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Never played it, but it just looked like MGS2 graphics with the 1st person shooting included, and over the top cut scenes like MGS2. Younger me wanted to play it so bad. What was actually wrong with it? Cant make out shit from that blurry ass video.

People usually point out the cheesy nonsense like flipping over an open doorway or jumping on missiles, but the MGS2 mechanics break gameplay segments (especially bosses), and the cutscenes lose out a bit atmospherically, otherwise.

The Hallway cutscene, for example, where TTS shows way too much and loses the spook:

 
Oct 27, 2017
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I watched someone play MGS2 before I played twin snakes, so I never understood the "why is TTS so crazy and over the top" complaints.

I mean, one of the bosses in MGS is a bomb specialist fat man in roller skates drinking wine from a glass with a straw, and then there's this flamenco dancer vampire and then this other guy with an arm possessed by another guy...

But snake doing backflips is too much!
 

PspLikeANut

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David Hayter's voicework in Twin snakes just threw me off when I first heard it. couldn't get past how over the top he sounded. He doesn't sound as badass like he did in OG MGS1.
 

Indy_Rex

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Manged to get MGS TTS and what is this?!?! I remember playing this back when it first released and thought it was awesome. The reviews for when it came out also reflect those sentiments but going back to it in this day and age and this is something that should've been encapsulated in the early 2000's/buried . From the bullet time riddled cutscenes to the overtop mid 2000's music, it hurts!!

Don't even get me started on the VA – why did David Hayter make Snake sound over the top??? I understand they re-recorded all the dialogue due to sound proof rooms but it just came out worse than the OG.


Old-school Comparison

I'm pretty sure that this was something controversial with this YouTube video dating itself back to 2008. Why Era... why is it so hard to embrace this game besides the facts that were mentioned :(?


TTS has been getting lambasted for almost 2 decades now. It was "well-received" because it served its purpose as a remake. It was not well-received because Kojima shoved Ryuhei Kitamura down everyone's throat (I love Kitamura's work, but he's a bad fit for MGS), the re-recordings are mostly fine, it's script changes that really soften the experience. Kojima had little input into MGS1's localization and Jeremy Blaustein delivered a punchier and natural script, but, by TTS' development Hideo had creative control over all aspects of the product. He "sanitized" it to his liking and as a result the script read and ~sounded~ closer to MGS2 than MGS1.

All that said, I think the overall product works. You might not like Hayter's rendition in TTS, but it's more to do with the fact that Hayter in MGS1 was trying to establish that voice. It's like John Dimaggio and Bender. If you compare Bender in the first season of Futurama to Bender in later seasons, they're similar... but you can definitely tell Dimaggio "got" what he wanted Bender to sound like later on.

The only major complaint I have with TTS is the fact that they should've never recast Gray Fox, and if they had to... Rob Paulsen does not work at all. He sounds ~different~ but he also brings nothing to the role except literally sounding "different", such a waste of a great voice actor.
 

Radd Redd

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Oct 27, 2017
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You peeps are crazy. I played mgs1 then mgs TTS years later and besides making bosses crazy easy with first person shooting, I much prefer playing TTS whenever I get an urge to play mgs.

Still when purchasing my copy years ago on the cheap, those Gamestop employee's seemed to be smirking at me buying it.
 

MeepMerp

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Nothing bad happened. Kojima commissioned the best version of a game, and we ended up with the superior Metal Gear Solid as a result. There's no reason to play the original now that Twin Snakes exists.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Ryuhei Kitamura was such a good pick for MGS, legit wish he worked on the cutscene direction for a full entry rather than a remake.

I appreciate him even more after seeing Godzilla: Final Wars, really gotta watch Versus soon.

My biggest complaint with Twin Snakes is honestly just that the music and translation is a serious downgrade over the original.
 

skillzilla81

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I watched someone play MGS2 before I played twin snakes, so I never understood the "why is TTS so crazy and over the top" complaints.

I mean, one of the bosses in MGS is a bomb specialist fat man in roller skates drinking wine from a glass with a straw, and then there's this flamenco dancer vampire and then this other guy with an arm possessed by another guy...

