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In 'Surviving R. Kelly', the artist's alleged abuse and music are undeniably intertwined
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I can understand the media etc turning blind eye due to the girls being black. What I have never understood is why musical artists, producers etc etc still work with this dude. Is it simply that they turn a blind eye as all they are thinking about this the money and radio plays etc etc you get from working with R Kelly.
If there was a will I pretty sure the industry could black ball R Kelly.
If there was a will I pretty sure the industry could black ball R Kelly.
Money. The end.
I had a coworker that still loves Chris Brown too. It's insane.
It's been more than a decade since the Rihanna stuff and Chris Brown continues to get opportunities with huge artists.
Just the other day, it was confirmed Chris Brown and Drake would work on some songs together.
EhhJoyner Lucas takes a very Boogie-esque approach to R. Kelly.
So let's flip this. I this a white pop Artist who was successful do you think his career Would be shut down? Would other artists be happy to work with him?
Jay-Z is a proper snake. When the sex tape allegations all came out he cut all promotional ties with R Kelly and wouldn't work with him. Once he saw Kelly bounce back with a platinum selling album he had no problem recording and touring with the guy.
I'm just gonna put this out there: if you're looking at this situation and end up caring more for the 50-year old megastar who peed on a 13 year old on camera, had tons of child porn, has a sex cult with multiple barely legal women, and had sex with Aaliyah when she was 15, there is something wrong with you.
Is there any evidence at all that R Kelly is a suicide risk or is this just some fantasy on Lucas' part?Joyner Lucas takes a very Boogie-esque approach to R. Kelly.
It's the same bullshit """centerists""" bring up every time one of these events happens:
"P-p-please don't bully the rich man with tons of money and power!!! Yes, he did terrible things to women for decades, but how'd you feel if he died, huh??? You liberals will drive him to suicide with your decision to hold him accountable!!! Plz be nicer to him to make sure he stays alive! How could you do this to the man who gave us "Ignition Remix"????"
It's the same nonsense that popped up in the wake of revelations that propped up regarding Louis C.K., Harvey Weinstein, Matt Lauer, etc etc. There's this odd worry about someone being so fragile they'll die in the wake of being held accountable. Boogie used the same argument too, when he was being held accountable for his Gamergate stances.
If your gut reaction is to first say "Gee, I hope R. Kelly doesn't commit suicide because of these allegations", it demonstrates an extraordinary lack of empathy towards the victims. Even if R. Kelly were your hero, I'd genuinely hope that having a sex cult, routinely having sex with minors, and peeing on a 13 year old girl on camera would cause your stomach to churn and cut ties with him. To me, if all that stuff isn't revolting enough for you to condemn someone, it speaks volumes about your moral boundaries.
Saying he hopes he don't kill himself is not the same thing as giving a free pass to a serial abuser. I just don't think that's a "both sides" type thing to say.
The R Kelly case has always been so weird to me because I know people who stand up to sexual abuse, but they've always had this weird blind spot for R Kelly, loving his music and kind of giving him the Bill Clinton treatment, like, "Oh, he's just that lovable sex addict" sort of thing. I've never understood it. Like, R Kelly is the sexual predator that you laugh about but still buy his CDs and try to get tickets to his concerts.
I've never understood it. At the same time, I never understood the breadth of his accusations (the most I knew was the pee thing, which one friend of mine put it, "Well, he just peed on her... right...?"), but these are people who are really in the know about hollywood/music industry gossip who would certainly be aware of it.
I've never understood it. At the same time, I never understood the breadth of his accusations (the most I knew was the pee thing, which one friend of mine put it, "Well, he just peed on her... right...?"), but these are people who are really in the know about hollywood/music industry gossip who would certainly be aware of it.
You're right, it isn't the same thing as a free pass or a "both sides" argument. It is, however, messed up to sympathize with the multimillionaire abuser over his victims.
Yep, there's not much concern for the victims' mental health in these cases.
Yea it's insensitive and maybe poorly thought out, I just mean I'm not catching a "this dude doesn't care about victims of sexual abuse" vibe from that tweet.
That's the problem with the entertainment industry. There seems to be some kind of code of silence for those sex crimes. And even when we know about it, several people in the industry act as if nothing happened or if it wasn't a big deal.
I mean Roman Polanski druged and raped a 13 years old girl in the 70s. How perverse and sick a man can be to do such a thing. 13th years old !!! But he still managed to have a great career after that and to even win a oscar ! How on Earth this is possible is beyond me. Same with Bill Cosby as you outlined.
And for R.Kelly I remember thise stories started back in the day with Aaliyah. She was 14 when he was dating her, he was 27 years old. For the love of God !!! So not surprised at all.
There is plenty of stories of bad things going on in the music and movie industry. Corey Feldman had been talking about it for years now. So I'm happy this documentary is out. We need more noise on those horrible stories in order to prevent them to happen.
Surreal to see this. I went to Kenwood Academy , way after R Kelly and it was well known he would hang around local high schools looking forrrr...
Grew up in Hyde Park as well.
Always feels surreal when familiar stuff pops up in documentaries.
Grew up in Hyde Park as well.
Always feels surreal when familiar stuff pops up in documentaries.
To anyone in those "racist 'preferences' when it comes to dating" threads who ends up saying "its only a preference with skin color", this is what Bruce Kelly said:
Not entirely conflating the two, but that AND dating underage girls are not a "preference", its a sick delusion. And this man is sitting in prison for charges unworthy of what R. Kelly did.
Not entirely conflating the two, but that AND dating underage girls are not a "preference", its a sick delusion. And this man is sitting in prison for charges unworthy of what R. Kelly did.
