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I'm playing Ni No Kuni and it's better than DQ11 at literally everything
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I'm no Dragon Quest fan, but NNK is that game that western PS3 owners convinced themselves was better than the passing grade it barely deserves because options were very limited at the time of its release. I imagine if Vesperia had been multiplat, we'd never have seen this loving mythos built up around a Level-5 game that's merely okay only when at its absolute best.
They probably played it right after DQ or something. It's not that deep lol
I screamed!!! You spilled. It's literally the The Last Story of the PS3 gang.
Agreed
The DQ11 is a masterpiece spiel is so tiring. NNK1 is by no means a masterpiece but its better than DQ11 which was a safe as you can get JRPG done in the most bland way possible.
A fair comparrison for DQ11 via quality would be NNK2...
The DQ11 is a masterpiece spiel is so tiring. NNK1 is by no means a masterpiece but its better than DQ11 which was a safe as you can get JRPG done in the most bland way possible.
A fair comparrison for DQ11 via quality would be NNK2...
I really like Ni no Kuni, but you're really overselling it by unnecessarily pitting it against DQXI.
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Yeah, ridiculous. I'm playing the remaster which is available on everything. Couldn't care less about the platform. I do believe Lost Odyssey and to a lesser extent Blue Dragon benefitted from the awful JRPG drought (on stationary consoles) in the mid 2000s but NNK is legit great.
Play Dragon Quest XI with difficult monsters mode, and I promise you that you won't call the combat a snooze fest. I enjoyed NNK a lot, until a certain point, where I think that the story took a nosedive. NNK had one cool villain and a fun companion in Drippy. I liked the world map, Music and graphics, but the writing wasn't perfect. It was very up and down.
I'm 45 hours into DQ XI and I love it. It looks great, has challenging combat, fun boss fights and fun companions. As in NNK, the game's writing can be a bit uneven.
In the end, I am happy that I have played both.
I'm 45 hours into DQ XI and I love it. It looks great, has challenging combat, fun boss fights and fun companions. As in NNK, the game's writing can be a bit uneven.
In the end, I am happy that I have played both.
I haven't played the first NNK but this doesn't sound like a high bar. DQ11 is basic and boring, with grating music on top.
NNK is a good game.. but DQXI is a massive epic journey with crazy big world filled with many details in every possible way you can think about.
To me there isn't any comparison here between these two, DQXI is easily one of the best RPG games of all time <3
To me there isn't any comparison here between these two, DQXI is easily one of the best RPG games of all time <3
Nope, i liked Ni No Kuni but the areas were small and AI is crap, if you are talking about being Unique sure can be, but Dragon Quest IS Dragon Quest.
Hahahahaha, what a first choice!
Awesome! Really hope you enjoy them as much as you enjoyed Ni no Kuni. They're all quite magical.
Wait until the end...
It does not stick the landing. It is a brilliant game though.
Er, no. Ni no Kuni is a fine JRPG and the best in its own franchise but still doesn't come close to how well-designed the world and battle system are in DQXIS.
DQ 11 is a boring slog sadly. It does nothing really well. It's THE defacto medicore cliche trope-filled jrgp and overstays its welcome by like 30h.
NNK is a rough gem. It has obviously awesome artstyle and interesting story-beats, but it lacks in many areas.
Still, I prefer NNK any day of the week.
NNK is a rough gem. It has obviously awesome artstyle and interesting story-beats, but it lacks in many areas.
Still, I prefer NNK any day of the week.
While Ni no Kuni has a fantastic start (and one of the best openings of any RPG I've played), my impression of the game went down as I played through it. Its towns look impressive, yet there's not much to do in them. Much as I liked the protagonist's intro, he (and the other main characters) does not develop in an interesting way. Ni no Kuni has an additional act after the natural conclusion that falls flat (something it shares in common with Dragon Quest XI, although I think that Ni no Kuni's final section is even worse in comparison). Lastly, Ni no Kuni's combat is never great, and I ended up disliking it by the game's conclusion. As a result, Ni no Kuni ended up being a game that hyped me up with its strong start, only to disappoint me. I'd much sooner replay Dragon Quest XI, a game I enjoyed much more, aside from its terrible music.
this. absolutely terrible to play once you got multiple party members.
If you have to say something else is bad in order to say the thing you like is good, 9/10 times it means the thing you like isnt all that good.
Ni no Kuni is one of my favorite games/RPGs ever. I absolutely loved it. Thought the combat was great too. I dropped DQ11 primarily because of how much of a mannequin the protag is. Extremely bland, doesn't say anything, has no personality, interaction with other characters sucks, and basically just feels like he's not even there. It's hard to get invested in the story or the characters when things are like this. The awful music didn't help either (I have the PS4 version). Other than that though, DQ11 is gorgeous and has some great gameplay, and I'll likely give the game another go in the future.
