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Oct 27, 2017
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OTTAWA -- When Donald Trump won the presidential election in November 2016, many Americans threw up their hands and threatened to flee north of the border to live out the rest of their days in chillier climes.

And according to new figures from the government, some of them may have actually followed through on that threat.

Canada saw an uptick in Americans trying to move to Canada following Trump's win, according to the new figures from Immigration Canada.

In 2015, a little over 6,800 Americans tried to apply for permanent residency in Canada, followed by just over 7,700 in 2016.

But in 2017, the year of Trump's inauguration, that figure jumped to over 9,000.

The number has yet to dip below 8,700 in the years since, although 2020 is on track to fall far below the years previous — likely related to the COVID-19 pandemic, which has seen borders shutter and travel restricted.

Immigration Canada cautioned that the numbers are "preliminary" and "subject to change."

Chantal Desloges, a Canadian immigration lawyer, says the modest increase "doesn't surprise" her — though she said it's not an "extreme" trend.

"We get a lot of applications from expats in the U.S. who've been working there or studying there, and now find that the immigration policies in the U.S. are so restrictive that Canada is a much more attractive destination," Desloges told CTVNews.ca in a phone interview.

Desloges said that after Trump was elected, she got a number of inquiries at her firm from Americans considering taking the jump.

"This happened at our firm when Trump was elected as well — you get a lot of consultations, right? People say they're just kind of putting out some feelers to see if they're qualified," she said.

"I had for example a Muslim man, you know, highly educated professional, little bit older with a family, well established in the U.S., [who] said, 'you know what? I'm not comfortable living here anymore as a Muslim.'"

Andrew Carvajal, an immigration lawyer who works at the same firm as Desloges, said he received similar calls — and a lot more of them, compared to the pre-Trump days.

He said he received roughly "four times" as many calls from U.S. residents considering a move to Canada once Trump was elected

He said that, for example, some members of the LGBTQ+ community who were exploring a move to Canada said during their consultation that they "don't know what's going to happen" with the "federal government" in the United States.

Carvajal said he also recently got a call from an American pastor who had been living in Canada for two years.

"During the consultation, he really said, 'as a Black person in the U.S., I just don't want to go back.' This was within the context of everything that's happening right now, he's just like 'I really want to stay in Canada, I want my children to stay in Canada,'" Carvajal said.

Desloges noted, however, that for someone to pull the trigger and actually pack up to move to Canada, there usually have be other factors at play.

"We haven't found a great deal of just random Americans saying I'm getting out of here, I want to go somewhere else. It's been more of, people who have a historical connection to Canada who are now saying okay, you know, I've had enough of this," she said.

"It's an emotional reaction at the beginning, but then once reality sinks in, you know, people usually decide to stay where they are."

Desloges explained that any reading of these monthly figures should be tempered by the fact that Canada has a system where it controls the flow of economic immigration applications by telling prospective applicants when they can apply — not the other way around.

"People don't decide on their own when their application goes in. They have to get an invitation from the government, and when the government sends that invitation, the person has only 90 days to perfect it or else they lose their chance," Desloges said.

"As soon as they have capacity to take a thousand more applications, they send out a thousand more invitations."

Still, Desloges says her firm has felt an increase in inquiries from Americans toying with taking the big jump across the Canada-U.S. border — more so than they've felt in the wake of previous elections.

www.ctvnews.ca

'I'm not comfortable living here': More Americans did actually try to move to Canada since Trump's 2016 election

When Donald Trump won the presidential election in November 2016, many Americans threw up their hands and threatened to flee north of the border to live out the rest of their days in chillier climes.
 

Chopchop

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Oct 25, 2017
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I hope the ones that moved do well here.

It's understandable that even though a lot of people are unhappy with living in the US, it's hard to actually leave. Most people can't just leave all their friends and family like that.
 

Sunster

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Oct 5, 2018
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we have concentration camps at the border and have been relentlessly bombing civilians for decades. this is just straight up a bad country.
 

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ChrisR

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Oct 26, 2017
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If Trump does win again I'd strongly consider attempting to immigrate to Canada. It's a wonderful country for the most part.
 

Ryuelli

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Oct 26, 2017
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I just found out last week that I might be able to get Canadian citizenship since my mom was born in Ontario. I'm definitely looking into dual citizenship, just in case.
 

killerrin

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Oct 25, 2017
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People try to forget. But the moment that Donald Trump won until like 4 months later. Our immigration website was hit with so much traffic it was taken offline
 

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If he wins again, I am definitely out of here. Election won't be the deciding factor if Biden wins, but it definitely will be if he doesn't. I will be moving regardless once covid is over, but the result of the elections will likely factor into how far. I'm not sure if Canada is #1 on my list, but at the very least better than staying here should he win again.
 

Jombie

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Oct 27, 2017
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I would if I could. I can't divorce myself from the horror of daily headlines, and it's been disastrous for my mental health.
 

Mintaro

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To those thinking of coming here do understand that is it very difficult to be granted entry towards a citizenship or permanent resident path
 

maxxpower

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It's essentially impossible so I don't even bother trying anymore. If they would accept me as a brown refugee then now we're talking.
 
