Well, I'm tapping out. My brain is pretty much on overload.
Wishes for those who will sit through it.
Wishes for those who will sit through it.
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Impeachment |OT|
- Thread starter Kaitos
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I'm late to the party, but what would it realistically take to have a majority vote? Is it even possible?
Dems are playing for posterity. The GOP are criminally complicit in many of the crimes and coverup of said crimes involving the Trump organization from even pre-election.
Most of us knew what the score would be once it got to the Senate. The Repubs aren't just fighting for Trump, they're fighting for themselves, not only in a "I need to get reelected by the Trump cult" way, but many also in a "my ass is going to a federal or state prison and name/career destroyed" kind of way. So it's to their advantage that minimal evidence sees the light before election 2020. Even if witnesses allowed, the final vote is sadly but expectedly guaranteed.
But it's more important that the Dems continue hounding the facts and shaming the GOP. This is for the history books, and not in that sappy bullshit way but literally law will need to be rewritten after these events.
This is for future congresspeople and lawyers and judges to disseminate, and hopefully not too much future but literally next year future after the Dems win the trifecta and make headways in state governments. Because a part of me is optimistic that in this information war, impeachment is the greatest tool the Dems have. Not only do they control the narrative in the House, but they've absolutely shone a light and will continue shining a light on the absolute filth that is the GOP.
And after the coverup concludes, the House can continue releasing their evidence. Hold some hearings with Parnas and Rick Gates. McGahn too after the courts clear that up. And of course after the cases involving his tax returns is resolved and we criss-cross that with what we know from emoluments cases and Mueller grand jury material, then even more evidence of crimes can be released months before the election. Stack it on and make every white lily suburb in USA choke on it.
Most of us knew what the score would be once it got to the Senate. The Repubs aren't just fighting for Trump, they're fighting for themselves, not only in a "I need to get reelected by the Trump cult" way, but many also in a "my ass is going to a federal or state prison and name/career destroyed" kind of way. So it's to their advantage that minimal evidence sees the light before election 2020. Even if witnesses allowed, the final vote is sadly but expectedly guaranteed.
But it's more important that the Dems continue hounding the facts and shaming the GOP. This is for the history books, and not in that sappy bullshit way but literally law will need to be rewritten after these events.
This is for future congresspeople and lawyers and judges to disseminate, and hopefully not too much future but literally next year future after the Dems win the trifecta and make headways in state governments. Because a part of me is optimistic that in this information war, impeachment is the greatest tool the Dems have. Not only do they control the narrative in the House, but they've absolutely shone a light and will continue shining a light on the absolute filth that is the GOP.
And after the coverup concludes, the House can continue releasing their evidence. Hold some hearings with Parnas and Rick Gates. McGahn too after the courts clear that up. And of course after the cases involving his tax returns is resolved and we criss-cross that with what we know from emoluments cases and Mueller grand jury material, then even more evidence of crimes can be released months before the election. Stack it on and make every white lily suburb in USA choke on it.
Donald Trump publicly announcing he's switching to Democrat.
If they loose the presidency and the Senate then they will be kicking themselves big time. But the Senate is a long shot.
uhh wtf
It appears Republican Senator Marcia Blackburn was just caught doing a live interview on Fox News instead of sitting in the Senate chamber.
Kicking themselves how? Dems struggle to pass anything with power, and then let the GOP whine and cry about being unfair and "reaching across the aisle." While taking 3 years to pass the ACA, only to habe the GOP shit on it the second they got power back.
The cycle has been going since '84 at the latest. Just since November the GOP whined about private hearings, turned public, being too slow. And now theyre trying to make everything fast and private while obstructing justice.
Maybe 4 Republican Senators will do this and get thrown in jail where they can't vote.
Jesus. Props to the Dem Senators for sticking it out and putting down for the record how the GOP feels about a fair trial, absolute troopers they are.
Cause I tapped out a while ago hah
I love hearing that POS Alexander yell yes before its asked and that gop floor manager smile. Such a joke
Got the winning lottery numbers? :p
god, this is so depressing. :(
You're giving them way too much credit. The Republican Senators know what happened but decided party over country thus far.
Right, but iirc people who watched the House impeachment closely are those who've already made up their minds. Those who haven't didn't care. I doubt the actual Senate trial will be different... there aren't even any interesting witnesses so far (House at least had that).
I guess I can see that. Sad state of affairs though :(.
The Republican Senators that complain about Trump have always been all talk and no action thus far. I really see no reason for it to be different. Every line he's crossed, they've kept silent, so I sadly don't think anything's going to change now. I don't think they'll be damaged at all given the rest of the Republican party is already for calling no witnesses. At best I'm expecting a couple crossovers, but enough to be short (thus the defections get to look good, but they ultimately get what they want).
While true that people only know soundbites, in this day and age people choose the soundbite they care to listen to. I said this earlier, but with the house trials, undecideds didn't care to watch. The rest had already made up their mind. If that's still the same, it'll sadly make no difference at all....
I thought this was done hours ago. What's happening with Bolton?
The overnight janitorial crew are just gonna hose down the entire senate chamber with febreeze.
They are discussing a motion to allow Bolton to testify. It's going to be tabled 53-47
Ah ok. Gets them on record voting against something more specific, I guess
This is so far removed from a real legal proceeding that it would be like disbarring someone for being a part of a community theater troupe. They're up there just saying shit between Senators voting on rules.
