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I'm sad that there will probobaly never be another game as perfect as Resident Evil 4
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Brilliant addition to the game. Still the gold standard for escort missions. Adds variety and something different to the game and better still she's always gone before she outstays her welcome.
Bayonetta (1) is great, an action masterpiece, but it's far from perfect, as it has too many bad sections, bad gimmicks, QTEs,... I think that is a good example of a great but flawed game, when Re4 stands as a far more consistent experience.
But the combat is awful. It doesn't even try to be that kind of game so it can't possibly be better in that way.
Plenty of masterpieces. But there's a difference between a masterpiece and Resident Evil 4.
Same. TLOU is the goat. RE4 was great, but the bad controls are killing it these days. The remake in a few years will be interesting.
It features like 3x the number of unique setpiece moments of a game like Uncharted 2.
RE4 is chock-full of one-off elements all the way until its conclusion. In the modern era of video games, the budget would be completely unsustainable. If a remake happens, lots of things are going to be cut or it's going to be split up into two entries.
Bloodborne is easily one of the best games of the generation, but it's not uniformly and consistently enjoyable in the same way as RE4. I could have done without several of the mandatory areas in that game, as well as some of the optional content (hello, Chalices). Also, while a nitpick, the performance in Bloodborne does leave a lot to be desired, while RE4 is super snappy by comparison, all while throwing unique setpiece after unique setpiece at the player.
This isn't really a dig at Bloodborne. RE4 is just that good.
I think games like God of War (2018) fit the bill, no?
Linear game with opportunities to explore, near perfect execution of the design intent throughout.
The Last of Us is also similar, and I'm sure TLOU2 will be in the same vein also.
Yeah it's pretty damn good. Even some of my family members played it and they disliked video games in general.
same for me. I've done about 5 RE4 playthroughs and tried for a 6th about a year ago and just couldn't do it anymore, the controls having lack of movement while shooting is just too annoying to play now. Game needs the RE2 remake treatment for next gen.
Y'know, that's actually a fair point. But they do pretty interesting things with the recycled assets and how they re-contextualize some of the bosses so I don't really mind it.
Never had a problem with the QTEs or the Sega tribute sections tbh but I know I'm very alone with that opinion. Personally my only real issue with Bayonetta 1 is that too many of the larger bosses don't take enough advantage of the combat system (like Jeanne does for example). Still my favorite game of all time though.
Those are pretty good examples, though I'd argue neither of them come close to the scope of RE4 in terms of pure game design. RE4 is constantly introducing new elements to the player, many of which are only used a single time. Both games do succeed in other areas RE4 lacks though.
Well they could probably cut some of the QTEs aside from the Krauser fight, and while we're at it let's just go ahead and remove the giant robotic Disney statue that tries to murder you in a castle. That should save like, enough money.
The game isn't that big. Any given open world game this gen is going to have content that dwarfs RE4. For example, just compare it to Monster Hunter World, another Capcom game. Every monster is basically its own setpiece and they have way more complicated interactions than any of the scripted stuff in RE4 while the size and scope of the environments completely dwarfs RE4.
I loved RE4 but I played it on Wii. I'm afraid to buy it again and play with regular controllers. Pointer was such a great addition
I'm trying to think of what one-off elements you are talking about.
I really enjoyed RE4, but felt it was way too easy, with most encounters lacking the same sense of tension as that wonderful opening town sequence. Where the game peaked i'd argue.
Your firepower improves dramatically with progress, you learn easy exploits to easily dispatch foes(ie. kneecap/knife) and I agree that some of the later sections are not very enjoyable. It's still a fun game, just not as exhilarating with progression.
Oh and if I ever want to revisit the game, Professional difficulty is locked without playing the entire game on normal first, leading me to not bother playing it at all. Garbage choice.
Your firepower improves dramatically with progress, you learn easy exploits to easily dispatch foes(ie. kneecap/knife) and I agree that some of the later sections are not very enjoyable. It's still a fun game, just not as exhilarating with progression.
Oh and if I ever want to revisit the game, Professional difficulty is locked without playing the entire game on normal first, leading me to not bother playing it at all. Garbage choice.
Slightly off topic: The loss of Wii pointer controls in general is one of the biggest travesties in gaming. Fuck sake people we FINALLY had controls on consoles that had evolved. We FINALLY had aiming with true ease and precision. And yet one console later lets go back to shitty dual analog sticks. Fuck sake what's wrong with you people? Goddammit we needed an improved Wiimote setup with dual analogs in conjunction with a pointer as standard.
