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In hindsight, was Biden the right candidate to handle this election chaos with Trump
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Yes. Whenever Trump and Pence call Biden and Harris radical leftists and socialists, I cannot help but laugh. No one other than loyal Trump voters would actually believe that line of attack. Their attempts to scream "Blue team bad!!" just have no power behind it.
Spot on, but it's pathetic and sad.
Trump's "You just lost the left, you just lost the left, he just lost the left, you just lost the left," during the debate was just so pathetic.
Every major primary candidate would be well ahead of Trump but I don't think any of them would be as far ahead as Biden is and I doubt some of the Senate races, particularly Iowa and South Carolina, would be going quite as well with other candidates at the top of the national ticket.
I love bernie and his ideas, but in this type of utter chaos, that's not what the US needs. Needs unity, and bernie would have created too much of a culture clash. And Trump would have loved facing bernie. His bullshit talking points that Biden is a radical left wing nut would have stuck a little more to bernie.
I don't feel like that tracks. Yes there's massive hatred for Trump, but what soared Biden past the others was genuine enthusiasm. There's no getting around that. I don't feel like that's faded. I'd say adding Kamala to the ticket, and taking on more progressive policy has kept that momentum going.
The hell? People STILL on that Tara Reade nonsense that's been discredited by ACTUAL respected journalists and not some slag like The Intercept? Unless you're talking about Trump then fuck off with this.
I thought that was discredited due to her tendency to lie (If I'm wrong, someone please correct me).
Literally everyone else has dropped this talking point, because the facts literally do not line up with her account of events. Literally every journalist to investigate the claims found them to be literally false.
It's literally a non-issue, and you're literally a pawn in a far-right misinformation campaign if you're literally still spreading it.
1. Return to Normalcy - voters love that shit. They loved it in 1920, they love it in 2020. Whether that's a good thing or not doesn't matter.
2. Nothing is sticking. Nothing.
3. Knows that when the other side is digging a hole, you let them keep going.
2. Nothing is sticking. Nothing.
3. Knows that when the other side is digging a hole, you let them keep going.
It's more than just dealing with Trump in a debate setting, it's how well they work for the whole ticket. Montana for instance, Bullock, the only Dem with a chance to win that Senate seat, was only convinced to run because Biden is the nominee. Places like Kansas wouldn't have their Senate seat in the conversation if Pete was the nominee.
Biden voted for the Iraq War, too, which none of the other candidates in the Democratic primary did. That war cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. He shares in the blame for that.
Frankly it shows how low our standards have fallen, he's the epitome of "better things aren't possible". Unless the American electorate stops being so goddamned reactionary, or we actually fragment as a nation, we'll probably keep getting this caliber of presidential candidates.
Yeah he's a clean old white man who is pretty moderate. You can tell the Trump campaign was DYING to go against Bernie with all their Radical Socialist Left attacks. So much so that they essentially grafted those attacks onto Biden with little effect. Imo Biden would have been a worse candidate against Trump in 2016 since he was a career politician going against Trumps outsider-ness. Now that Trump has been fucking up for 4 years Bidens steady hand seems like a great fit.
I think Bernie was the only one capable to tackle all the insane bullshit thats happening and come up with real solutions, but Biden might actually have been the only one able to get a wide enough base of support to make it happen.
We'll see tho. The whole "lets turn texas blue" stuff...exact same thing happened with Hillary. And it stayed red.
We'll see tho. The whole "lets turn texas blue" stuff...exact same thing happened with Hillary. And it stayed red.
If he had caught on, I feel like Beto might have posed a similar foil to Trump.
But this is a great moment for Joseph and I'm happy that it was him.
But this is a great moment for Joseph and I'm happy that it was him.
I don't think Biden would have beaten Clinton in the primary since I think the voters in the party had largely settled on Clinton long before, but I do think he would have mopped Trump in the general if he'd made it through.
The 2016 primary would have been interesting (moreso than it already was I think) because Biden and Clinton would have been playing at the same voters, so Sanders might have ended up winning the primary in that timeline?
A couple of more points in Biden's direction and we are in MOE territory..in Montana of all places.
You can sense that the Trump team really thought that Bernie was gonna win the nomination, and planned their entire strategy around that. And once Biden got it, they had nothing to attack him with, and still can't seem to find anything that sticks.
The party elite were settled on her in 2008, and she got beat. Just because some powerful members of the party want something doesn't mean it will happen. Biden probably would have won in 2016.
I don't agree that he's the best or right candidate to handle it - but it doesn't actually matter, because he is the candidate and hopefully everyone reasonable will help him handle it and win.
Biden has such a large lead and Trump is fucking up so much you could make an argument Bernie or Warren could still win but Biden gives you the best chance at the presidency and the best chance at the Senate. Winning the Senate is such a big deal so it's best that Biden was the choice.
say it with me: the people who vote in a primary are not the same people who vote in a general.
Additionally, Bernie has a very different set of voters than Biden's - for example, Latinos, anti-establishment, single-issue 2A voters, etc. Go into a rural community and check their temperature on Bernie, you'd be surprised at how they'd go either way between him or Trump.
And this ignores the basic fact that Bernie voters overwhelmingly became Biden voters and I imagine the opposite would happen if the situation was flipped the other way.
Just stop with this awful take, the premise is so removed from reality that it can't be read as anything other than antagonistic.
This is the country that violently toppled legitimately elected leaders that flirted with leftist politics and replaced them with right wing dictators. I'll be a leftist/pro-Bernie/etc. for the rest of my life but the US is a fiscally conservative country - it'll always be a long shot.
I feel any candidate would done well against Trump. He is self destructing. I wish it was Bernie tho.
Only Biden and Bernie were in Congress at the time and could vote on it. Framing it that way is misleading.
Generally true, but just had to say "disappointed" is almost selling short for how a lot of us view it.
My one and only take in regards to this election is below:
Trump v Biden in the first 2020 presidential debate: our panelists' verdict
Donald Trump set the tone for a brawl that offered a bleak picture of American democracy
www.theguardian.com
Can only speak for myself, but I ain't treating a Biden admin like I did Obama's. No brownie points for crumbs argued for and doled out. No brownie points for barely lifting that dagger out of our backs. No brownie points for merely talking about systemic damages, and doing barely any work to even educate much less address. The time for all that shit has long since sailed.
Our planet is on fire, inequality worse than it has ever been, pandemics about and only set to rise in coming years, the next financial meltdown guaranteed imminent, etc. Those with greater power should be judged relative to their power (aka judged a hell of a lot more harshly than they are).
Thread locked because the election's not over yet, so let's not tempt fate.
(Feel free to report after the election to resume discussion)
(Feel free to report after the election to resume discussion)
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