrative that put the Dreamcast to bed almost worked against the 360 as well, where the console was being derided as Xbox 1.5 for the longest time, before it became clear that all the PS3 demos were smoke and mirrors and not actually reflective of what the console was capable of. If it actually were capable of the initial hype it was building, the 360 would have been fucked upon its release, headstart or no.
I said not sure. I think Xbox is more likely to be more powerful, but all I want is an interface that isn't ungodly sluggish and good exclusives after all those aquisitions. Originally, I was just gonna get the exclusives on Windows 10, but seeing as the PS5 alone is supposedly more powerful than my PC, I might just use my Vega 56/Ryzen 1700 based PC for massively multiplayer and certain indie stuff and get the console.
Like when Cerny was quoted in Wired, that's when the next generation started.
This is my new favorite thing with this new wave of fanboy warring this new generation kicked off. You got people coming up with all sorts of scenarios in their heads about how AMD will risk getting sued into oblivion, destroy their credibility, and lose tons of business (who would want to contract with AMD when they showed they can't maintain confidentiality with sensitive information?) from other clients just to give MS or Sony a slight edge power-wise for their game console.
The rise of PC as a really serious mass market platform for AAA gaming, and Microsoft having a new respect and commitment to it makes for a considerable overlap for people who care heavily about performance and having the 'best'.
I've got a taco bell X, but use it as a Blu-ray player. Games like AC Odyssey running at 4k/30 medium are not very impressive to me, and I don't even have a bleeding edge PC. With 5.2 8086k, 32GB DDR4-4000, and a 1080ti Aorus, I can run 3440x1440 Ultrawide at 100+FPS in Gsync, and the experience is generationally superior. I still play PS exclusives on my Slim, as I don't mind a well paced 30fps game as long as the input lag isn't screwed. Seems like most 1st party is pretty good in this area, God of War, Uncharted, HZD all 'feel' smooth enough and consistent. However, many multiplats just feel terrible on PS4/X1X due to dips under 30fps, bad input lag, etc. If Sony 1st party was available on PC, I'd definitely buy it there, but have no problem with it on PS4.
By the time 9th gen consoles are out in late 2020, the RTX refresh and Navi DGPUs will be available, so the high end gamers will probably be split between those that don't care about PC and those that want as few compromises as possible. The PS5 and $400 Xbox should be safe from this idea, but the market for a $600 console may be muted, as a certain number of those people will just overlap with budgets big enough to go bigger/better.
I've got a taco bell X, but use it as a Blu-ray player. Games like AC Odyssey running at 4k/30 medium are not very impressive to me, and I don't even have a bleeding edge PC. With 5.2 8086k, 32GB DDR4-4000, and a 1080ti Aorus, I can run 3440x1440 Ultrawide at 100+FPS in Gsync, and the experience is generationally superior. I still play PS exclusives on my Slim, as I don't mind a well paced 30fps game as long as the input lag isn't screwed. Seems like most 1st party is pretty good in this area, God of War, Uncharted, HZD all 'feel' smooth enough and consistent. However, many multiplats just feel terrible on PS4/X1X due to dips under 30fps, bad input lag, etc. If Sony 1st party was available on PC, I'd definitely buy it there, but have no problem with it on PS4.
By the time 9th gen consoles are out in late 2020, the RTX refresh and Navi DGPUs will be available, so the high end gamers will probably be split between those that don't care about PC and those that want as few compromises as possible. The PS5 and $400 Xbox should be safe from this idea, but the market for a $600 console may be muted, as a certain number of those people will just overlap with budgets big enough to go bigger/better.
God, these threads really bring out the worst in people.
That's a pretty simplistic analysis. PS3 was following on the heels of the PS2 juggernaut, Xbox was just barely trying to escape the "halo player" stereotype. The fact that the 360 was neck and neck with the PS3 was quite a feat, given the circumstances.
That's a pretty simplistic analysis. PS3 was following on the heels of the PS2 juggernaut, Xbox was just barely trying to escape the "halo player" stereotype. The fact that the 360 was neck and neck with the PS3 was quite a feat, given the circumstances.
I disagree. People don't abandon their consoles. Lots of people keep the old console and the get a new console be it Xbox or PS. There are very little differences between the 2 systems. But its fair to conclude that Sony will dominate traditional consoles, whereas Microsoft will dominate in everything else. Sony historically struggles with working with other partners, something Microsoft does very well with.
I suppose the idea is that they expect Microsoft to sell at a loss to build market-share. I doubt they'd do that. Or that they get better prices than Sony, which is weird. I agree that it'll be hard to beat PS5 at the same pricepoint. They may prioritise differently, say if Xbox doesn't go with a fancy-pants storage solution they can spend more on processing. But would they? Time will tell.
If that's what the PS5 will be priced, then yes. I could see them go all the way up to 599 if Lockheart is a good enough offering. I assume the whole point of doing two SKU's is to build a halo-product. And I don't mean the video-game franchise.
I'd say 599 USD is probably the roof. With Lockheart at 399. All guesswork though.
Yeah, and those 80 million PS3 sold surely weren't at 600. People love to make it sound like Sony never changed price or models when had they not reacted, they'd have never caught up.
Time and time again, Era conveniently forgets this or are too caught up with the brand religion they follow to perceive the reality of the video game industry.
This generation changed everything for everyone. Forever.
Network Services dwarfed the revenue income of hardware and peripherals combined last fiscal year and are on a huge rise. Game libraries have become a far more deciding factor on where the masses will go compared to the "most powerful console in the world" marketing tactic.
One interesting aspect is that MS will no doubt be dual purposing these boards to put on their server racks. There's an unknown yet totally plausible scenario where MS might offset some of the consumer cost with revenue they get from their server business from these boards. Only time will tell.
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