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inputmag: The Razer Kishi is proof that the console wars are over
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The title of that article is crazy. Having said that I do believe Microsoft's direction with Game Pass and streaming does make the console war more muted. Not having to purchase Xbox hardware to play an Xbox game is great and means the consumer will spend less on hardware in the long run. If you own an Android device or PC, you can purchase a PS5 this coming gen and have access to all of the titles from both Sony and Microsoft.
While the article is a bit sensationalist, I think you're missing the point. If games can be run on virtually any device thanks to the cloud, boxes become irrelevant (the console in console wars). Things are only going to advance from here. We'll get to a point where the difference between on premise gaming and cloud gaming will be very small.
The winner of the next leg of gaming will be the one with the best cloud infrastructure, first and third party software, OEM arrangements, packaging and presentation capabilities, and most aggressive pricing. Right now, MS has the strongest position across all of these dimensions, except software. That's why they're gobbling up studios like crazy.
Some of the language in this is, uh, colorful... but it does seem like Microsoft is getting in on the ground floor of game streaming in a big way. If it really is the next big thing, their advantage over Sony in that arena will be monstrous. They're betting on it like Sony bet on VR.
Yup, people getting upset by the title (can't blame them, but when you understand context it makes sense) didn't take the time to understand the message of the article.
Right? Really makes you realize the potential there! Exciting stuff :)
Nah, I'm young and truly can't fathom doing this. But that may be because I'm a woman. Idk.....the switch I primarily use at home handheld and maybe on flights, but I just can't do cloud gaming. Those are games that were not built for handhelds so it feels....off.
The stupid headline aside Gamepass and streaming are great moves for getting games out there. Too bad this thread is already ruined because of that ridiculous title.
The actual service will be embedded in your Smart TV like Netflix. Why is everyone so focused on mobile? Consoles won't be needed.
What makes xCloud so much better than Stadia from a technology standpoint that it "makes Stadia look like one of Google's April Fools' Day jokes"? Among all the other puzzling garbage in that shitfest of an article that managed to stick out somehow.
Stadia sucks but it's an actual working product unlike xCloud and it's more technologically impressive in terms of streaming quality and the graphical quality and performance of the games on the service compared to a 720p stream of Xbox One S games to a tiny cellphone screen. Let's see what xCloud becomes a few years down the road before we sing its praises for simply exisiting.
Stadia sucks but it's an actual working product unlike xCloud and it's more technologically impressive in terms of streaming quality and the graphical quality and performance of the games on the service compared to a 720p stream of Xbox One S games to a tiny cellphone screen. Let's see what xCloud becomes a few years down the road before we sing its praises for simply exisiting.
Yeah I would agree with that.
I think this hardware cycle may well be the last hardware cycle where physical hardware is king.
The next few years, streaming will be taking its baby steps as a mainstream replacement for consoles.
By the time Playstation 6/XS2 (or whatever) are ramping up, I think there will be a full blown transition happening where being able to play any game you want at very high end fidelity will be possible just by having even like a cheap $90 phone.
You are sensible and reasonable, on the contrary. Yeah, let me play the next fable on a 10 centimetres screen. I could understand for small, pick up and play titles...But I doubt the majority on this sites are driven to buy consoles to swim in these experiences.
I get it in a way, people like to play games on the bus, train etc. For me that just isn't something I have ever been interested in. I have a Switch that has never left its dock so I am sure as hell not going to play Halo Infinite on my phone. It's still a cool premise, but something that they can miss me with for sure.
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More like one is a cheap all you can eat buffet and the others deliver the gourmet dishes. I know where I usually eat when I go out.
I think in 5 or so years streaming games from the cloud might take off in the wide mainstream audience while the enthusiast market still buys dedicated machines for gaming.
I'm just curious if "core" audience for gaming is gonna shrink or be seen as a less tenable compared to the streaming cloud future.
I'm just curious if "core" audience for gaming is gonna shrink or be seen as a less tenable compared to the streaming cloud future.
The article is about a controller for Android which is what I'm reacting to but in regards to xCloud, it's going to be mostly advertised as gaming on the go. PS Now did the stream from your TV thing without a box and I still didn't use it nor did most people. I don't expect that to change.
The advantage is tied to content, first and foremost, and this is an area in which both Sony and Nintendo have a serious advantage. Netflix has had many, many years of head start over its competitors, but its marketshare will undoubtedly start to shrink due to the quality of the catalogues offered by the likes of Disney and HBO. Then again, it is true that MS has more resources than Sony and Nintendo combined...I don't know, honestly. It seems very premature to declare a streaming winner when the war has not even started on that front.