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RomanticHeroX

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To those thinking of coming here do understand that is it very difficult to be granted entry towards a citizenship or permanent resident path
This is definitely something people don't understand. Trumpers say if you don't like America you can leave, but it's a tremendously difficult and expensive thing to do, even after being mentally prepared to sever ties with your country and community.
 
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I am not sure that leaving the nation with one of the largest nuclear stockpiles in the hands of frothing fascists is the best course of action, but everyone has to guage their own health and wellbeing.
 

DarthWalden

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Oct 27, 2017
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I know now quite what the OP is saying but pretty much all of my Canadian freinds that were living in American have either moved back or are planning to move back in part because of Americans handle of COVID, As well as all the protests.
 
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I hope the ones that moved do well here.

It's understandable that even though a lot of people are unhappy with living in the US, it's hard to actually leave. Most people can't just leave all their friends and family like that.
It's not even social ties, it's legitimately difficult to leave from the US to another country.
 

shinobi602

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I would seriously consider it if I was single without kids. It's just hard to uproot my family.
 

Siyou

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Oct 27, 2017
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Regardless of the results, I've felt an absolute amount of discomfort in America. I'm out when covid's over.
 

Cipherr

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Oct 26, 2017
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Definitely want to move there in retirement.

Country has long been going to shit, but whats more important is the outlook. You cant get the fucking people to even agree to at least vote. They pretend that you have offended them and their entire family line when you ask them to vote to help and try and either make things better, or at least turn the steering wheel and angle the car away from the cliff.

Its getting fucking OLD. And its pretty fucking clear where that attitude spreading is going to lead. The apathy and the 'burn it all down' people will eventually succeed when working in tandem (whether intended or not) with the right and things like disenfranchisement and voter suppression. This won't be a country we want to live in when we retire. Canada for certain, its even better poised to handle the now inevitable climate change.

Its not perfect or some magically liberal fairy land, but its trajectory is WAY better.

The American people have stopped giving a fuck. And theres nothing this country seems to hate more than Democrats in particular. Both the right and the far left. That sort of situation is bound to come to a clearly predictable head eventually.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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I didn't even use my boots last Winter!

It was 12-16C(53 to 60F) earlier this year in late February/early March in Toronto(the snow melted quickly). And then of course the madness of that high 35 C/low 40(95 F to 104F) summer that pretty much lasted from the end of May to the first week of this month.

Now, apparently it's going to be a long fall/autumn.

www.cp24.com

Lengthy, enjoyable fall season likely for most of Canada, weather experts predict

Canadians can look forward to a lengthy, pleasant fall that won't give way to early winter temperatures and storms, according to one of the country's top weather forecasters.
 

Saganator

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Oct 26, 2017
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I don't have the means so I'll just deal with whatever bullshit thrown my way because that's what us plebs do.
 

SabinFigaro

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Oct 27, 2017
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I actually just did the reverse and moved to the US from Canada, for work, as I was unable to find a job in my field.

My wife has mixed feelings, although we're still quite close to the border. I've spent a lot of time in the US, and was actually living here during the 2016 election.

It's quite difficult to get across either side of the border. For anyone who wants to immigrate for work, life or political beliefs, I wish them the best.
 

Kthulhu

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's sounds like a good chunk aren't US citizens. Not great for US immigration but not really a sign Americans are bailing on their own country.
 

Scottt

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Oct 25, 2017
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How do you define "community"? What happens when you are no longer welcome in the community? What happens when the community does not support you or does not support people like you?

Oh I wasn't referring to those who don't feel welcome or supported themselves, but to the rest of their community who doesn't provide them with welcome and safety. To "fight for your people" is meant for those to ensure a person is safe, welcome, and free from oppression as an integral member of a community.
 

ChrisR

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Oct 26, 2017
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To those thinking of coming here do understand that is it very difficult to be granted entry towards a citizenship or permanent resident path
I know it's not as easy as flying into Vancouver and staying put, but as someone who would hopefully have zero issues being gainfully employed I think I'd be able to work towards it eventually if things came to it.
 

Red

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Oct 26, 2017
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Oh I wasn't referring to those who don't feel welcome or supported themselves, but to the rest of their community who doesn't provide them with welcome and safety. To "fight for your people" is meant for those to ensure a person is safe, welcome, and free from oppression as an integral member of a community.
I think this is a nice idea, but I can't fault anyone for leaving a bad community when such an opportunity arises.
 

Dark Mantonio

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Nov 1, 2017
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I've definitely been keeping a side-eye at Canada from Detroit for the last four years. I haven't investigated the nuts-and-bolts of immigrating but my grandfather was a Canadian citizen and so was my girlfriend's grandfather so wishful thinking that would buy us a little consideration if it came to it. I hear it's tough though.
 

Sunster

The Fallen
Oct 5, 2018
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This is sad. Fight for your people.
America is like the fictional town of Pawnee, Indiana in the show Parks and Recreation. The citizens of Pawnee don't give a shit about anything or anyone but themselves. They are not interested in improving in the slightest. Leslie Knope dedicates most of her adult life to serving them and they vote her out the first chance they get after being easily swindled by a celebrity.