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In the Batman episode "Heart of Ice" Ferris Boyle did nothing wrong

Was Ferris Boyle justified in what he did?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 11.3%

  • No

    Votes: 57 71.3%

  • You are not sending me to the cooler

    Votes: 14 17.5%
  • Total voters
    80
Bor Gullet

Bor Gullet

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm talking about Mr. Freeze's origin story



The reason Boyle confronted Victor was because he was defrauding money from his company. Granted, Fries did that to save his wife, but everyone has to admit that Boyle was justified in trying to stop a guy from stealing money from his business.

While it's true that Boyle caused an accident that turned Victor Fries into Mr. Freeze, the reason he pushed Fries into the machine was because Victor threated him with a gun. It was pure self-defense and Boyle was justified in defending himself.

Yes he was a dick, but legally speaking the only wrong thing Boyle did was the aftermath by trying to cover up exactly what happened.
 
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PhoenixAKG

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Bor Gullet said:
I'm talking Mr. Freeze's origin story



The reason Boyle confronted Victor was because he was defrauding money from his company. Granted, Fries did that to save his wife, but everyone has to admit that Boyle was justified in trying to stop a guy from stealing money from his business.

While it's true that Boyle caused an accident that turned Victor Fries into Mr. Freeze, the reason he pushed Fries into the machine was because Victor THREATHENED HIM WITH A GUN. It was pure self-defense and Boyle was justified in defending himself.

Yes he was a dick, but legally speaking the only wrong thing Boyle did was the aftermath by trying to cover up exactly what happened.
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Boyle was going to unplug his wife and surely lead her to die.
 
skillzilla81

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Legal doesn't mean moral. He was willing to kill a woman.

Also, Fries had obviously lowered the gun and wasn't going to shoot. Boyle was a millionaire that didn't care about people, just like most millionaires.
 
DragonSJG

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Yams

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man people really suck at seeing the difference between laws and morality
 
deimosmasque

deimosmasque

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Legally he did VIRTUALLY nothing wrong.

Morally he could have told Freis to get her out of her by the end of the week or something.

Given Freis some opportunity to make sure Nora would at least die of natural causes rather than just instantly die.

The company was at least a multi million dollar affair. They could have at least down something like that. Instead he basically threatened, with intent, to murder Freis wife in front of him.

Which BTW is still illegal. It would be like telling a person who ran out of money for a coma patient "Yeah we're just going to unplug them right now, sorry not sorry."

Freis isn't a saint in the situation but Boyle played the whole situation wrong and created a supervillian in the process.
 
geomon

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Oct 25, 2017
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We're taking the sides of corporate sleaze bags now who literally tried to kill two people. This can't be a serious thread.
 
Keasar

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"Legally"
Yes.

But:
Victor stole from a millionaire, who wanted to murder his wife, and the research could have been most useful in the future to further treat others of the same disease. But you know, "muh company profits muh money".

Fuck him. Victor was in the right.
 
NealMcCauley

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Oct 27, 2017
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Maybe Arkham Origins' Cold Cold Heart had the right idea by saying Boyle was a criminal/arms dealer behind his public image, and was using Victor all along to get his cryo tech.
 
I am a Bird

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Oct 31, 2017
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Dude built a new breakthrough medical device worth billions and he was mad that he didn't approve it first so he was going to shut it down at the cost of fries wife.
 
Rag

Rag

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Oct 30, 2017
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edit: I've had a weird habit of sharing personal stories on this site that are too personal. Anyway Freeze was right.
 
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Reym

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Like, from a character standpoint, sure. From his perspective everything he's doing is fine. It makes sense that he'd do the things he does. It's not like he's viewing himself as the bad guy, he's got a way to justify what he's doing.

Consider that no one considers themselves the bad guy. Every evil person who's done every terrible thing has some way to explain it away. Some way to tell themselves "what I'm doing is fine". Just because you can find their justification, does it make what they're doing right?

And then ask yourself - even if you accept that what Fries did was wrong and was deserving of "punishment", what did Nora do?
 

karobit

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Oct 27, 2017
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every one of these threads is always someone telling on themselves about they value property or wealth more than human life
 
Hoot

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Nov 12, 2017
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OP, it seems you missed the point of the easy moral at the end of this episode of a children's show
 
ConradCervantes

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Oct 29, 2017
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Boyle was right, per se, but attempting to summarily execute the embezzler's comatose wife was probably the incorrect tact to take.
 
fontguy

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Hoot said:
OP, it seems you missed the point of the easy moral at the end of this episode of a children's show
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It's not even the end of the episode, it's the premise. The second half of the episode is Batman being all like "Look, I can't let you murder Boyle—even though he is trash and I feel awful about what he did to you."

At the end of the episode, after stopping Freeze, Boyle is literally up to his waist in a frozen block of ice, totally unable to move. So what does Batman do? He gives the video of what he did to a reporter, says "That guy over there is an asshole, here's the proof," walks up to Boyle, says "fuck you, dude," and just leaves.

Boyle being in the wrong is such a given that Batman doesn't even pretend to give a shit.
 
Merv

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Been a rash of threads trying to justify shit characters lately it seems. I know it's tongue in cheek, just a weird trend.
 
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