I think it would all be dependent on whether the person in question was still saying similar things and if they issued an apology to those possibly hurt by their words.Ask yourself this. If some celebrity said something really awful in the early to mid 2010s, would it be okay to brush it off as "well that was years ago?".
And at times like this it is critically important that we first and foremost listen to those impacted by these statements, and that is certainly not me. I want those people to chime in with their thoughts and feelings.
how do you know a person has changed? cause they stopped posting it? when a person shows you who they are, time doesnt change it. people should be held accountable for shit they said. i dont care if it was 500 years ago.
of course people change. learning and growing are two different things from being a racist and then stop being racist. that is not something you "learn and grow from". that is who you are.This is so ridiculously wrong. Nobody is the same person their entire lives. People learn. People grow. People change. Their opinions change. Their outlooks change.
To say that it's impossible for anyone to change when given time and information is absurd.
Nothing to do with an apology. It's the lack of offensive content in anything he posts here. You can also see the support he gets from other marginalized groups within our community.what is the proof that he changed? cause he said so? if hitler was resurrected today and said "you know what, that was wrong, that's not me anymore" you would say "oh that was 60 years ago. he's different" lmao
I wasn't really feeling this apology but if you vouch for him then he's fine in my book. I trust you MistI can assure you that no one has expressed a lack of faith or discomfort with him. He's always taken the concerns of minorities seriously, has shown compassion and kindness to us, and has pushed to have our voices heard. I quoted you because I felt comfortable wading into the thread. I'm not going to ask or expect for anyone else to do that, though.
So in your opinion it's literally impossible for someone to stop being a bigot no matter what?of course people change. learning and growing are two different things from being a racist and then stop being racist. that is not something you "learn and grow from". that is who you are.
We living rent free in sad peoples minds.Imagine being the people that obsess over other sites and hope for their downfall.
I mean... just imagine.
And don't worry OP, if every post we've ever made was also made public many of us would likely fare no better.
I'm just a member now, but I did work with Dubs for over a year.
In my time working with him, I never knew him as anything other than compassionate and considerate. He's extremely committed to this community and its members. Nobody who didn't believe in the ideals of this forum would dedicate themselves as intensely as he does.
In problem solving he was always one of the last to talk. He's a big listener. He cares a lot about the experiences and perspectives of other people and doesn't make decisions without them. He never acted like he knew better than anyone else, something I wish I could say for myself. It made sense to me when I heard he took over the GM responsibilities here. He's the kind of guy who listens to everyone and cares what everyone has to say. It makes sense that somebody with these qualities would better and grow over time. He's also the kind of person I trust to help run a community like ours.
Our community has always had enemies since its inception. There are entire communities dedicated just to hating us and wanting us to hate each other too. This isn't the first and probably won't be the last time they try to trick us in to eating each other. I believe very firmly that we have to love each other here — we are all we have. That means trusting each other over trolls.
I trust Dubs, easily.
I wasn't really feeling this apology but if you vouch for him then he's fine in my book. I trust you Mist
the fact you jumped to the worst case scenario to defend this is hilarious. if we hold people accountable for shit they said, ppl will make fake posts to frame them. lmao.
that's why you change your username every few years folksImagine being the people that obsess over other sites and hope for their downfall.
I mean... just imagine.
And don't worry OP, if every post we've ever made was also made public many of us would likely fare no better.
This. I totally understand being skeptical or pessimistic about someone saying they have changed, but to claim that it's impossible for someone to change is ridiculous.People change. Anyone that says different has very little real life experience. That doesn't mean everyone changes, nothing is absolute. But to act like people can't change their views is ignorant and depressing.
Was about to say. Watchin folks gettin dragged around on a leash in here.
you all are a lost cause man lmao. the next time someone says some trifling shit i will be sure to remind you all that "hey they can grow and change"
Only the highest praise from Slayven.I wouldn't cosign a loan, help him move, or loan him 20 dollars but other than those thingsI got B-Dubs back
according to the logic in this thread, time heals all. so no need to ban anyone for these type of offensives because in a few years there's the chance they'll changeI wouldn't assume someone changed just because. But if they have shown me nothing but the opposite over the 2 years that I've known them, then it's a different matter. I would not be exaggerating if I said he's one of the people who goes hardest on racism, transphobia and all kinds of bigotry, for example. And gives the minority staff from those backgrounds full reign and support to do the same. He's frankly, extremely ashamed of those posts.
I understand that that doesn't mean that you have to forgive him. That's something everyone has to decide on their own. I'm just giving context for my own feelings on the matter. If I had any doubts, I wouldn't be here right now.
