Depends on what you look for. I agree, in terms of gameplay and pacing they did a fantastic job and it's arguably the only thing that truly matters to make a good video game in the end, however, you gotta admit for a game with a lot of cutscenes in it you could knock it in so many areas for its writing and storytelling. Even as a comedy it's all sorts of tonally unaware and it should be possible to make a game that's as great but with that department more refined.
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I'm sad that there will probobaly never be another game as perfect as Resident Evil 4
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Definitely going to echo Bloodborne here. I would personally say Dark Souls 1 & 3 as well.
Though it is pretty incredible just HOW GOOD RE4 was at release and still is. Just a phenomenal game.
I will say, REmake 2 is tied with it for me.
Though it is pretty incredible just HOW GOOD RE4 was at release and still is. Just a phenomenal game.
I will say, REmake 2 is tied with it for me.
This is where I'm at. The series is currently in an amazing return to form with RE7 and RE2 Remake. I'm legitimately excited for RE3 remake, where the prospect of RE5 and 6 didn't excite me at all.
Action games are fine and all but the horror aspect is wasted on 4/5/6.
Yes here's you being wrong. RE2 Remake is so overrated it isn't even funny. Not the best survival horror RE. Not the best RE remake. Not even the best Resident Evil 2.
REmake 2 is great, but it doesn't feel as consistent as Re4. I know that most people consider the island a weak point of the game (I think the same), but even so it's consistent with the other 2 areas in level design and gameplay structure. On the other hand, everything after the police station in REmake 2 feels IMO worse, far worse. I can understand the need for an epic setting for the game ending segments, but even so the far more limited and linear ending areas are not that good, and the limited exploration make them a weaker point than the island never was.
Resi4 feels like there's like 5 games worth of concepts, ideas and original content crammed into a near perfect package.
I'm still not very fond of the helicopter parts near the end, maybe there's one dull room (the one full of enemies and you have to activate two terminals with cards near the end), but the game does so much more than anything today.
To those saying Bloodborne, nah that's "just" souls formula tweaked to perfection and cool atmosphere.
I'm still not very fond of the helicopter parts near the end, maybe there's one dull room (the one full of enemies and you have to activate two terminals with cards near the end), but the game does so much more than anything today.
To those saying Bloodborne, nah that's "just" souls formula tweaked to perfection and cool atmosphere.
Bloodborne really is the Apex of the Souls Game formula. Incredible just how far past DeS, DS1 and DS2 it is.
I like DS3, but it doesn't quite hit the same tier, perhaps because it isn't as thematically consistent all the way through. The cane whip was my preferred main for most of the game, so hitting Cainhurst castle and getting a mini "Castlevania" experience out of that was just outstanding.
The atmosphere in BB is really something else, and seeing the game effortlessly switch themes from a gothic horror to more of a lovecraftian cosmic horror WTFISTHIS?! Was a great, GREAT moment.
Obviously the game isn't perfect (no game is) but the lore to that one is as deep as the gameplay, which is REALLY saying something. You can't really say this with RE4- you play that game in spite of the narrative, not because of it.
It's not, just played through on PS4 recently. My one and only complaint about the game aside from some minor stealth mechanic gripes
I don't think it's even the best game in the series, but sure. I guess the game industry is forever doomed to live in the shadow of a game with tank controls. At least if you are op.
People praising RE2 Remake yet criticising the Island in RE4 or the second half of RE7 triggers me. Everything past the police station in RE2 was a massive dip in quality far more than anything that happened in RE4 or RE7. With RE7 the ship is the most underappreciated part of the game imo and features some of the best level design in the game.
Yet despite being a great game -no argument there-, it is not a great Resident Evil title, it is more of an Action Horror title rather than a Survival Horror one, so in my book it is not that perfect.
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RE5 feels like a direct to DVD sequel to RE4, it lacks the pacing and just about everything else that made RE4 great. It's only similar on a surface level. It's best played in split screen co-op but the single player was compromised all sorts of ways as a result. It's not a worthy successor to RE4. RE6 on the other hand was ambitious but sadly, it's a mess. RE6 has really nothing in common with RE4 or even RE5. It plays completely differently from every other game in the series. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing but the game was kind of terrible IMO.
