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In the Valley of Gods (Campo Santo's next game) is officially on-hold
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nah bro there's this one other guy who says it was bad argument destroyed
for real though, if the developers are happy the only reason I can think of that people are mad is because they think they're entitled to the game; totally fine to be disappointed but trying to force some conspiracy theory that they were forced to drop everything and work on HL:A is laughable
Doesn't fit their narrative, so of course it gets brushed under the rug.
I'm not talking about targeting individuals from Campo Santo, but put more focus into looking for talent that are thinking about moving or are already seeking in positions they need to fill (they're currently seeking for positions now). When development teams are bought it's usually for the team, the IP, or something where they work together as they have been. The way it sounds with Valve, is if it was Tesla that bought Oculus and it's team just to see if Carmack would be more interested in working on one of their other projects, not really caring if the VR thing would pan out. The rest could follow Carmack if they could contribute or find some other project if the VR thing was put on hold.
Some Campo Santo trying for positions at Valve on their own could be seen as poaching I'm sure. There were rumors (Cliff tweets) that claimed Epic poached Bosskey members, but it seems they moved on their own. The two location were very close, it was likely the best choice. If Campo Santo people would have been sucked up by Valve's open positions so be it, they weren't interested enough in what they were doing with the game anyway, but the game and Campo Santo would still be there, moving along.
Same old same old, sadly. Good that they recognise there is no point engaging with this kind of stupidity
People just want their knee-jerg dig at Valve. Same old indeed.
Touché. Campo Santo might be the Untouchables of the hat economy.
*smh*
- working at a company where you can decide on which of the dozen projects you want to work on: part of the Borg
- working at an indie developer on one game that you have to work on and don't even know if you are employed the next year: FREEDOM!
There is a big difference between the writer's vision and the final gaming product. It may sound cool on paper, but it is questionable if his vision would make it into the finished product.
I don't think they were "forced" but I do think Valve's culture, shall we say, encouraged them to drop ITVOG. it's a damn shame
Yup which is why almost all of them literally hopped right off the ship that was In the Valley as they clearly didn't want to work on it anymroe.
So? I still would've loved to see them try. Now we get nothing, which is worse.
Even the people you care so much about are telling you, that you are wrong.
For all the caring you do about the ex Campo Santo team, its weird, that most of you don't seem to follow them on twitter or watch their Interviews,
where they directly talk about Valve and everything "discussed" in this thread.
this doesn't sound like an individual happy to be working on other projects to me.
Maybe that's because he isn't working on other projects with Valve, since he was a contractor and not a Campo Santo employee (information that you can find in the second tweet of that thread, but I guess it wasn't important enough to read)
the worst possible outcome, but alas, no surprise there
yeah, sadly I pretty much expected this once Valve bought Campo Santo and just hoped it wouldn't happen
You don't get nothing, you get a game in a huge franchise that has been worked on by people who developed Walking Dead Season 1, which received endless recognition for it's story-telling.
Valve is pretty much the only company you can get away with the "lazy devs" stuff here too.
I'm not surprised people are trampling over the employee's own words.
You gotta wonder why they'd work on finishing up Half-Life: Alyx instead of In the Valley of Gods if they had a choice. I've been following these guys for a long time through their podcasts, social media presence, games, etc. They're not stupid and there was probably a reason why they put it on hold and I imagine it has nothing to do with what Valve wanted them to do.
I'm arguably more excited for Alyx than anything else next year (I mean, PCVR nerd over here with multiple headsets). I also think it's fucking awesome that the Campo Santo folk get to work on whatever they want and aren't under any pressure as an indie studio anymore. They're living their best lives and this is universally a good thing.
Having said that, as happy as I am that they'd make me a proper AAA HALF FUCKING LIFE VR game in 2020, I can't be unsympathetic to fans of the studio who were looking forward to ITVOG. Hell, I had it in my list of 'games I was most excited anticipating' on Era this time last year. There are folk on the boards who don't play on PC or don't use PCVR who were looking forward to ITVOG on their platform of choice. I understand their disappointment that they don't get to play it now.
Having said that, as happy as I am that they'd make me a proper AAA HALF FUCKING LIFE VR game in 2020, I can't be unsympathetic to fans of the studio who were looking forward to ITVOG. Hell, I had it in my list of 'games I was most excited anticipating' on Era this time last year. There are folk on the boards who don't play on PC or don't use PCVR who were looking forward to ITVOG on their platform of choice. I understand their disappointment that they don't get to play it now.
I get that. What I don't get is all the people spouting easily disproven lies and acting like Campo Santo/Valve "owed" them something. This is a constant with all Valve-related threads, and it really gets tiresome when you see people acting in bad faith and that seemingly no one cares about it.
Edit: Sry, you didnt post it. But still maybe read the whole tweet thread.
See, that tweet-thread by Duncan Fyfe is interesting, because a lot of it gives a melancholy "This was freaking awesome and I wish it never ended" vibe, and it certainly reads like they feel the game is cancelled. But at the same time - genuine question here - how far through the dev process does the writer stick around for? I can't imagine it's like a film where the screenwriter can do rewrites up to the day of filming, so the writer's involvement stops short of others involvement for sure.
He was contracting. As it was a Campo Santo effort, highly unlikely he was the only writer on the project. Valve have had many contracting writers.
Hah, that's true as well. Rarely any large game (especially one from Valve) would have a single writer.
The only thing that annoys me how they call this "on-hold," when it's obvious no one wants to work on it and it's going to stay that way for a long time, pulling the original people who had any passion for it in the first place farther away over time. Like, of course that's dissapointing. I would honestly rather see more original projects, especially ones with PoC main characters, than have every good developer get absorbed into Valve's mega-projects.
Reading posts like these would make one think that Valve has been on a studio acquisition spree. In reality, they've acquired... 5? studios over twenty years (and two of these would later return to being independent when they decided it wasn't working). I'm also being super generous with the 5 studios number...
Damn the writer sounds amazing, if he can't do what he wanted in a game I hope he does a book. I be first in line
Speaking of writing contractors, Rob Yescombe was contracting as a writer at Valve and even went to work there in person (previously writer of Rime, The Invisible Hours, The Division) and said his work would be in an "upcoming product" on a podcast a while back (you'd have to sift through the video to hear more of his time there, not sure if he's still in and out), but he seems to hint at it being VR / Index related
Could be HL:A, could be ITVoG, who knows till one releases - but its consistent with having contracting writers, and its fairly commonplace many in most studios
Other than Turtle Rock I can't think of any. Who's the other one that returned to being independent?
Oh god, I didn't realize they contract writers, how do I apply 👀
i wasn't that upset about valley of the gods, but now i am after reading duncan's thread
i don't think it's trampling over the views of the employees to acknowledge that they've all got very big pay rises from the choice to abandon the old "original story adventures" vision of campo santo and all become ordinary valve employees. lots of people in here would make the same choice if offered, but it's a shame.
i don't think it's trampling over the views of the employees to acknowledge that they've all got very big pay rises from the choice to abandon the old "original story adventures" vision of campo santo and all become ordinary valve employees. lots of people in here would make the same choice if offered, but it's a shame.
https://www.mcvuk.com/star-filled-founders-part-with-valve/ (Star Filled Studios)
I was wrong though, I think (there's another article where Valve says they hired them, and didn't exactly acquire the studio).
yeah
like every hyped cancelled game ever
ya know
like
prey 2
deep down
scalebound
star wars 1313
silent hills (PT)
dead island 2