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I'm getting fed up with Nintendo's multiplayer this generation, local and online alike
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Well, I don't KNOW it, but come on. Nintendo doesn't think it needs to be "fixed." In their mind it is working as intended. Do you honestly think they will change this?
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Me and my fiancé are stuck on a single system, don't think we play the Switch enough to justify getting a second system either (with the extra costs tied to extra copies and whatnot, especially). Sucks there's often so many limitations. Also, speaking of AC, I think you can't even play local co-op and online combined.
Yes. Why? because they made QoL improvements in their games before. What the fuck will make Animal Crossing any different?
So far I just see you trying to shut down discussion because you're tired of meanies picking on poor Nintendo without telling them how to do their jobs better
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It's not the customer's job to fix a multi-million dollar megacorp's product. The onus is on the toy company to make good toys. If you want to do unpaid market research for them, that's your prerogative, but if all you have to offer is whining about how others' criticism doesn't clear your own internal hurdle of constructiveness, you should probably bail on the thread, as zero people on this board voted for you to be the arbiter of what criticism is allowed to be brought against companies that make expensive toys
I know they were very bad but i lost all hope after seeing this from them:
Like what the fuck is that, seriously.
Like what the fuck is that, seriously.
Switch online is a damned dumpster fire compared to their competitionI know they were very bad but i lost all hope after seeing this from them:
Like what the fuck is that, seriously.
a shared family plan is the only reason i pay for Switch Online since the service itself is so crummy it's barely worth $5.
it's telling when Nintendo's best online games right now are ports from Wii U. most of the Switch specific games have lots of issues and stuff.
multiplayer is something i like less and less with the pass of time so i guess it's not really that much of a problem since i do single player games mainly.
it's telling when Nintendo's best online games right now are ports from Wii U. most of the Switch specific games have lots of issues and stuff.
multiplayer is something i like less and less with the pass of time so i guess it's not really that much of a problem since i do single player games mainly.
That really bugged me. I was so ready to get into super mario party and I had online friends who were waiting for it too. But once we heard it would be limited we just gave up on it. It's sad really because I usually enjoy my time with mario party games.
I never said the customer should fix it.
And I never was.
Are you seriously suggesting people should be telling Nintendo how to improve their service? That's Nintendo's job.
Sure, let's go with that.
"It doesn't effect me much so it's not that big a problem" seems to be a theme this week.
This thread is entirely justified. Nintendo used to be the go-to brand for local multiplayer, and I think that's been sadly neglected. The online service is a joke, they should have built on what they had created with Miiverse instead of binning it. Sony and Microsoft's online ecoystems are clearly more refined. The lack of a more mature online experience just reinforces the nintendo = for kids trope.
Fanboys are a plague. Honestly, expect and demand better from things you pay for. Every single platform has issues, and there is zero redeeming value in defending Nintendo/Steam/Xbox/whatever for their shitty practices.
With Nintendo, it's a laundry list of incompetence. There's a friend list on Switch, which I genuinely do not understand the purpose of. Adding people is a hassle involving a ridiculous code (remember chatting on ICQ in the 90s? Yeah.) I can't message people on it. I can't voice chat with them either. I can't join their gameplay session from it. Hell, there's first-party games which completely sidestep the friends list and have their own in-game contact list (Animal Crossing for instance). The console didn't even ship with a damn Ethernet jack, just to guarantee that most people in any given lobby are going to be on a garbage connection. And of course, the Switch uses some of the worst Wifi I've ever used in a modern device - slow speeds, terrible at roaming between access points...
It really feels like it's just not a priority. Which would've sucked but would still be fine... if they weren't charging money for it. But corporations will do the absolute bare minimum effort to make a dollar, which I get. Fanboys defending explaining and handwaving it all? That's just insane.
With Nintendo, it's a laundry list of incompetence. There's a friend list on Switch, which I genuinely do not understand the purpose of. Adding people is a hassle involving a ridiculous code (remember chatting on ICQ in the 90s? Yeah.) I can't message people on it. I can't voice chat with them either. I can't join their gameplay session from it. Hell, there's first-party games which completely sidestep the friends list and have their own in-game contact list (Animal Crossing for instance). The console didn't even ship with a damn Ethernet jack, just to guarantee that most people in any given lobby are going to be on a garbage connection. And of course, the Switch uses some of the worst Wifi I've ever used in a modern device - slow speeds, terrible at roaming between access points...