I don't really care that RE4 is not a horror game like RE1-3, because it was so good as a game. Giving it flack for not being like earlier games would be disingenuous because it was kind of the entire point of the game, after the series got stale with games like Code Veronica and RE Zero.
Yep, completely agreed. Bloodborne is just SUCH a unique experience. The only issues I have with the game are the healing system and early technical issues. Everything else is almost perfect.
Agreed about Bloodborne. The game is rough as hell on a technical level. RE4 is an impeccably designed game, but I think people sleep on how rock solid it's built. Insanely fast load times on nearly all platforms (particularly considering how attractive it is) and a steady frame rate keep the experience comfortable when playing for many hours straight. Bloodborne has long load times (even after 1.03) which are only made worse by the game design forcing you to warp around to level up and reach new areas. And that frame pacing is oof.
It's also worth mentioning that the blood vial system in BB is pretty divisive in a way that nothing in RE4 really is.
Because the OP made the claim that there will never be a game as "perfect" as RE4 when Bloodborne is a masterclass in just about everything it sets out to do?
I recently played RE4 for the first time and it's not even my favorite RE game (haven't played RE2 remake yet). RE2 still holds that title for me.
RE4 has a more incomprehensible story, commits more tropes, and I don't think its attempts at humor come from the place of self awareness everyone seems to think they do. It also represented a tonal shift in the series. It's no longer survival horror, but action horror IMO. Being able to snipe an enemy comfortably from a distance removes the immediacy and dread of threats presented elsewhere in previous installments.
RE4 has a more incomprehensible story, commits more tropes, and I don't think its attempts at humor come from the place of self awareness everyone seems to think they do. It also represented a tonal shift in the series. It's no longer survival horror, but action horror IMO. Being able to snipe an enemy comfortably from a distance removes the immediacy and dread of threats presented elsewhere in previous installments.
Right, I've seen far many posts in this thread shitting on tank controls simply for being tank controls.
I'm this close to making a thread explaining why classic Tomb Raider has better controls than modern Tomb Raider.
Tank controls are not bad by virtue of being tank controls.
I'm this close to making a thread explaining why classic Tomb Raider has better controls than modern Tomb Raider.
Tank controls are not bad by virtue of being tank controls.
Exactly. Resident Evils (be it 4 or another one like the Remake) Tank controls work perfectly in the context of the game.
I've never played RE4 and I'm always tempted to play it when I see threads that praise it like this, but the controls look like an absolute turn off for the uninitiated.
Aiming with slow analog sticks = perfect. Char not smart enough to know to shoot/reload while moving = perfect. HAHAHAHAHA, sure...
Sure. That why pro CS players are using Wimotes, right? Lol
Sure. That why pro CS players are using Wimotes, right? Lol
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And in the case of REmake, the addition of non tank controls hurt the game and flow. Someone post that infamous REmake gif.
Fun game, but I feel the mega fans get to crazy about it, similar to Bloodborne. There will always be amazing and surprising games coming out. I really can't relate with the game X ruined gaming for me. Gaming is just way too diverse.
Jesus Christ OP. How about "RE4 is still perfect to me/in my opinion." You title the damn thing like it's objective fact and this pisses people off. I wish people on era would stop doing this shit.
On topic it's definitely still one of my favorite games ever. But it has been surpassed numerous times over in my opinion. I enjoyed Remake and RE2 Remake more. Plus there's other games I enjoyed more like TLOU, Bloodborne, Monster hunter world. I would go in detail my issues with RE4 but it's just being nitpicky.
On topic it's definitely still one of my favorite games ever. But it has been surpassed numerous times over in my opinion. I enjoyed Remake and RE2 Remake more. Plus there's other games I enjoyed more like TLOU, Bloodborne, Monster hunter world. I would go in detail my issues with RE4 but it's just being nitpicky.