But snake doing backflips is too much!

The thing is...none of those are Snake. Snake isn't a cyber ninja. He doesn't do all that crazy shit. Everybody else does. It's...kind of the point.
 

Cipherr

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Oct 26, 2017
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Twin Snakes is MGS1 sent from the future of the franchise. Because all that shit that was "over the top" was dwarfed by the absolutely ridiculous shit that came and went later on in the series that noone talks about. Tapdancing with knives on their feet, slithering on the floor in the rain....

Absolutely ridiculous. Twin Snakes is right in line with what the franchise became right after it.
 
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TTS has been getting lambasted for almost 2 decades now. It was "well-received" because it served its purpose as a remake. It was not well-received because Kojima shoved Ryuhei Kitamura down everyone's throat (I love Kitamura's work, but he's a bad fit for MGS), the re-recordings are mostly fine, it's script changes that really soften the experience. Kojima had little input into MGS1's localization and Jeremy Blaustein delivered a punchier and natural script, but, by TTS' development Hideo had creative control over all aspects of the product. He "sanitized" it to his liking and as a result the script read and ~sounded~ closer to MGS2 than MGS1.

All that said, I think the overall product works. You might not like Hayter's rendition in TTS, but it's more to do with the fact that Hayter in MGS1 was trying to establish that voice. It's like John Dimaggio and Bender. If you compare Bender in the first season of Futurama to Bender in later seasons, they're similar... but you can definitely tell Dimaggio "got" what he wanted Bender to sound like later on.

The only major complaint I have with TTS is the fact that they should've never recast Gray Fox, and if they had to... Rob Paulsen does not work at all. He sounds ~different~ but he also brings nothing to the role except literally sounding "different", such a waste of a great voice actor.
I recall a select few lambasting the game to no end but I never thought to take them seriously .Yet here I am siding with them... Ryuhei Kitamura was an effective director for the game's in-game cutscenes at the time but revisiting the game in this day and age just doesn't hold the same effect compared to back then. It doesn't hold up like say, the Matrix – yet I can appreciate it for what the cut scenes were when this game first released.

David Hayter hit Snake's voice in MGS2 due to the fact that it's a couple of years after but it doesn't hold up here... I'm sorry. The gruff/deep voice can pass in MGS2 but it can't here. For some reason I see MGS1 as that game where Snake is going in bare bones with the mission and not to that mission caliber that he would have in the sequel but maybe that's just me.

Like... I don't hate the game but revisiting it after 15 or so years is pretty rough. ..
 

skillzilla81

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Oct 25, 2017
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Twin Snakes is MGS1 sent from the future of the franchise. Because all that shit that was "over the top" was dwarfed by the absolutely ridiculous shit that came and went later on in the series that noone talks about. Tapdancing with knives on their feet, slithering on the floor in the rain....

Absolutely ridiculous. Twin Snakes is right in line with what the franchise became right after it.

MGS1 had a psychic that read your memory cards, a guy that used a tank gun as a weapon, a cyber ninja, a dude bouncing bullets of f walls to hit you, a sniper battle in the snow.

And snake was just a great soldier weathering all of it.

I don't know where this narrative that "MGS wasn't over the top" is coming from when people complain that Snake was as sick as Cyber Ninja in TTS.
 
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MGS1 had a psychic that read your memory cards, a guy that used a tank gun as a weapon, a cyber ninja, a dude bouncing bullets of f walls to hit you, a sniper battle in the snow.

And snake was just a great soldier weathering all of it.

I don't know where this narrative that "MGS wasn't over the top" is coming from when people complain that Snake was as sick as Cyber Ninja in TTS comes from.
Because the game tried to take itself as a serious game? The voice acting/cutscenes really lead itself to feeling like an actual thing that could happen.
 

Raonak

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Oct 29, 2017
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It's a pointless remake because it's only 1 generation after the original. The graphics are pretty underwhelming.

I think the original game looks way more atmospheric.