It really feels like it's just not a priority. Which would've sucked but would still be fine... if they weren't charging money for it. But corporations will do the absolute bare minimum effort to make a dollar, which I get. Fanboys defending explaining and handwaving it all? That's just insane.
No it hasn't.
Agreed. Except nobody's really defending Nintendo's Online here, so why even bring this up?
Who said I was in denial?
Just hit ignore thread. This level of denial can't be healthy and is genuinely concerning and I'm not even trying to be funny saying that.
I agree with everything you wrote, but especially the bolded. The Wifi in the Switch is like, truly awful.
Go reread every single one of your posts made in this thread NOW.
Lol. I remember first seeing this and thought it was parodyI know they were very bad but i lost all hope after seeing this from them:
Like what the fuck is that, seriously.
I'm happy with most of Nintendo's output but disappointed by the lack of good mp options outside of smash and Mario Kart. I'm mainly relying on good third party titles for the good coop/vs local experiences. I'm not even told concerned about online. My bigger concern is Nintendo not making enough good local 2-4p experiences themselves. There are even fewer that take advantage of the Switch's capabilities. The only two that spring to mind are pokemon (a very light 2p mode) and Super Mario party(some of the best minigames in the series lumped up with some of the worst boards in the series)
Step 1: contest the assertion that Nintendo has dropped the ball on multiplayer
Step 2: assert that nobody is defending Nintendo here
*Make sure to follow steps 1 and 2 in the very same post for maximum effect.
BONUS: Step 3: make sure to state that you are not, in fact, in denial in the same post.
Well ... they got ARMS right for the most part. But there are definitely a good amount of games, mainly Pokemon, where I'm like "this was miles better on the 3DS".
The way Animal Crossing's online works makes sense to me. Note that this is not to say that it's good or that there couldn't be a better implementation of it that kept the same goals. But I can see the reason it works like it does; it's doing something very different than a game like UT is.
It is extremely concerned about the fact that all of the up to 8 people involved have their local save files in sync, with no items getting lost or duped. It also has a unique map being hosted by one of the players; I wouldn't be surprised if the entire point of the long waiting animation is just so the joining player has a paused world state to load.
It is extremely concerned about the fact that all of the up to 8 people involved have their local save files in sync, with no items getting lost or duped. It also has a unique map being hosted by one of the players; I wouldn't be surprised if the entire point of the long waiting animation is just so the joining player has a paused world state to load.
It's a shame that it's difficult to impossible to voice these concerns directly to NOJ.
It boggles my mind how a company that's spent decades in the business is so indifferent to improving the online functionality of their games.
It boggles my mind how a company that's spent decades in the business is so indifferent to improving the online functionality of their games.
The first thing they need to do is move away from p2p.
That said, I have played more multiplayer than I haven on Switch in part because of f2p service games like Fortnite, Warframe etc. All are good ports and exist on Switch, something that didn't exist on prior consoles.
This threads complaint seems like a reaction to clubhouse games not having enough online options than anything else.
That said, I have played more multiplayer than I haven on Switch in part because of f2p service games like Fortnite, Warframe etc. All are good ports and exist on Switch, something that didn't exist on prior consoles.
This threads complaint seems like a reaction to clubhouse games not having enough online options than anything else.
I can't say that their local MP stuff has really bothered me but that restriction on Clubgames sounds extremely dumb. Something to consider when/if my girlfriend and I get it.
As far as online is concerned, I've really only played Tetris 99, Splatoon 2 and Arms online and those online modes have worked relatively flawless for me so far. Smash Bros. Ultimate otoh might as well not have an online mode at all and Animal Crossing... well, let's just say that I'm glad that I am not a poweruser. It's definitely the one area where they need the most work and I'm not confident it's going to get much better at all.
As far as online is concerned, I've really only played Tetris 99, Splatoon 2 and Arms online and those online modes have worked relatively flawless for me so far. Smash Bros. Ultimate otoh might as well not have an online mode at all and Animal Crossing... well, let's just say that I'm glad that I am not a poweruser. It's definitely the one area where they need the most work and I'm not confident it's going to get much better at all.
* Added Join Game Functionality
* Introduced Free Games like Tetris 99
* Rolled out Game Trials for full games
* Added SNES games after people were tired of NES games for a year
Baby Steps, but its something at least.