It is far from perfect imo. The aiming was terrible on the Gamecube (it was apparently better on the Wii version) as the reticule only displayed when it landed on something, so on the lift sections with big wide open spaces you couldn't even see where you were targetting which made it a real pain to actually shoot anyone.
Both are these things are an integral part of the way the game is designed though. You can see on PC and Wii how trivialised the game can become when aiming becomes faster and easier and not being able to move while shooting and reloading makes you think more about your positioning which is great.
You could make a case for games like Super Mario Galaxy/3D World or Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze then in regards to the bolded. Especially Galaxy, which also had the "wow" factor at the time similar to RE4. Completely different genres obviously, but it was still a bold reinvention of 3D Mario, and did a lot of things that hadn't been done in a video game before. Add in the perfect pacing, controls, music, and visuals, and you have the complete package.
Resident Evil 2 (Original) is the best RE game in my opinion. I love it to death. The closest to "perfect" I would call a game, for me, is Dark Souls. Perfect level of difficulty, insane amount of replayability, immersive world, plenty of secrets, lots of lore, it checks all the marks for me.
Just make enemies faster/smarter? But nooo, let's make the player have shittier controls over the character. ;)
Totally different genre, but Nex Machina is arguably an even more perfect game than RE4 is.
Yup! Sekiro is astoundingly good.
Man the hyperbole on resetera is fucking crazy. I loved RE4 but I find the controls make it hard to go back to. Also thought the military island area was a big decline in fun for me, and wasn't crazy about some of the Ashley escort stuff.
It's a great game, but holy shit at these type of thread titles.
It's a great game, but holy shit at these type of thread titles.
This is where I'm at as well.
There will always be room in my heart for the classics that absolutely blew my mind in the past.
But to legitimately think that marks the end of the line for all things going forward just lacks...perspective.
In terms of the moment-to-moment gameplay, it stays consistent, but RE4 is full of setpieces, elaborate boss encounters, one-off gameplay moments (maze garden in the castle, the vehicle section on the island, the cabin fight, exploring the castle as Ashley, lake boss fight via boat, defusing bombs in the Krauser encounter, the regenerators, etc). The game is constantly changing things up. It's a 20+ hour game that never stops surprising the player. There's really nothing like it in the modern era.
They excel in different areas, it just depends on what you prioritise, prefer or enjoy more.
RE4 has bosses, and like you said better weapon and enemy variety, but TLOU has a lot better movement and controls, more combat variety, better enemy AI, a much better narrative and characters, on the whole better combat arena design (allowing for quicker flanking, mobility, verticality, pathways, cover etc, which is necessary given the enemies are generally also far smarter, quicker, more mobile and more proficient than your average RE zombie), and so on.
Combat gameplay wise, RE4 often seems almost a bit simplistic and shooter gallery like in comparison to TLOU, since so much of the time waves of zombies are just slowly and pretty much mindlessly plodding towards you. In comparison TLOU's combat engagements tend to be a bit more dynamic, with far more available diversity in approach (stealth, contextual melee, full on rambo, real time on the fly crafting that keeps you in the fight, shivs, environmental objects etc).
I think both games are a 10/10, but for me TLOU is the better overall game, with slightly more complex, diverse or sophisticated gameplay and controls.
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I don't because Capcom themselves already got rid of those two shitty designs with RE6 and RE2 Remake. Thanks Capcom.
It's a shame you feel that way, but it is your right to do so!
RE2 Remake was amazing and I think I enjoy it more than 4.
RE2 Remake was amazing and I think I enjoy it more than 4.
I've tried countless times to get into it and honestly, whatever the appeal is, it's lost on me. I didn't experience it at the time, so I'm unable to appreciate the impact it had at launch, but it doesn't hold up in the modern era in the way that classic RE and Final Fantasy games do.
Plus, it was also responsible for setting a trend that put the franchise on a downward spiral for the next decade, only averted when they took the franchise back to its survival horror roots.
Plus, it was also responsible for setting a trend that put the franchise on a downward spiral for the next decade, only averted when they took the franchise back to its survival horror roots.
"in my opinion" is implied. Obviously. If this pisses anyone off, that's on them.