For me, this is too hard of a line to take. RE4 is absolutely amazing in every way. Have played through it several times on different platforms and just talking about it makes me want to go back again. That being said, saying that it's the most perfect game or greatest of all time is much harder these days. There are too many near perfect games that keep raising the bar in different ways to be able to judge this anymore. For me at least. I thought RE7 was nearly perfect. Bloodborne was nearly perfect. Last of us. Halo 3. Gears of War 3. Several Zelda games. Several Mario titles. The Witcher 3 etc...the waters are very muddy...
I said what I said.
RE4 fails as a horror game- it completely lacks any tension outside of the initial appearance of regenerators, and packs in a lot of extremely silly "Action" QTE setpieces (leon flipping through lasers? GTFO of here with this), infinite ammo falling from god knows where, and dials the cheese up to 11 in what was ALREADY a series dancing around the level of a B-movie. I could never shake the feeling that the plagas were a poor substitute for the T and G virus zombies as well- once heads started exploding with insect heads wiggling out of there in their place I was done with the concept.
RE2 fixes a lot of this. Ammo is once again a scarcity, the game is legitimately frightening, and weapon use needs to be deliberate and considered (hit the knees? or go for the head? use the knife, knowing it might break this time? Just run, and risk having to go BACK to this area in even worse circumstances?) rather than spraying the field at will. Weapon variety is sufficient given the scenario- the RCPD isn't going to be as well fortified as a military bunker. It's a survival scenario (RE4 is NOT), you work with what's there.
RE4 is crazy overrated, no idea why. If you're looking for a survival horror experience, it's not your game. RE7 is also a superior game to it, but I didn't enjoy that one as much as RE2, since I don't like first person gameplay.
All of these complaints are based on your expectations of an RE game rather than what the game delivered though. It's an action game with horror elements.
What kind of thing are you referring to? I haven't played RE4 in a while but I really felt like it was mostly of the same mould, from start to finish. The only startling introduction I recall was when the game introduced dogs.
I don't like calling games perfect. RE4 is one best games ever crafted for me though and one of the most enjoyable to replay. It's gameplay loop is one of the most addicting to revisit. In terms of overall execution it feels insane for when it came out and holds up fantastically. The Wii version is still my most preferred way of playing it because of the fantastic controls.
I'd argue that there have been plenty of games that come close to matching RE4's execution since it's release(TLOU, DK:TF, SM3DW, Zelda BotW, Journey, Portal 1/2), however the only one that stands up to me for repeat playthroughs is Super Mario Galaxy 2.
I'd argue that there have been plenty of games that come close to matching RE4's execution since it's release(TLOU, DK:TF, SM3DW, Zelda BotW, Journey, Portal 1/2), however the only one that stands up to me for repeat playthroughs is Super Mario Galaxy 2.
Not with a negative attitude luke that - course there will be better games.
But it will never be the same for you becasue nostalgia is more about the time an dplace than the actual thing.
But it will never be the same for you becasue nostalgia is more about the time an dplace than the actual thing.
Yeah, this one too, I enjoyed a lot more the big bosses in Bayo2. Too much platforming and QTEs in the big bosses of Bayo1.
GoW 2018 has ambition, but the execution of this ambition can't be compared to Re4, the game has worse pacing, worse use of recycled areas, worse level design, worse use of non-combat slow sections, worse bosses, worse enemy design, worse... everything, or so I feel.
I love RE4 and all but RE2 classic, RE2 remake and RE3 are infinitely better games.
It probably deserves a top 100 spot, tho.
This lol
Even kb+m should be considered obsolete compared with pointers at this point.
It probably deserves a top 100 spot, tho.
This lol
Even kb+m should be considered obsolete compared with pointers at this point.
I know what it is, and as an "action game with horror elements" it's a less fun experience than a survival horror game, which RE2 is. The horror elements present in RE4 are silly and used poorly. The overabundance of ammo is a mistake, the central antagonist is an eye rolling nutcase that's impossible to take seriously. Even the premise of "go save the president's daughter" is nonsense straight out of Bad Dudes.
These are not elements of a "perfect" game, and Capcom attempting to replicate these things gave us RE5 and RE6, which were even worse games making the same errors.
It's my GOTG currently, but no. The awful performance alone is enough to easily put it below RE4. Some of Chalice dungeons bosses should have been in the main game, but they have ran out of time to do this.
As for TLoU, loved it but it lacks enemy variety and Ellie hanging in front of the baddies all the time and they being like ''whatever'' kinda ruined any immersion (PS3 version, not sure if that is fixed on current gen re-release).