The people saying MGS is always OTT don't realise that yes MGS is full anime, but snake himself is the straight man. He doesn't really do OTT shit, he's just surrounded by it. Which is why rocket jumping and flips and shit is so out of place.
 

Tunar

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Twin Snakes is MGS1 sent from the future of the franchise. Because all that shit that was "over the top" was dwarfed by the absolutely ridiculous shit that came and went later on in the series that noone talks about. Tapdancing with knives on their feet, slithering on the floor in the rain....

Absolutely ridiculous. Twin Snakes is right in line with what the franchise became right after it.
This. 4 was way more over the top.
 

skillzilla81

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I'm saying that with voice acting/cutscenes there was SOME believability to it all as redonculous as that sounds.

Sure? I guess. Didn't have a problem with the voice acting.

My point is that the people surrounding snake are always super human with ridiculous abilities. TTS turned Snake into one of those super powered people in cutscenes. It's ridiculous and absurd to see Raiden jumping off of rockets and slicing bullets, but it makes sense in-universe because he's a ninja. For me, seeing Snake jump over doors and off of missiles made no sense because he's supposed to be just a really good soldier.
 

NDA-Man

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Mar 23, 2020
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God, this discussion feels like I've fallen through a timewarp to Gamefaqs in 2004...
 

rustyra24

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I read somewhere that this was Otocon's take on what happened. So he embellished it a little bit.
 

JumiElazul

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I never understood the hate for Twin Snakes. Yes, the cutscenes are cheesy, and yes the mechanics from MGS2 kind of break the game. That said, in every other way the game feels like an upgrade to the original.

I don't notice the voicework as a problem, really. I notice it's different, but it just doesn't sound that awful to me. Oh well!
 

Pharaoh

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The original is way, way better. One day it will get a worthy remake.
 

thematic

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Oct 31, 2017
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And

- the atmosphere
- the added MGS2 abilities breaking boss fights
- not having Greg Eagles voice Grey Fox
- the overly campy cutscenes (see below)
- the voice actors lacking the same intensity and gravitas as their original performances
- the character models are 100x more fugly than the low polygons of the PS1 version

kFstFJL.gif

LOL
why would he do that??
 

Conrad Link

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Oct 29, 2017
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Twin Snakes is the best version of MGS1, if I'm wanting to replay the game it would be Twin Snakes no question.

"BUT TEH OVER-TEH-TOPZ CS!!"

Wow, almost like it's a Metal Gear Solid game.
 

OneTrueJack

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Everyone is talking about the voice acting, but I'm more shocked by the recording quality. The audio for TS seems to be of a much lower quality than the original. As if it were done with older, inferior equipment. How is that even possible?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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twin snakes simply brought metal gear solid in line with how nutty the series became. ps1 mgs is a good game but it might as well be a spin-off because of how different it is in tone. unapologetically love it
 

Einchy

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is the only version of MGS1 I've played and it was baller as fuck. Made me into an MGS fan.
 
Nov 2, 2017
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I think it's better than the OG. It's more in line with what the series turned into. I'll play it any day of the week over the original and I'll never play the original MGS again since The Twin Snakes is banished to obscurity on the Gamecube.
 

Fisty

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Oct 25, 2017
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FAR inferior to the original. Ive still got my copy though, and its fine for a run through every now and again just for the novelty of it. Its a step down in most ways though, and certainly no replacement. I would never recommend it over the OG.
 

Stitch AU

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MGS is one of my favourite games of all time. I still own my original copies on PC, PS1 and bought a GameCube just for twin snakes.

While I don't believe it's the best version I do appreciate it. I kinda treat it like it's a retelling of the story and the legend of Snake was over exaggerated.

I enjoy playing it still.
 

luoapp

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Oct 27, 2017
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Can Sony hurry the F up and buy Konami and make proper remakes of MGS 1-5? It's bound to happen in PS5 era, right? Right?!
 

litebrite

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I wish Konami would get a competent studio like Bluepoint that could remaster the PS1 MGS and Gamecube MGS: Twin Snakes for modern platforms and bundle them together as MGS: Complete Edition. Hell, they could charge $70 dollars for it and I'd buy it in an instant.