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Imagine Roe v. Wade being overturned during BIDENS administration and not Trumps
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I don't think people are that dumb, but who knows.
Pretty much.
MAGA: YEAAAH Trump killed abortion! Take that you slutty libtards! No more baby killing for yooooou! We saved the children!
Ignorant people like OP (and the media): ... So Biden caused Roe vs Wade to die?
Most of the people that post in politics threads (but not in PoliEra) would fail a High School civics final, and I don't think mods really care to enforce anything resembling an actual bare minimum of knowledge and perspective before posting.
There's definitely people dumb enough to blame Biden and dems for this, but those are going to be the people that pretty much always just say dumb both-sidesing or Republican shit.
I mean, sure, there's gonna be some dumb opeds, but it's not like anyone remotely serious would blame Biden for it. SCOTUS decisions are the justices', not the sitting President.
Nor would they "blame" Trump, why would they? It's not a mistake for the Republicans to overturn Roe v. Wade, it's been a rallying cry of theirs for literally decades.
I don't think it makes sense to blame an elected official for successfully achieving a political goal of theirs.
The blame is with all the people who claim to value abortion rights but never took the courts seriously, nor did anything to protect those rights when they had the power to do so.
Nor would they "blame" Trump, why would they? It's not a mistake for the Republicans to overturn Roe v. Wade, it's been a rallying cry of theirs for literally decades.
I don't think it makes sense to blame an elected official for successfully achieving a political goal of theirs.
The blame is with all the people who claim to value abortion rights but never took the courts seriously, nor did anything to protect those rights when they had the power to do so.
If they even had the class. I remember I didn't have anything like that in middle school. I'm amazed I didn't end up a brain damaged MAGA Kool-Aid chugger. I guess I have my very liberal parents to thank for that.
At some point one of these are going to lead to Civil War. You can only take so many rights away from people before they goes off the edge of anger and start getting their own guns and coming out...
She was probably following the notion that justices retiring shouldn't have political strategy as the basis behind it. Which you know will 100% be the case when it comes the appropriate time for a conservative judge.
Does anyone view landmark Supreme Court cases through the lens of who the president was at the time?
Do you think the average American can tell you who the president was during Brown vs BOE, Dred Scott v Sanford, or even Roe without looking it up?
Do you think the average American can tell you who the president was during Brown vs BOE, Dred Scott v Sanford, or even Roe without looking it up?
In talking to people I don't think most people even know how long Biden has been president for.
Which is fine. Not everyone has to be interested in everything. But keep that in mind when giving your opinion on something too.
I heard a conversation with educated people that wanted to blame Democrats for a flash robbery that happened close to where I live. No laws have changed locally, the police department and the PA legislature is actually republican but they really were convinced that BLM and a law in San Francisco on shoplifting is the cause of this crime. I can't even engage in those kind of conversations at this point. Its not my job to be a teacher.
Short sighted AF OP. Of course people know who formed the courts.
I will say RBG should bare some responsibility because she should have stepped down when people were begging her during the Obama administration.
I will say RBG should bare some responsibility because she should have stepped down when people were begging her during the Obama administration.
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Obviously not. The average American doesn't know when Obama was president, and that wasn't that long ago.
Much less know the answer to those being Eisenhower, Buchanan and Nixon.
Agreed. Although Congress can and should save the day but they won't.
The Supreme Court Clearly Won’t Protect Voting Rights. But Congress Can.
Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee made the need clearer than ever.
I think it was probably a mix of not appearing politically motivated and her lifelong legacy - which I agree should not in principle have been denied to her.
But in reality, her legacy will probably be one of civil and gender based rights deconstruction for decades to come.
It may not be fair to lay it at her feet, but the reality is that she will have been a part to it.
Nah they're definitely that dumb, they're just wouldn't give this "win" to a liberal.
No they won't. I have a degree in history--Constitutional Law views the Chief Justice's tenure more than the President when items pass. The only time a President is ever entioned with respect to the Supreme Court is if they're mentioned by name in the opinions, or if they are the person appointing the justice.
If Roe is overturned, it will be the defining legacy of the Roberts court along with Citizens United and other "victories" for conservatives. Scholars will always see this as a conservative majority court, and not a failure of the Biden administration.
No, of course not. Reasonably intelligent people understand the Supreme Court is a Republican majority, and was so before Biden was elected. Everyone else will know it's not Biden's fault because the GOP will aggressive brag about this and celebrate the death of R v. W.
Some Democrats will get some blame for letting it get to this point in the first place, and the election failures that made it possible, though.
while it doesn't seem to be directly on him, neoliberal policies like the ones biden's made a lifetime of are absolutely responsible for us getting here, and by definition, will have no answers for the further horrors to come
As dumb as people are I don't think history books will note this as anything to do with Biden because they don't connect administrations with court cases.
That doesn't mean people won't weaponize it in the present media to frame it that way, though. I'm sure some clickbait "dems in disarray" shit will come around. It won't last but it'll be annoying.
That doesn't mean people won't weaponize it in the present media to frame it that way, though. I'm sure some clickbait "dems in disarray" shit will come around. It won't last but it'll be annoying.
This really puts Martin Niemoller's famous words below in perspective:
Just replace key words with "Women rights/Queer/Minorities..." EtC.
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Does history credit Richard Nixon with securing abortion rights for women?
No? Then why would history blame Biden for its undoing?
If "but americans are dumb" is the reason for this, have this exercise:
Walk down the street and ask 25 people who was president when _______ was decided:
No? Then why would history blame Biden for its undoing?
If "but americans are dumb" is the reason for this, have this exercise:
Walk down the street and ask 25 people who was president when _______ was decided:
- Heller v DC
- Roe v Wade
- Griswold v Connecticut
- Gideon v Wainright
- Brown v Board of Education
- Dred Scott v Sanford
- Madison v Marbury
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The only one I could remember off the top of my head was Nixon for Roe v Wade and that is because I knew that court case was in the early 70's.
If it happens, the technical reason will be: Roe was overturned because of low voter turnout in the 2016 Presidential Election in swing states.
And that would be correct.
You blame the voters first and foremost, because they elect the lawmakers who elect the judges.
And that would be correct.
You blame the voters first and foremost, because they elect the lawmakers who elect the judges.
That tries to pin it on a single election, rather than, like, every election combined. Republicans clawed out a bigger and bigger chunk through just consistent turnout with a more favorable voter split that makes the Senate way more conservative than the country as a whole.
This. History will forever remember RBG being the root cause of Roe v Wade being overturned.
Yeah, good luck on thinking that is how stuff gets written in history books. "And then, Roe v. Wade was overturned primarily because a single Supreme Court justice didn't retire seven years before she died." Nobody that actually takes politics seriously as a study would write something that stupid as the canonical take on how the Supreme Court shifted over time.
... It's really not hard to casually understand decades of historical support for and against abortion by each party, and Trump installing 3 judges preceding this ruling was major damn news - mainly around Gorsuch over the nonsense of blocking Obama's appointment for a year, and Kavanaugh's largely public hearings over sexual assault. The significance of RBG passing just before the election was also surely felt among many Americans.
The premise of this thread assumes everyone had their memories wiped a month ago.
The premise of this thread assumes everyone had their memories wiped a month ago.
Came to post this.
Unlike failures in Congress being attributed to the Presidents of their times, Supreme Court doesn't seem as tied.
Those are actions the president took. The decisions themselves are never attributed to the sitting president. And the contemporary media framing something as a win isn't how history is told. The person history will attribute overturning Roe v Wade will be John Roberts.