For anyone who wants to watch, you can stream for free as long as you put in your cable information on mylifetime.com
I'm almost done with the first episode... and man a lot of this is pretty gross in hindsight. It does a good job with it's interviews thus far to really capture what they were thinking in the moment.
I'm almost done with the first episode... and man a lot of this is pretty gross in hindsight. It does a good job with it's interviews thus far to really capture what they were thinking in the moment.
Crazy that the only thing that's going to happen to R Kelly from this documentary is a bigger than usual royalty payment from the streaming services.
Quest has since said that he declined to be in it because he didn't want to be part of the "genius" of R.Kelly part even though he completely supporters the documentary. The creator of the documentary came back and said she never asked him to be part of any genius aspect as she doesn't even view him as a genius, she wanted him to say the things he's now saying on Twitter because she wanted black male allies to speak out against R.Kelly. John Legend is the only celebrity, male or female, that was willing to speak out against him. Does Kelly's connections run that deep that so many people are that scared of him?
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Joyner Lucas takes a very Boogie-esque approach to R. Kelly.
This dude continues to victimize and prey on young women with no repercussions (and no sign of justice on the horizon) and no repentance. Put your energy with the victims, not the dude who society would be better off without.
I actually think the whole peeing thing is obfuscating the seriousness of the case, in a similar way that a lot of people seem to put a disproportionate amount of giving-a-fuck to Trump's alleged pee-tape-thing (in light of everything else about both his private life and the actions he is directly or indirectly enabling as president of the US).
Basically, peeing on someone is essentially the perfect balance of modest-risque/kink-sex-behavior, while also being seen as personally embarrassing for anyone who "gets caught" enjoying it, that it overshadows much of the finer details of the rest of the conversation.
It's spicy enough, as far as "deviant behavior", to titillate and rile people up (however slightly) , but it's also so benign as to almost be childish in nature (which might be the main reason a lot of people seem to experience "second-hand-embarrassment" at this kind of behavior, in a similar way that most adults react to other adults who engage in Infantilization-kink-roleplay).
Admittedly, it's hard not to sound like a soft-science-loon (which I definitely was, at some point in my life, and I loved it) when trying to map out why people seem to have so inconsistent reactions to data that seem to slot into the same category, but I do think there is something to this little thread of a thought.
It's hard to properly evaluate how people - and the jury - would have treated the legal case against Kelly if his particular kink was more overtly violent (hitting, strangling, cutting parts of the body, for example), or if it was deviant in a way that's generally hard to make TV-friendly jokes about (forcing his victims to eat feces, as a very dark and depressing example, and which I feel like I almost have to apologize for even suggesting).
Basically, I don't think we generally think about presentation and "PR" in terms of criminal accusations coming to light, but there's no reason to believe that "we" wouldn't behave like "we" usually do when hearing any kind of news; be it framed as political, or entertainment.
In this particular case, it seems like there are three major factors at play, which are:
1) Kelly's cultural and societal status (which I understand was very important in the US black-communities, for a variety of reasons).
2) The seemingly institutional disinterest within much of the US to properly apply the law when the victim is non-white.
3) Key-aspects of the videotaped rape that Kelly made featuring urination, which (for pretty complex reasons) was treated as salacious enough to overshadow much of the context of the video, and wrap around to being a punchline, or even just the kind of "light ribbing" all high-profile celebrities have to be ok with.
Obviously, this is a very simplified breakdown from a (drunk) outsider's perspective, and there are probably finer details here that I can't speak to; both because I'm not a US citizen, but also (and more importantly) because I can only "sorta" intuit the complexity of thought that black US-citizens feel about various US-centric topics.
One of the women on the series said that she was told he makes a lot of money for other people. Someone else is pulling invisible strings...which is probably why he can't be stopped.
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Chance the Rapper: 'Making a Song With R. Kelly Was a Mistake' - Rapper admits he regrets 2015 collaboration "Somewhere in Paradise" in interview shown in final episode of Surviving R. Kelly
Exactly. I'm on episode 3 and I'm absolutely disgusted (not that I wasn't already before). The fact that there was so much outrage when Spotify tried removing his music from their playlists will always be baffling to me. Unreal that people are okay with listening to this monster's music still.
Watching part 5.
Omg these parents who allowed their daughters to meet up with Robert. ."Well, he was found not guilty. So from a legal standpoint maybe that stuff wasn't true. "
Also a heartbreaking scene of a mother finding her daughter at a hotel in LA after not seeing or hearing from her in years.
There's just so many messed up stories.
Edit: oh man, and then the follow up with that mother... wasn't expecting that ending. Fucking scary.
Omg these parents who allowed their daughters to meet up with Robert. ."Well, he was found not guilty. So from a legal standpoint maybe that stuff wasn't true. "
Also a heartbreaking scene of a mother finding her daughter at a hotel in LA after not seeing or hearing from her in years.
There's just so many messed up stories.
Edit: oh man, and then the follow up with that mother... wasn't expecting that ending. Fucking scary.
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Out of curiosity, do they identify who sexually abused R Kelly when he was a kid?
Both Hov and Dame dated Aaliyah. It's weird to be doing albums with your friend's sex abuser. Hov is a fool for that.
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Wasn't the song they had together about not being guilty for the crimes they committed?
They did two albums together after that called The Best of Both Worlds.
Lol while on tour the two had a spat, which culminated in Jay-Z's boy macing R.Kelly.
Hov's 30-year-old ass started dating Beyonce when she was barely legal and rumor has it he already did when she wasn't and then there is also Foxy. All these men ain't shit. The music industry is full of creeps.
Jesus, this Dominique story in part 5 is crazy. This is some Alex Cross type shit. Get this dude off the streets.
