I'm beginning to feel like winning the 2020 election is all that matters, even if we have to 'settle' on a lesser candidate to do so.

[Exellus]

I feel constantly nervous and scared about the future. Like at any given moment a mudslide of lies will lead to the end of the country forever.

I just want Trump and McConnell gone. That's it. I don't care who does it. If Biden can deliver the Senate, I don't give a fuck what he does in office. As long as these two are no longer in government, please just go take it all away.

The day these two old coots pass I will mark on my calendar and celebrate every damn year. They had better bury them in private cemeteries because I'd love to pay a visit and piss on their tombstones someday.

 

[Masoyama]

There will be way worse, way smarter fascists in power within your lifetime. Add climate change and sociological changes and the Trump era will look absolutely rosy in a couple decades.

 

[TaySan]

I will vote for whoever wins the nomination and everyone should as well. Trump is worse than anything on our side.
Don't let perfection get in the way of an improvement.

 

[Tbm24]

Honestly should have been your first thought the day after the 2016 election.

 

[Mulciber]

I will also vote for whoever wins the nomination.

Following this week's vote in the UK, I am feeling our chances of winning against Trump are around 1-3%. I will still vote.

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Yes, this post might be stupid. I'm just so fucking bummed out about the UK vote. I'm sure I will start feeling more hopeful for the US soon.

 

[Trigonometrize]

Nah, Warren should be the nominee. She's smart, genuine, and less likely to win, but I don't care

 

[Raccoon]

There will be way worse, way smarter fascists in power within your lifetime. Add climate change and sociological changes and the Trump era will look absolutely rosy in a couple decades.

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oh cool thanks

pardon me what the fuck

 

[Davilmar]

Honestly should have been your first thought the day after the 2016 election.

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Correction. Should have been the main idea during the 2016 election. Not after.

 

[Brazil]

Electoralism is never "all that matters". Fight to get Trump out of power, yes, but don't treat that as the be-all and end-all, or you'll end up completely neutered as a political agent if it doesn't work out the way you want it to.

 

[Tbm24]

Correction. Should have been the main idea during the 2016 election. Not after.

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I didn't want to say it because I'm still dealing with depression over it.

 

[GiantEnemyGoomba]

Seems like it's probably Biden, maybe Sanders, Warren, or Butty and I'll have zero issue voting for any of them. Once the primary's over, I won't be super interested in comparing them anymore until they're in office.

 

[Davilmar]

I didn't want to say it because I'm still dealing with depression over it.

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You and me both.

 

[PennyStonks]

Nah It is probably already over. The senate is a R majority and they've already proven they don't give a fuck.

 

[ADS]

Morons who weren't willing to come out for Hillary even if she wasn't perfect caused Trump.

Don't be like those morons.

 

[UberTag]

Biden is going to be the nom. It's just a matter of whether a Senate victory is in the cards.
It's absolutely imperative that you get it because otherwise there's no coming back from the precipice that American democracy presently resides upon.

 

[deimosmasque]

Vote for who you want in the primary.

Rally behind the winning candidate in the general election.

That's sort of how it's been since the beginning of the primary system.

 

[Exellus]

Morons who weren't willing to come out for Hillary even if she wasn't perfect caused Trump.

Don't be like those morons.

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I plan on voting straight ticket Dem until the day I die, every damn year, every single election, even off-year. Fuck the GOP. I hope someday in my lifetime I see the party no longer exist. It's happened before. I hope it happens again.

I only hold out hope, that every 2 years, a few GOP voters disappear and a few new Democrat voters begin participating, and that slowly but surely things will keep shifting in the right direction.

I only wish it was shifting faster.

 

[Deleted member 17092]

Nah, Warren should be the nominee. She's smart, genuine, and less likely to win, but I don't care

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I agree, I hope she gets the nom but I'll vote for whoever does.

I do worry now not even in the back of my head but full frontal that she will lose to trump though.

so it kinda sucks. Like basically nov 2016 all over again

 

[Masoyama]

oh cool thanks

pardon me what the fuck

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Once global warming really starts affecting the first world, ethno fascists are gonna make a HUGe comeback. Wouldn't be surprised if colonialism makes a comeback and the big powers start invading and taking over land that is still good snd comfortable.