You do know that Xbox encompasses gaming at Microsoft. It's not just a console
This is an awful quote lol, the quote prior of this one do a way better job in explaining the situation.
But in this context, he's talking about a "console war" so... directly referring to Xbox console.
Probably not since Game Pass has a mix of big hitters and smaller games, a bit of everything on Game Pass. That paired with the idea that it'll be accessible from multiple devices is where the (quite accurate) analogy of Netflix comes from. You get gourmet+McDonald's for the subscription!
Really exciting stuff imo!
That's also a really good quote!
I just thought the comparisons he made in the last quote were pretty apt :)
Yeaaaahhhh Aaron you tell 'em how it is!
Just don't forget to tell us the price of the boxes that are definitely not competing with anything else this holiday, okay?
Just don't forget to tell us the price of the boxes that are definitely not competing with anything else this holiday, okay?
For what we know xcloud is fairly capable in terms of latency, compression and stability, and its all still relatively early days.
Meanwhile, there are good alternative solutions for streaming to suit whatever devices you are using also on other platforms such as PC, such as Geforce Now and Steam Link Anywhere, both demonstrably showing great performance and stability also - again early days too.
It's clear these options are going to be quite capable, and 5G will gradually benefit them also.
As an additional route to play the games you own on the respective platforms on different device form factors / portably, it's awesome.
For those who have been mobile only, it's a possible vector for them to explore this higher end of gaming.
For those who chose a different console platform, this can serve as cheap way to experience a different ecosystem and games.
Microsoft should do their own controller attachment. Razer stuff looks so tacky.
Also the lack of iPhone support is really going to limit the potential market for this. Not much MS can do about that right now though TBF.
Also the lack of iPhone support is really going to limit the potential market for this. Not much MS can do about that right now though TBF.
Clearly you didn't read the article. That's the entire point.
Game Pass + xCloud = end of "console" wars, because Sony/Nintendo/Xbox are all doing things differently... not because Xbox "won" the console wars...
I guess with a title like that and the typical person not bothering to read articles, I can understand why there is a lot of fanboy wars going on in this thread. Oh well.
That's only because that's the use case as of now. You need a console right now. So they're positioning it as "buy your console for the TV, utilize our service for on-the-go gaming." That's not the end point. This is just the beginning. Think 5 to 10 years from now. High fidelity gaming will be possible for $9.99 a month, playing on any device, virtually lag free.
Azure, AWS and Google Cloud have the most advanced cloud infrastructure (in the West). They're the only ones that can make this happen. Sony and Microsoft are actually teaming up. So Microsoft will not only get $ from their own service but from Sony as well. They truly will be the winner.
Having been subbed to Game Pass for a good while, I disagree. Ori and the Will of the Wisps is the only game so far that has really been worth my time in a sea of mediocrity. 99% of my gaming time is spent playing games not on Game Pass. Games I happily pay full price for. And lots of them. But then again, I'm also not one to spend much time on Netflix.
I don't really like trash talk like that but it's the games. I got Stadia last week to play Destiny. Very pleased with it on a computer monitor at 1080p though no better than xCloud on a phone. Games wise though, awful just awful.
As cringe as Greenberg is I think you have missed the forest for the trees here. But so has this article.
For me the war is over because all 3 have such different strategies that they no longer directly compete like they did in the 90s and 00s. Nintendo made a new lane in hybrid handhelds to reinvigorate their IP, Sony focuses on the console and uses the IP in service to the console and Microsoft Xbox is making services in service to their ecosystem.
Microsoft also seems to be focusing on accessing markets outside the console market. Their support of PC and expansion into getting games on mobile devices through azure shows this. I think MS understands the worldwide console market is near a ceiling so they can either invest heavily into dragging market share or try and grow their user base elsewhere
also with how collaborative the big 3 have been recently with Sony signing on to azure and MS continued support of IPs on switch like cup head and ori and minecraft across all platforms I think anyone expecting a console war is really only going to find it on twitter
I love how that closing statement from a pretty low quality article was still so clearly able to get you tugging your testicles in pure indignation.
Oh miss me with your tired console war BS. There is a quote from the article that directly states "XBOX WILL WIN" so yeah, it's a bit pathetic for a company mouthpiece to even be talking about console wars in the first place.
1. Streaming works on tablets as well, and they're working on PC/browser clients too (in addition to smartphones)
2. Video/audio is surprisingly great, even in the beta (I'm part of the beta)
3. Clearly not a joke since companies like Nvidia, Playstation and Google also see this as the future as well
It's seriously impressive stuff, even in beta form. I know it's obvious already, but I'm damn excited for the future of a Game Pass + xCloud combo.