I never understood the hate for NNK combat system. Mighty fine and fun with some minor annoyances IMO.
I would say I really liked both games a similar amount. Shocking, I know.
Ni no Kuni 2 was trash though.
Ni no Kuni 2 was trash though.
I have only ever played nnk2, but I really want to pick up the remaster, but reading about people not liking the combat system is putting a damper on my hype. Could someone explain why the combat is bad?
Ni no Kuni is an incredible game, but so is Dragon Quest XI. I'm glad I'm able to appreciate two very wholesome JRPGs, personally.
Not sure why you have to rag on DQXI though. Doesn't seem very conducive to a good discussion...
Not sure why you have to rag on DQXI though. Doesn't seem very conducive to a good discussion...
Gamers are physically incapable of expressing their thoughts on games without comparing/bashing some other game or sneaking in their important hot take somewhere. Online gaming discourse is a disease.
The battle system was pretty wacky and turned me away from the game.
It may be because I prefer more true turn-based battle systems, but this left me with little to no time to actually strategically pick the action that I wanted.
It may be because I prefer more true turn-based battle systems, but this left me with little to no time to actually strategically pick the action that I wanted.
I woke up today wondering to myself "I really want to see an out the left field bad take today on two games that I really enjoyed." And this thread delivered.
I really enjoyed NNK on the PS3 back in 2013 but only because I was really in the mood for that kind of game at the time. I thought the battle system was fine, its own glaring problem being accounting for the length of animations when giving commands. I don't know if I'd want to play through it again. I haven't gotten to DQ11 yet though.
What I liked about NNK was it felt like a SNES JRPG evolved to modern standards in terms of graphics and 3D exploration. Maybe it was the fact that it was the first console JRPG I'd played with a traversible world map in a LONG time and the first traversible world map I'd seen in HD graphics.
You can't compare the music. NNK has Joe Hisaishi and that's just cheating.
What I liked about NNK was it felt like a SNES JRPG evolved to modern standards in terms of graphics and 3D exploration. Maybe it was the fact that it was the first console JRPG I'd played with a traversible world map in a LONG time and the first traversible world map I'd seen in HD graphics.
You can't compare the music. NNK has Joe Hisaishi and that's just cheating.
I gave up about halfway through Ni No Kuni on its original release as some issues just really soured me on it. It's been a while, but iirc, bringing out a new familiar affected Oliver's stats, which then made him useless in combat. I ended up just relying on a few standards and not bothering to level new familiars.
Aside from that, I kept coming up against this thing where, in a boss fight, I'd try to pick someone up with a phoenix feather, and then, before it got used, the boss would telegraph its big move and cut to a short cutscene. When I regained control, my feather would be gone, but my party member would still be KO'd. I don't know if it was a weird bug that I was really unlucky to have happen a number of times, because I've never heard of anyone else experiencing that, but those feathers were pretty expensive iirc, and it was pretty gutting to just have them basically go missing a bunch of times.
It was really disappointing for me, because I love jrpgs and adore Ghibli. I was so excited for it. I still have my Wizard's Edition!
Aside from that, I kept coming up against this thing where, in a boss fight, I'd try to pick someone up with a phoenix feather, and then, before it got used, the boss would telegraph its big move and cut to a short cutscene. When I regained control, my feather would be gone, but my party member would still be KO'd. I don't know if it was a weird bug that I was really unlucky to have happen a number of times, because I've never heard of anyone else experiencing that, but those feathers were pretty expensive iirc, and it was pretty gutting to just have them basically go missing a bunch of times.
It was really disappointing for me, because I love jrpgs and adore Ghibli. I was so excited for it. I still have my Wizard's Edition!
I played NNK to completion back around the time it came out on PS3 and even beat the secret boss in the postgame and I enjoyed my time with it... But I don't think I could tell you a single thing that happened in that game. It's good but ultimately pretty forgettable.
Mr. Drippy wouldn't want you slamming DQXI to prop up NNK. That being said, I love the game warts and all. It and Xenoblade basically saved JRPG's for me that generation (I own Lost Odyssey, I still need to play it).
I have played NNK twice (3ds and PS3), but I am 40 hours in my play through of DQXI (I bought it at launch but stopped playing after prologue). Even though I have been moving through DQ at a quick clip, I can already tell this game is way too long. NNK slightly felt like the story was dragging, but I think that the cities were much more interesting, so I never complained. The music is no comparison. I love DQs music, but NNK gets the win. As for story, both games feature the trope of the wicked woman, but DQ uses it at every opportunity (along with other horrible innuendos). With that said, I think NNK was trying to do something very different than DQ, and it succeeded. DQXI was just trying to be more DQ, and i think it succeeds at that, but, after so many installments, its nothing special.
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So I just arrived in Nevermore and it's making me nauseous as hell. I'm not even sure if I can finish the game Jesus Christ