As much as I appreciate Tetris 99 and some of the NSO games (for a really low price if you share a family subscription), I don't think this stuff really makes up for some of the more glaring omissions and really weird design decisions when it comes to online modes. Smash Ultimate is more of an issue with netcode rather than their online system per se but it's pretty obvious that the online experience on Switch isn't nearly as pleasant as it could and should be. And as others have already outlined, in some aspects it's even a step back over the Wii U which is honestly just baffling. The time for baby steps was a decade ago.
Online I can understand. But local? Nintendo is the best way to go when you want to invite some friends over
Not disagreeing, but a lot of the problems people are expressing here with games like Animal Crossing, are game specific. The Service itself has problems, but you can't fix an online service if you can't also fix the games that don't do online well either. In any case, it's inaccurate to say that Nintendo isn't at least improving the service. There's still a lot more to do, but they aren't doing nothing like people here like to say. However, more of their games need to have better options, and games with poor netcode shouldn't even be a thing from them. Ultimate's online is crap, but that's because Sora/Bamco can't code a good Smash netcode if their lives depended on it.
I think when people criticize Nintendo's "online" they talk about the online experience in general, not just the "system". To the average user the distinction is completely meaningless anyway so I don't think it makes much sense to talk about semantics or technicalities.
I always see this types of threads and I haven't had problem with Switch online. Pokemon( the battles) run fine, the world is the one that lag, but I think that's more the game than the online. My experience with Smash is that is has gotten better, at first there was a lot of lag, but I try at least to play between 15-20 matches a week and if I get one or two matches with lag is a lot. My wife has played CTR for more than 800 hours and the online looks fine, no problem other than people quitting. AC is clunky as hell, but my guess is, that that is the charm of the game. Mario Kart is awesome and haven't heard problems with Splatoon. The only two games that complains are there is Smash and multiplayer Mario Maker, which I never played. I only play other people's courses.
I've been fed up with them since the Wii. Online Brawl was a crushing disappointment on top of their failure to match industry standards for basic online service offerings (no chat, friend codes, terrible shop, etc). They're still more committed to local MP than any other company, for which I give them due credit, but I have no expectation when I buy a game or system from them that the online mode will be worth consideration. I don't even trust their ecosystem enough to buy games digitally. They simply don't give a fuck.
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Which just proves that the whole situation regarding criticism of Nintendo Switch Online lacks nuance. Which is the point I've been trying to hammer home. People regarding Nintendo's online just say the same shit over and over, with nothing new being said. And I get it, you want to vent and that's fine. But if you're just going to keep complaining about it and not offer anything of substance, then what's the point?
But you can tell by the way Nintendo manage e-sport that being dropped by the biggest fighting event of the year is more likely good news for them.
They won't fix smash online. Smash is a local multiplayer game. Why would people play online?
I think we can start asking for nuance once Nintendo gets their "online" (system and experience in general) to a level where it compares at least somewhat favourably to what the competition is offering.
Oh Joy, the "Nintendo hates competitive Smash" nonsense again that has no actual basis in reality.
And that starts with people actually exchanging ideas and suggestions with each other on what they think should be fixed. If you're going to be complaining about Nintendo's online for the 30th time, you might as well offer any ideas on how to fix it.
Yup, completely agree. Nintendo's online is so insane I don't get how anyone can pay for it and say it's worth it (regardless of price). Online clearly isn't a priority with them. Fortunately I only really play SP games, or local co-op with 1 other. For anything online, no thank you.
Same here. I don't really value online play too much, so it's not that big of a deal for me. But this was just bizarre.I know they were very bad but i lost all hope after seeing this from them:
Like what the fuck is that, seriously.
I just payed 20€ to play Animal Crossing with my friends and it was one of the worst experiences trying to connect to someone and getting it started just to realize how barebones and limited it is. And well Co-op was a miserable experience as well. I dont get how this game just dont support cloud saves at all and if your Switch breaks all saves are gone. What the hell im even paying for?
Most of the solutions are already "included" in the criticism because they are basically just the opposite of the issues:
- The Switch doesn't have system-level voice chat for first-party games --> have system-level voice chat for first-party games
- The Switch doesn't allow you to message friends on your friend list --> allow messaging for friends on your friend list
- etc.
It's been over three years since the Switch has been out and some of the most egregious issues still persist and somehow Nintendo keeps introducing new stuff so there's really nothing left to do but to either keep complaining or just shut up.
Then what's the point of making yet another thread about this? I mean, I get being vocal about an issue, but I swear, this is 7th thread this month about Nintendo Online being bad, and nothing new hasn't been said. Its beating a dead horse at this point.