This is very similar to my Dreamcast 2 fantasy.
Rise up, Yukawa!
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Imagine if BioWare did a Bungie, taking Mass Effect, DA and Kotor IPs with them...
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This is very similar to my Dreamcast 2 fantasy.
Rise up, Yukawa!
Activision never owned Destiny either. It was just a publishing agreement.
I think people have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the relationship between Bungie and Activision was. lol
Companies like Blizzard and BioWare are owned and operated by Activision and EA respectively (Activision-Blizzard is more of a merger, but Activision still holds the cards).
Bungie was never owned. They just had an agreement to make a game for Activision with an IP that they retained ownership of from the beginning. And they managed to exit that agreement. That's all that happened.
Companies like Blizzard and BioWare are owned and operated by Activision and EA respectively (Activision-Blizzard is more of a merger, but Activision still holds the cards).
Bungie was never owned. They just had an agreement to make a game for Activision with an IP that they retained ownership of from the beginning. And they managed to exit that agreement. That's all that happened.
I don't know about Inquisition, but Andromeda was made by B team. A team is on Anthem, and seeing the polish of that game really makes me want another Mass Effect by them.
AFAIK Activision never owned the IP, I'm fairly certain that IP ownership was a massive deal in Bungie's search for a new publisher.
For a forum made of up mostly 30+ year olds the business intelligence (even when dealing with simple concepts like the difference between the BioWare/EA relationship and the Bungie/ATVI relationship) of your average ResetEra user is startlingly low.
I think people sometimes undervalue what publishers actually bring to the table. Apart from the budget for the game (which would drop considerably without EA), there comes a form of project management that developers aren't always great at. I think gamers thinking that "if all developers just left their publisher then everything would be great" is a bit short sighted.
I want Hudson to leave and pull a Vince Zampella. Start a new studio. Take a bunch of people with him. Old BioWare didn't need the IPs. Just creative flexibility.
I wish someone would make KOTOR 3, love the originals. I don't know why ea hasn't at least ported the mobile version of the first game to consoles. Seems like easy, easy money. Tho i guess the xbox versions are BC on Xbox One tho.
I doubt BioWare could do this at all, obviously, and i'm Not sure they are big enough to survive something like that even if they could, big enough financially. I'm surprised bungie even could. Must have paid a lot to get out of their deal
I doubt BioWare could do this at all, obviously, and i'm Not sure they are big enough to survive something like that even if they could, big enough financially. I'm surprised bungie even could. Must have paid a lot to get out of their deal
Meh. Everything I see of Anthem makes me feel mildly sleepy.
And even if I thought Anthem looked good, it looks... I don't want to say "generic", but it looks like a game that any decent sized developer could have made. A GaaS timesink where you go on fetch quests and chip numbers out of healthbars. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.
Even if this ridiculous scenario could actually happen (impossible), they would probably just still make Anthem.
That's the kind of game they want to make going forward.
That's the kind of game they want to make going forward.
Imagine Hideaki Anno did a bungie and take Evangelion out of Gainax with him...
I still don't understand how he did that. I guess he may have somehow finagled some rights since he was a co-founder of Gainax, but wtf, it's a multi-billion dollar IP.
EVA is a multi-billion dollar IP?
Miyazaki's right. Anime was a mistake.
Activision never owned Bungie so it's not really comparable. In regards to them leaving Microsoft though, it was a unique situation as Bungie not only created the IP of the decade but also saved the Xbox so they had alot of clout. Bioware doesn't have that kind of clout and even their highest rated games have not had anywhere near the same impact and influence Halo had.
No chance, Dragon Age after origins is generic fantasy IP #233. Mass effect was huge and a mainstream hit.
It's generated roughly $16.2b. $11.6b from pachinko machines alone :P! It's the 28th highest grossing media franchise, two spots below Call of Duty, and three spots higher than The Simpsons.
I must be missing the threads that have that. I see plenty of lazy dev rhetoric though.
God damn pachinko, the mgs 3 scenes for their pachinko still hurt.
The design and creative decisions that destroyed the Mass Effect franchise were driven by in house BioWare people, EA had little to nothing to do with that train wreck.
Imagine if Bioware had not farmed out Mass Effect to an untested team.
Imagine if Bioware had accepted the limitations of the Frostbite engine and made a game within its scope.
Seriously, Bioware should own the Andromeda catastrophe.
Imagine if Bioware had accepted the limitations of the Frostbite engine and made a game within its scope.
Seriously, Bioware should own the Andromeda catastrophe.
Imagine if Bioware didn't write themselves into a creative corner with ME3's ending
I think there is enough blame to go around. On the one hand, yes, the creative decisions around ME (going back to 3 even) were dubious at best. ME3 was already plagued with issues beyond the ending, but with ME:A there was a clear lack of leadership in the creative side and a lack of strong support publisher side. Reports of understaffed teams and poor tool development abound.
I mean the premise of Andromeda alone shows it's not a "creative corner". It had so much potential.
Pretty much and the IP was a lot more critical to MS than the studio itself. They knew somebody else could take over the IP , how that turned out is a discussion for another thread but Halo as an IP still has a clout. Even if EA would let Bioware become independent the they would never give up the IPs. Also like others have pointed out the original Bioware guys have left so the motivation to split off might not be that high for the guys at the top.
Stop. Comparing. A. Partnership. With. An. Ownership.
Bungie was partnered with Activision.
Bioware is owned by EA.
Bungie always owned the Destiny IP because no one owned them. Bioware does not own their IP's because EA is their owner. It's not remotely the same situation.
Bungie was partnered with Activision.
Bioware is owned by EA.
Bungie always owned the Destiny IP because no one owned them. Bioware does not own their IP's because EA is their owner. It's not remotely the same situation.
I don't think a lot of people here realize that a game like Anthem is something that Bioware Edmonton actually wanted to do.
Even if they left EA or were independent, chances that Anthem would've still happened are still the same.
Even if they left EA or were independent, chances that Anthem would've still happened are still the same.
That.... was their point.
They had no choice. They can't do a sequel to ME3 without acknowledging the disaster endings. Two of those endings presents it's own creative challenges by themselves.
I think we apply a lot of misappropriated responsibility to these boogie man Publishers.
There are obviously a lot of documented situations where devs have had to do things that they otherwise wouldn't (for the good and bad of their IP). I'm not doubting that. Just don't agree with this concept that everything would be sunshine lollipops suddenly because they have more independence in some areas.
There are obviously a lot of documented situations where devs have had to do things that they otherwise wouldn't (for the good and bad of their IP). I'm not doubting that. Just don't agree with this concept that everything would be sunshine lollipops suddenly because they have more independence in some areas.
I'd say they have influence when it comes to microtransactions and loot boxes but I'd say more importantly I'd say they have influence when it comes to releasing a game that needs to stay in development another 6 months and not rushed out.
People want to look for scapegoats to explain recent failures.
