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THAT'S RIGHT, IT'S ADAM FUCKING WEST!
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Alan Moore Gives Rare Interview: ‘Watchmen’ Creator Talks New Project ‘The Show’, How Superhero Movies Have “Blighted Culture” & Why He Wants Nothing To Do With Comics

'Watchmen' creators talks new project ‘The Show’, and explains why he wants “nothing to do with comics”.


I think the best version of Batman was Adam West


It's a lengthy interview, but that is the only part that matters.
 

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Most people equate comics with superhero movies now. That adds another layer of difficulty for me. I haven't seen a superhero movie since the first Tim Burton Batman film. They have blighted cinema, and also blighted culture to a degree. Several years ago I said I thought it was a really worrying sign, that hundreds of thousands of adults were queuing up to see characters that were created 50 years ago to entertain 12-year-old boys. That seemed to speak to some kind of longing to escape from the complexities of the modern world, and go back to a nostalgic, remembered childhood. That seemed dangerous, it was infantilizing the population.

This may be entirely coincidence but in 2016 when the American people elected a National Socialist satsuma and the UK voted to leave the European Union, six of the top 12 highest grossing films were superhero movies. Not to say that one causes the other but I think they're both symptoms of the same thing – a denial of reality and an urge for simplistic and sensational solutions.
 

Christian

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I don't understand why people ask Alan Moore about comics. Like, I do, it gives them something juicy for clicks. But the guy's made it obvious he hates comics. So why keep asking him?
 

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Most people equate comics with superhero movies now. That adds another layer of difficulty for me. I haven't seen a superhero movie since the first Tim Burton Batman film. They have blighted cinema, and also blighted culture to a degree. Several years ago I said I thought it was a really worrying sign, that hundreds of thousands of adults were queuing up to see characters that were created 50 years ago to entertain 12-year-old boys. That seemed to speak to some kind of longing to escape from the complexities of the modern world, and go back to a nostalgic, remembered childhood. That seemed dangerous, it was infantilizing the population.

DEADLINE: Do you watch no superhero movies at all? What about something a bit offbeat, like Joker? You wrote a key Batman comic book…

MOORE:
Oh christ no I don't watch any of them. All of these characters have been stolen from their original creators, all of them. They have a long line of ghosts standing behind them. In the case of Marvel films, Jack Kirby [the Marvel artist and writer]. I have no interest in superheroes, they were a thing that was invented in the late 1930s for children, and they are perfectly good as children's entertainment. But if you try to make them for the adult world then I think it becomes kind of grotesque.

I've been told the Joker film wouldn't exist without my Joker story (1988's Batman: The Killing Joke), but three months after I'd written that I was disowning it, it was far too violent – it was Batman for christ's sake, it's a guy dressed as a bat. Increasingly I think the best version of Batman was Adam West, which didn't take it at all seriously. We have a kind of superhero character in The Show but if we get the chance to develop them more then people will be able to see all of the characters have quite unusual aspects to them.

So no, he can't actually make a fair claim, ha.
 

HStallion

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MOORE: said:
I'm not so interested in comics anymore, I don't want anything to do with them.

I had been doing comics for 40-something years when I finally retired. When I entered the comics industry, the big attraction was that this was a medium that was vulgar, it had been created to entertain working class people, particularly children. The way that the industry has changed, it's 'graphic novels' now, it's entirely priced for an audience of middle class people. I have nothing against middle class people but it wasn't meant to be a medium for middle aged hobbyists. It was meant to be a medium for people who haven't got much money.

Most people equate comics with superhero movies now. That adds another layer of difficulty for me. I haven't seen a superhero movie since the first Tim Burton Batman film. They have blighted cinema, and also blighted culture to a degree. Several years ago I said I thought it was a really worrying sign, that hundreds of thousands of adults were queuing up to see characters that were created 50 years ago to entertain 12-year-old boys. That seemed to speak to some kind of longing to escape from the complexities of the modern world, and go back to a nostalgic, remembered childhood. That seemed dangerous, it was infantilizing the population.

This may be entirely coincidence but in 2016 when the American people elected a National Socialist satsuma and the UK voted to leave the European Union, six of the top 12 highest grossing films were superhero movies. Not to say that one causes the other but I think they're both symptoms of the same thing – a denial of reality and an urge for simplistic and sensational solutions.


The interviewer didn't wait long for asking Moore about comic books and knew exactly what he was gonna get.
 

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A reminder that Alan Moore is a bit unhinged about comics lately, and has a bit of a revisionist history with his role of the maturing of comics.

But he is also not necessarily wrong.
 

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Man, Alan Moore has been doing some serious shittalking about comic book movies for some time now, but somehow it didn't get the same amount of hate that Martin Scorsese got for much less.
 

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I don't understand why people ask Alan Moore about comics. Like, I do, it gives them something juicy for clicks. But the guy's made it obvious he hates comics. So why keep asking him?

I might not agree with Moore's point of view, but I still think he has interesting things to say about comics (and comic films). He has a unique perspective. I enjoyed this interview.
 

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Man, Alan Moore has been doing some serious shittalking about comic book movies for some time now, but somehow it didn't get the same amount of hate that Martin Scorsese got for much less.
People learned to tune out Moore's shit some time around the point where he wrote a porn comic about the underage protagonists of late 19th century fantasy literature. Or that one where Harry Potter was a power mad school shooter who had to be put down by Mary Poppins.
 

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congratulations, you don't like the most popular movies (some of which are very important pieces of art). i doubt he even knows marvel from dc.
 

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Alan Moore is incredibly smart but he sounds like he would be insufferable to be around.

He's right about Adam West-he was a legend.
 

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Most people equate comics with superhero movies now. That adds another layer of difficulty for me. I haven't seen a superhero movie since the first Tim Burton Batman film. They have blighted cinema, and also blighted culture to a degree

"I haven't seen any in the past 30 years, but I'm sure they're destroying society"
 

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"I haven't seen any in the past 30 years, but I'm sure they're destroying society"

This is exactly why his opinions are the opposite of interesting. They're born from pettiness, not from substance. He's a smart guy, he's eloquent, he makes a convincing argument, until you realize that his argument isn't based on anything but his spite for how he was personally treated.
 

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Man, Alan Moore has been doing some serious shittalking about comic book movies for some time now, but somehow it didn't get the same amount of hate that Martin Scorsese got for much less.
Maybe because Alan Moore is a God in the comic book medium and can say whatever he wants at this point lol.
 

Dalek

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All of these characters have been stolen from their original creators, all of them. They have a long line of ghosts standing behind them

*Wrote Charlton characters into Watchmen*
 

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There's something special about the fact that my grandmother, father, me, and my child can all enjoy something like Avengers or Spider-man or Batman.

Comics are just the myths of modern day, and his insistence they were created for children isn't entirely correct. The rise of comic book popularity can almost be credited to the many adult soldiers who could enjoy them during World War II.
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While radio dramas of heroes from The Lone Ranger to the Shadow were popularized as family entertainment.
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Anyway, Alan Moore says a lot of things.
 
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People learned to tune out Moore's shit some time around the point where he wrote a porn comic about the underage protagonists of late 19th century fantasy literature. Or that one where Harry Potter was a power mad school shooter who had to be put down by Mary Poppins.

Wait what? I know about The Lost Girls but what's that about?
 

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Working on that also.
While I do think his opinion is invalid because he hasn't seen a comic book movie in a long time I can't disagree with it. There really are to many adults today that take large complicated problems and minimize them to fit a narrative about reality. That's how our current problems with conspiracy theories and white nationalist movements got started. He might not have any evidence to back up his claim but imo he isn't wrong.