Well, I'm tapping out. My brain is pretty much on overload.
Wishes for those who will sit through it.
Wishes for those who will sit through it.
We're tired of the argument that impeachment is useless because the senate will acquit. Acquittal of@realDonaldTrump in 2020 by Moscow Mitch et al. may happen, but will have the same credibility as an all white jury acquitting a Mississippi Klansman in 1965. Voters know that.
I'm late to the party, but what would it realistically take to have a majority vote? Is it even possible?
Dems are playing for posterity. The GOP are criminally complicit in many of the crimes and coverup of said crimes involving the Trump organization from even pre-election.
Most of us knew what the score would be once it got to the Senate. The Repubs aren't just fighting for Trump, they're fighting for themselves, not only in a "I need to get reelected by the Trump cult" way, but many also in a "my ass is going to a federal or state prison and name/career destroyed" kind of way. So it's to their advantage that minimal evidence sees the light before election 2020. Even if witnesses allowed, the final vote is sadly but expectedly guaranteed.
But it's more important that the Dems continue hounding the facts and shaming the GOP. This is for the history books, and not in that sappy bullshit way but literally law will need to be rewritten after these events.
This is for future congresspeople and lawyers and judges to disseminate, and hopefully not too much future but literally next year future after the Dems win the trifecta and make headways in state governments. Because a part of me is optimistic that in this information war, impeachment is the greatest tool the Dems have. Not only do they control the narrative in the House, but they've absolutely shone a light and will continue shining a light on the absolute filth that is the GOP.
And after the coverup concludes, the House can continue releasing their evidence. Hold some hearings with Parnas and Rick Gates. McGahn too after the courts clear that up. And of course after the cases involving his tax returns is resolved and we criss-cross that with what we know from emoluments cases and Mueller grand jury material, then even more evidence of crimes can be released months before the election. Stack it on and make every white lily suburb in USA choke on it.
These Republicans are really betting on November.
I really hope this somehow bites them in the ass
It's no Pricasso but pretty good
It appears Republican Senator Marcia Blackburn was just caught doing a live interview on Fox News instead of sitting in the Senate chamber.
NoI'm late to the party, but what would it realistically take to have a majority vote? Is it even possible?
Kicking themselves how? Dems struggle to pass anything with power, and then let the GOP whine and cry about being unfair and "reaching across the aisle." While taking 3 years to pass the ACA, only to habe the GOP shit on it the second they got power back.If they loose the presidency and the Senate then they will be kicking themselves big time. But the Senate is a long shot.
Jesus. Props to the Dem Senators for sticking it out and putting down for the record how the GOP feels about a fair trial, absolute troopers they are.
Got the winning lottery numbers? :p
You're giving them way too much credit. The Republican Senators know what happened but decided party over country thus far.I'm convinced a lot of these Senators are in the Fox News bubble and literally haven't heard any facts until today.
Right, but iirc people who watched the House impeachment closely are those who've already made up their minds. Those who haven't didn't care. I doubt the actual Senate trial will be different... there aren't even any interesting witnesses so far (House at least had that).They're pretending to follow the same rules as for Clinton's trial, during which they voted later to call witnesses. Collins already said today that although she's voting against the amendments, she's likely to vote to call witnesses. I don't trust them but it could actually happen, the question is how many are they.
Dems are doing their job, they're explaining why they wanted to subpoena the documents and witnesses they asked for. They want to show the public that the trial is unfair.
I guess I can see that. Sad state of affairs though :(.I think people are just taking whatever pleasure they can out of this situation in which case it's kind of nice seeing McConnell get marginally annoyed.
The Republican Senators that complain about Trump have always been all talk and no action thus far. I really see no reason for it to be different. Every line he's crossed, they've kept silent, so I sadly don't think anything's going to change now. I don't think they'll be damaged at all given the rest of the Republican party is already for calling no witnesses. At best I'm expecting a couple crossovers, but enough to be short (thus the defections get to look good, but they ultimately get what they want).Not sure if optimistic is how I would describe myself, but I think the arguments in favor of evidence/witnesses is good enough that we will get there with the 4 GOP senators we need. Could be wrong though, but those senators are severely damaged politically if they get on the wrong side of history here on that issue...
While true that people only know soundbites, in this day and age people choose the soundbite they care to listen to. I said this earlier, but with the house trials, undecideds didn't care to watch. The rest had already made up their mind. If that's still the same, it'll sadly make no difference at all....This is the thing:
Alot of people don't know beyond a basic soundbite. Thankfully, the soundbite was "Fucking Mobster-in-Chief extorted Ukraine to help him in the next election", because mostly, the soundbite have been warped or presoftened by the crowd that protects and cultivates said mobster-in-chief.
Information wars are a thing we must all come to understand.
I thought this was done hours ago. What's happening with Bolton?
How are these old men holding their bladders in between talking points? These guys usually have prostates the size of an orange.
They are discussing a motion to allow Bolton to testify. It's going to be tabled 53-47I thought this was done hours ago. What's happening with Bolton?
I thought this was done hours ago. What's happening with Bolton?
The most radioactive amendment of the day in the Senate trial comes at the witching hour. This is an amdt by Schumer to subpoena Bolton. Authorizes Senate Sgt-at-Arms Michael Stenger to serve subpoena for Bolton
Ah ok. Gets them on record voting against something more specific, I guessThey are discussing a motion to allow Bolton to testify. It's going to be tabled 53-47
I've admed this multiple times with no response, can this Szeculo can be debarred