 

[ADS]

I plan on voting straight ticket Dem until the day I die, every damn year, every single election, even off-year. Fuck the GOP. I hope someday in my lifetime I see the party no longer exist. It's happened before. I hope it happens again.

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You and me both. Even if the dem is clinically insane or a literal bag of shit they're getting my vote over anybody with an 'R' next to their name.

 

[dragonbane]

There will be way worse, way smarter fascists in power within your lifetime. Add climate change and sociological changes and the Trump era will look absolutely rosy in a couple decades.

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Sadly this. Trump sucks ass but it will get worse folks

 

[Dekim]

If Biden wins the nomination, I expect him to win. Then I expect him to serve a single term before either being forced to not run again due to clear cognitive decline from the stress of the job, or Trump 2.0 defeating him in the 2024 election. By 2025, I would not be surprised if we're back to full GOP control of the government.

 

[carlsojo]

Getting Trump out is all that matters.

 

[Kid Heart]

Vote for whoever you want in the Primary. That's the time to pick whoever is closest to your values.

Vote for whoever wins the primary in the general, because picking someone closer to your values is better then letting the one farthest away win.

 

[Exellus]

You and me both. Even if the dem is clinically insane or a literal bag of shit they're getting my vote over anybody with an 'R' next to their name.

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Someone labeling themselves and Republican is all I need to know about a person to know what type of character they have.

And I know for certainty I'm going to be donating $100 to whoever McConnell's opponent ends up being, and $100 to whoever Trump's opponent ends up being. Bumper stickers, yard signs, all that shit.

 

[Exellus]

If Biden wins the nomination, I expect him to win. Then I expect him to serve a single term before either being forced to due to clear cognitive decline from the stress of the job, or Trump 2.0 defeating him in the 2024 election. By 2025, I would not be surprised that we're back to full GOP control of the government.

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I can see that happening too, but we will have 4 more years of younger voters beginning to participate in politics, and 4 more years of Boomers dying off (sorry not sorry) to shift demographics. It helps, at least a little.

 

[Earvin Infinity]

Nah, Warren should be the nominee. She's smart, genuine, and less likely to win, but I don't care

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I hope she gets the nomination too.

 

[Deleted member 5359]

Of course. I dislike Biden vs. the rest of the field, for example. But if he gets the nom you better believe I'll vote for him. Trump absolutely cannot get another term.

 

[Nida]

Is there a way to see how many people have registered as Democrats and how many have registered as Republicans since 2016?

 

[SlickShoesRUCRazy]

We can't lose RBGs to a right wing bitch

 

[onyx]

I'm voting for whoever wins the nom. Trump has to go. Mich also has to go. Really all of the current GOP members need to go , but Mich and Trump the most.

 

[Kay]

There will be way worse, way smarter fascists in power within your lifetime. Add climate change and sociological changes and the Trump era will look absolutely rosy in a couple decades.

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Yep. Only hope is to vote in someone who can organise and strengthen ground level leftist and Labor power structures and there's only one candidate who's running with that goal.

 

[T0M]

I highly doubt any candidate can break Biden's firewall of Black voters atm. They have the same idea as you OP, win at all costs, even if it's someone you may not care for.

Being Black in America during the Obama and Trump eras makes one conscious of being too hopeful.

 

[onadesertedisland]

The current incarnation of the republican party is a threat to humanity. It must be defeated just like prior threats.

 

[Exellus]

I highly doubt any candidate can break Biden's firewall of Black voters atm. They have the same idea as you OP, win at all costs, even if it's someone you may not care for.

Being Black in America during the Obama and Trump eras makes one conscious of being too hopeful.

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Still, I'll take slow (very slow) but steady progress over a return to colonialism.

 

[Dekim]

I can see that happening too, but we will have 4 more years of younger voters beginning to participate in politics, and 4 more years of Boomers dying off (sorry not sorry) to shift demographics. It helps, at least a little.

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Sorry, but this sounds like fool's gold. Waiting for all the old people to die off and the younger, more progressive people to take over has been a soothing notion among liberals for decades to feel better after another bitter defeat. That has never been the case, nor will it ever be the case.

 

[pigeon]

I will also vote for whoever wins the nomination.

Following this week's vote in the UK, I am feeling our chances of winning against Trump are around 1-3%. I will still vote.

