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Inside Japan's Chicano Subculture - NYT
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This fascinates me. It reminds me of "gal", the equivalent of scene kids in Japan.
They seem to be handling things respectfully, with a unique Japanese twist on it. I don't think you would meet many US-born Mexicans who would cry foul at foriegners trying to learn their style and culture.
They seem to be handling things respectfully, with a unique Japanese twist on it. I don't think you would meet many US-born Mexicans who would cry foul at foriegners trying to learn their style and culture.
Best one in the country, probably, which I think is kinda sad.
Decades of non-white people being shamed for representing their culture, but when a white person wears it it's "cool".
But i wanna wear a sari! >:I Stop having feelings so I can post insta pics guilt free!
That's not how appropriation works.
And that reasoning, is also used be people in Japan as to why it's ok to use blackface.
It's definitely culture appropriation. It's no different than white girls from Marina Del Rey suddenly speaking in an East LA accent because they date Mexican dudes.(I have experience with these people)
Of course, my 60 year old Mexican mom is never offended by cultural appropriation, she saw the video and thought it was cool.
Of course, my 60 year old Mexican mom is never offended by cultural appropriation, she saw the video and thought it was cool.
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Here I am as a hispanic doing research on Japanese styled shoulder/sleeve tattoos as I might want to get one at some point this year and want to learn more, and in the video we see a man doing hispanic styled tattoo art. This is a little weird for me due to the timing. Now I wonder if it's a big thing for this subculture.
Throughout history white people have treated "exotic" cultures as caricatures in order to other groups of people. It's really not surprising why no one wants to see them get anywhere near them.
You guys realize that the effects of appropriation in Japan aren't observable because there isn't a sizeable Chicano population in Japan, right?
You can't be this dense. There's no one to profit off of or undermine or caricaturize or other or gaslight there, so of course it doesn't seem so severe.
There is some respectful stuff in this video though. I liked the artist that wanted to emphasize the importance of family in Chicano culture in his work. And there's nothing wrong with liking lowriders obviously.
You can't be this dense. There's no one to profit off of or undermine or caricaturize or other or gaslight there, so of course it doesn't seem so severe.
There is some respectful stuff in this video though. I liked the artist that wanted to emphasize the importance of family in Chicano culture in his work. And there's nothing wrong with liking lowriders obviously.
Why are there so many people crying "see this is not appropriation!!" When no one in the thread has said it is
White people really don't like having limitations. Being called an appropriator is a social limitation. So even white people who have 0 interest in wearing a kimono for example, are now upset by the idea that they "can't". And will say anything to downplay cultural appropriation as American SJW's gone wild in an effort to remove those limitations from the conversation.
The rockabillies are more into 50s culture and old school rock and roll.
I was in Japan for a week not long ago and I couldn't find a good hamburger to save myself there, let alone Mexican food.
I'm sure there must be somewhere in japan that serves good burgers but serves me right, I guess, for expecting a good burger from Tokyo Disneyland or from the hotel I was staying at.
Don't get me wrong. I ate the most amazing meals while in Japan. I love their cuisine so much that i hate myself for ordering two burgers (in two different days) while I was staying over there. They just don't make good burgers, in my experience. I can only imagine what I'd have to go through to find good Mexican food.
Damn, never realized it till now but you're right. She went from Indian, Chicana, and whole a slew of others on her way to fame and fortune.
I'll have to watch this later, have not come across anything like this
Though I know literally one pretty passable place in Tokyo.
Good hamburgers are not hard to find at all. All next time, sure people in the Japan thread can point you in the right direction
If people aren't claiming that a particular culture is of their own creation and they clearly show they understand it's history and origin, what's the problem? Treating it as glorified cosplay or flavor of the month dress up, sure, that's shitty.
Blackface is totally different because it's overtly racist and was intentionally negative. People in Japan are just ignorant of that fact unfortunately.
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Ugh, I know right? Mexican food here in Japan is pretty awful, for the most part.
Not surprised that a lot of this is going on in Osaka. Osaka is such an awesomely laid back city.
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There is no good Mexican food here. You can find okay places like El Borracho or Tepito, but I'd basically never go to those restaurants if they were located in Mexico City. It's a shame because there are plenty of great Japanese restaurants in Mexico City :( But then I guess it's just a result of having exponentially more Japanese people living in Mexico than the other way around.
Plenty of good places that serve awesome hamburgers. Expecting that from Disneyland was your mistake, lol.
Disneyland is awesome and I love both resorts, but hamburgers would never come to my mind when thinking about their food :P
Disney World in Orlando has the most amazing food options imaginable! I thought what better place than the American utopia that's Disneyland in Tokyo to try an American burger especially since I've had incredible meals in Orlando's park. I was wrong. The one thing I was underwhelmed about Tokyo Disneyland was the food.
I only ate at quick service restaurants so I'm sure the table service and more expensive options have to be better though.
Wanna hear something depressing? I had a guide from Tokyo who spoke English one day and somehow ended up talking about our tastes in food. Long story short he honest-to-goodness thought Taco Bell was Mexican food. Not only that, when I corrected him by telling him it couldn't be farther from the truth, he told me he knew that many, probably most Japanese people, if asked, would tell you they thought Taco Bell was authentic Mexican food.
Needless to say I was heart broken.
I'm Mexican American myself and grew up with a good amount of my family following the low rider / street culture and this shit is offensive as hell. "Chicano" culture became really wide spread during the civil rights era and theres absolutely no reason anyone outside of it should try to adopt it.
I remember the first time I visited Japan. Was dicking around in Tokyo and I found a place serving Mexican food, while I was on a night time escapade. I got interested and decided to check the place out. Then I saw hamburgers on the menu. I immediately swore off ever having Mexican food in Japan on the spot.
Speaking of Mexico City, is it wrong that I am addicted to a chain restuarant there? I go to legit places - from street carts to high end MX cuisine in hotels and everything in between, but I am completely adicted to Tacos Califas [sp?] and tbh, everything there tastes fantastic and it's just an easy place to go grab lunch or a late night snack.
Uh... this is real??? Playing through Yakuza 0 right now and I just did a side mission helping out guys looking like that.
Yankee subculture is the basis for a *lot* of Shonen tropes too. The rude-talking rough and tumble boys and men (and even some women) come from this subculture. Wouldn't have Ichigo Kurosaki or Natsu Dragneel without it.
Homie goes to L.A. and hits up all those 99c spots and flips the gear for a grip in Japan, lol. That's some Chicano shit right there.
Also Japan is the place to get Americana-style clothing in the world. Old school Levis/workwear/cowboy type. Brands like visvim (which is the most expensive but famous example). There's even a book about it: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465059732/
My question is: Is the subculture that the Japanese express a Japanese thing, or just something every country does but no one reports on? I'm sure there's chicano/cowboy/etc. subcultures in say, Europe, but do they go as far into it as the Japanese? If not, why not?
Also to continue giving examples - one of the most influential books on modern menswear was a study on classic Ivy League style by a Japanese: https://www.amazon.com/Take-Ivy-Shosuke-Ishizu/dp/1576875504 back in 1965!
Also to continue giving examples - one of the most influential books on modern menswear was a study on classic Ivy League style by a Japanese: https://www.amazon.com/Take-Ivy-Shosuke-Ishizu/dp/1576875504 back in 1965!
There's a group of mid-40s rockabillies with gelled hair and leather jackets that dance in Yoyogi park every weekend
It's bizarre
I fucking love this lmfao...
Dude's got nice hair I can respect. I should show this to my grandma.