I wouldn't cosign a loan, help him move, or loan him 20 dollars but other than those thingsI got B-Dubs back
Okay this will decide if I trust B-Dubs or not. Loaning someone a comic book is the ultimate sign of trust.
N-no? You can believe that people can change while still banning them as there should be no room in the community for those that currently hold bigoted views.according to the logic in this thread, time heals all. so no need to ban anyone for these type of offensives because in a few years there's the chance they'll change
Maybe I'm conflating things, but racists aren't inhuman creatures who are corrupt to their very soul, and it's dangerous to treat them as they are. It's the sort of image that's often used to deny racism, by raising the standard of what constitutes a racist to something that no human can ever reached.of course people change. learning and growing are two different things from being a racist and then stop being racist. that is not something you "learn and grow from". that is who you are.
Because we are judged on what we post to this forum, not content from off site?
Literally no one is saying that. You are just making stuff up now.according to the logic in this thread, time heals all. so no need to ban anyone for these type of offensives because in a few years there's the chance they'll change
I made an edgy joke a few days ago and was banned for 3 days.
He is taking your bad logic to the Nth degree to show how absurd it is.Literally no one is saying that. You are just making stuff up now.
it's not bogus. if you were a racist 7 years ago, you are a racist today. that you think people change from those things is laughable
how do you know a person has changed? cause they stopped posting it? when a person shows you who they are, time doesnt change it. people should be held accountable for shit they said. i dont care if it was 500 years ago.
what is the proof that he changed? cause he said so? if hitler was resurrected today and said "you know what, that was wrong, that's not me anymore" you would say "oh that was 60 years ago. he's different" lmao
The only absurd thing here to think someone should be punished for comments they made years ago on another site. Especially when they are clearly no longer that kind of person and has grown as a person. You can't just go around retroactively punishing people for every bad thing they have ever said in the past. If he said this stuff last week or last month on Era and has no regrets about the comments then yeah sure he should step down and be held accountable. But that's not the case. These are old comments on an entirely different site and he has obviously changed since then.He is taking your bad logic to the Nth degree to show how absurd it is.
so what's the parameters for change? why cant that person say "oh that was the old me 30 seconds ago. i dont feel like that anymore"?N-no? You can believe that people can change while still banning them as there should be no room in the community for those that currently hold bigoted views.
yes, you seem to be conflating things. because im not sure what way youre trying to paint racism lmao. if youre racist, youre trash. not inhuman. you are very human. just a garbage one. telling ppl that if someone is racist they will remain that is in no way a denial of racism. the idea that someone can disarm hate from another is the kind of idiocy people use to say things like "we just need to hold a dialogue with them"Maybe I'm conflating things, but racists aren't inhuman creatures who are corrupt to their very soul, and it's dangerous to treat them as they are. It's the sort of image that's often used to deny racism, by raising the standard of what constitutes a racist to something that no human can ever reached.
so you can acknowledge and understand that racism is an ideology and not one that simply goes away lolSome of these have been toppled already and it's still not gone. We have to recognize how it exists in our own lives and continually break it down.
what an...interesting example you tried to use there lmao. you are taught racism yes. but if you suddenly hate women because you had a bad experience you were never a feminist to begin with? your example doesnt work in the reverse of what im talking about. that's like you saying somebody who 7 years ago said they love all races cant become racist lmao.you guys just keep diggingNo one's born racist either, you have to become racist. And what if someone starts off cool, but then goes through a nasty breakup or whatever and starts posting about how all women are horrid and manipulative and go full black/red pill. Do you bring up a feminist post from 7 years ago and say, "these sexists posts don't reflect on their true character, people don't change, if you were feminist 7 years ago, you're feminist today!"
feel like that's more corny than edgyI once ironicaly said "thanks obama" in a Blizzard layoff thread and was banned for a month.
It was very much deserved, and have since evolved to have empathy for news stories about layoffs in this shit industry.
Because we as humans are capable of processing information and determining whether to believe what someone tells us or not.so what's the parameters for change? why cant that person say "oh that was the old me 30 seconds ago. i dont feel like that anymore"?
I've been moderating here for about 6 months as well, and can honestly say that B-Dubs is a fantastic person. As some of the others have stated, he is a good listener and fights bigots. I can also say as a genderfluid mod, my opinion has been respected.
I'd also totally loan him a comic. Even one of my hard to find ones.
so you can acknowledge and understand that racism is an ideology and not one that simply goes away lol
If B dubs was Hitler you might have a point, but context matters.cause he said so? if hitler was resurrected today and said "you know what, that was wrong, that's not me anymore" you would say "oh that was 60 years ago. he's different" lmao
NO. BAD VOLIMAR.That's what I like about you Amber, you're far too trusting. Btw, I need some money for the bus....like $200. It's a big bus.