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Yes, this post might be stupid. I'm just so fucking bummed out about the UK vote. I'm sure I will start feeling more hopeful for the US soon.

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I think being motivated is good, but if you're feeling overwhelmed with depression, one thing to keep in mind is that the polls showed the Tories ahead for the entire election period, and have showed Trump way behind for the entire primary to date.

Electoralism is never "all that matters". Fight to get Trump out of power, yes, but don't treat that as the be-all and end-all, or you'll end up completely neutered as a political agent if it doesn't work out the way you want it to.

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I mean, it's clear why you don't think getting Trump out of power is a very high priority, since you prefer his foreign policy, but for those of us who actually live here it probably matters a little more.

 

[Exellus]

Sorry, but this sounds like fool's gold. Waiting for all the old people to die off and the younger, more progressive people to take over has been a soothing notion among liberals for decades to feel better after another bitter defeat. That has never been the case, nor will it ever be the case.

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I know everyone says you get more conservative as you age, but I don't think Millenials will do that. Not after what's happened to our generation. I think the GOP has fucked us over too hard for that.

 

[Deleted member 3093]

Losing the 2020 election would be one of the worst things that could possibly happen. We can't keep doing what we've been doing for the past four years.

 

[demondance]

Thankfully Bernie Sanders is very popular, electable, and polls as strong as Biden against Trump. Easy choice!

 

[pigeon]

I know everyone says you get more conservative as you age, but I don't think Millenials will do that. Not after what's happened to our generation. I think the GOP has fucked us over too hard for that.

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There's actually no evidence of this, despite the mythology. People mostly stay the same politically as they age, although they go through various life stages (getting married, buying property) that can affect their politics. Luckily millenials aren't doing any of those things.

 

[Umbrella Carp]

I feel constantly nervous and scared about the future. Like at any given moment a mudslide of lies will lead to the end of the country forever.

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There will be way worse, way smarter fascists in power within your lifetime. Add climate change and sociological changes and the Trump era will look absolutely rosy in a couple decades.

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[Masoyama]

I know everyone says you get more conservative as you age, but I don't think Millenials will do that. Not after what's happened to our generation. I think the GOP has fucked us over too hard for that.

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Wait until you get millenials in postions of power and they spin their hatred and racism as taking back control of your country after Gen X fucked you and gave it away. Its really easy to pin the crisis and debt catastrophe on others and foreigners.

 

[pigeon]

Wait until you get millenials in postions of power and they spin their hatred and racism as taking back control of your country after Gen X fucked you and gave it away. Its really easy to pin the crisis and debt catastrophe on others and foreigners.

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Luckily, 44% of millenials are people of color, which is why they are the most progressive generation of Americans (or were, until zoomers).

 

[thecouncil]

has "this centrist sucks but theyre our best chance so I'll vote for them in the primary" ever worked out?

mans what the fuck is Biden beyond "I'm not Trump. You have to vote for me"? Does he have a single policy idea?

 

[GamerJM]

Fuck that. We need to make progress. Beating Trump is the bare minimum.

 

[Equippedwithtowel]

Still, I'll take slow (very slow) but steady progress over a return to colonialism.

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First off "return to" is debatable considering how the global economy is structured.

More importantly status quo liberalism and ecofacsim are going to converge sooner then you think.

 

[Exellus]

has "this centrist sucks but theyre our best chance so I'll vote for them in the primary" ever worked out?

mans what the fuck is Biden beyond "I'm not Trump. You have to vote for me"? Does he have a single policy idea?

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I learned ages ago that America is more sexist than it is racist. That's how shit is. Biden has a better GE chance than Hillary did. He's male, and less people seem to outright hate him.

 

[Addie]

Will happily vote and donate for whoever the Democratic nominee is. (I cannot canvass for them because I am a federal employee.)

I suppose, depending on your definitions, that I am progressive but not a self-avowed leftist. Thus, if the nominee is Biden and his message is "let's go back to where we were," I don't find that sufficient, and I think that continuing to push a message even towards a sitting President is effecive.

In other words, I'm happy with a return to normalcy provided it's coupled with an actionable plan for progress.

 

[bad poster]

Still, I'll take slow (very slow) but steady progress over a return to colonialism.

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i don't know if it's accurate to characterise these disagreements as being over the speed of progress rather than its direction

or that democrats wouldn't seek to further a colonialist united states