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I'm a jaded JRPG gamer: sell me on Persona 5
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I didn't like Persona 4. Primarily because:
1) I disliked the JPop esque music
2) I despise the village setting
3) The presentation didn't sit with me, characters looked off with huge heads and paper thin bodies. Almost chibi like vibe.
4) Despised the dungeons which were just endless corridors palette swapped (Atleast this is still more than what I can say about Persona 3's dungeon which is the same from start to finish)
Persona 5 on the other hand, is my favourite game of all time. I LOVE the presentation of that game, it's the most stylish game I've ever played. Plus the acid jazz music is just amazing ! Just listen to these, I can't even decide which one to post because there are so many good ones:
1) I disliked the JPop esque music
2) I despise the village setting
3) The presentation didn't sit with me, characters looked off with huge heads and paper thin bodies. Almost chibi like vibe.
4) Despised the dungeons which were just endless corridors palette swapped (Atleast this is still more than what I can say about Persona 3's dungeon which is the same from start to finish)
Persona 5 on the other hand, is my favourite game of all time. I LOVE the presentation of that game, it's the most stylish game I've ever played. Plus the acid jazz music is just amazing ! Just listen to these, I can't even decide which one to post because there are so many good ones:
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https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=15221
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943 polled
96h 58m average time
It's a long game
I dunno, I prefer P5 over 4.
It might be a game you end up liking because it has things in it you probably would like based on your preference for Trails of Cold Steel and TMS. You really need to approach the in-game calendar with an open mind, however, because that will be the biggest deterrent.
It might be a game you end up liking because it has things in it you probably would like based on your preference for Trails of Cold Steel and TMS. You really need to approach the in-game calendar with an open mind, however, because that will be the biggest deterrent.
Honestly, if you hated P4, you will hate P5 with a passion. Too much padding. Dungeons, while not being randomly generated, are too long for their own good, and many times, boring. And unlike P4, the party isn't interesting nor memorable.
Yes, it is quite long. Think mine was like 80 or 90 hours. I blame Mementos though; locking confidants behind that.
Guess it's time to hunker down then haha, I regret not finishing persona 4 so I'm determined to do this one.
It's one of the best games ever made and the best RPG ever. That said, it's fundamentally built on a time management gameplay loop, and if that's not something you like, then Persona 5 isn't for you, sadly.
Persona 5 is basically 4 with worse writing and a sprinkle of P3's Tartarus in form of Mementos.
If you hated P4G for anything else than Marie, you should not bother with 5.
If you hated P4G for anything else than Marie, you should not bother with 5.
OP if you were lukewarm on P4 but dropped it due to eventual disinterest, you might like P5. if you truly DESPISE P4G, I can't see how you would like P5. P5 is a better looking, more refined (mechanics wise) P4G, basically. The dungeons are no longer randomly generated and are a definite improvement, but they're still long dungeons. The time management is a little easier than P4 but also frankly more annoying (lots of times your forced to go to bed instead of accomplish something else you want to do).
I finished it at 105 hours. It's certainly POSSIBLE to finish faster but unless you FLY through the game (mash through cutscenes, skip lots of social links and stuff) you're gonna be at 90+ hours.
If you don't even like Persona 4, you'll probably won't like 5 either as 4 is the better game imo. The Trails of Cold Steel series are the better Persona-style games anyway.
The average seems to be 96 hours:
https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=15221
P3 took me 77 hours, P4 was 88 (no idea why I still remember that) and P5 took me around 120 hours I think.
Those last couple of dungeons dragged on forever.
You are not jaded.
You'll like Persona 5.
I finished it at 84 hours flat.
I, apparently, don't like JRPGs and Persona 5 taught me that, so I guess I owe some kind of thanks to the game.
Don't get it. Just wait for the next SMT game to come out. P5 is amazing to people who's first Persona/SMT/JRPG that isn't accessible. If you like JRPGs and played a lot of them you'd see the game's fault and you might end up resenting how much time you spent on it to see it through.
This is entirely subjective, but then so are assessments regarding length/overall engagement with the dungeons. Though I could largely go either way with those two parties, if I had to choose, I'd go with P5's minus one specific spoiler character (Joker has been the most successful attempt at injecting an Atlus silent protagonist with personality, though I admit to not understanding Makoto fans any more than Chie fans).
Mainline SMT doesn't seem like it would be of interest to OP based on the games listed (V will probably go back to the minimalist story/generally flat characters associated with it, rather than doing more of what IV:A tried).
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Xenoblade 2 is what you want, not persona
Just a warning though, the story doesn't start picking up until end of chapter 3
Just a warning though, the story doesn't start picking up until end of chapter 3
P5's dungeons are handcrafted and I enjoyed them a lot more (though there's still a procedurally generated dungeon with Mementos). The social management is still a huge part of the game, but it's not stressful. You can't do everything, so just focus on what you want and don't worry about it.
Presentation is significantly better imo. P5 is the most stylish game I've ever played.
Well isn't like P5 has a big hurdle to clear then. The same faults people point out in P5 existed in the other persona games, so take those complaints with a grain of salt.
Persona 5 is a game that has a super strong start, the first story arc is almost TOO GOOD, but after that(like 15-20 hours in) I feel like it just drops and drags till the very end.
I still love it, but Dragon Quest XI is way better and the game I'd recommend if someone wants a long ass-JRPG.
I still love it, but Dragon Quest XI is way better and the game I'd recommend if someone wants a long ass-JRPG.
Soooooo...since we have some Persona peeps in here I have a quick question:
Should I play P4G or P5 first? I've never played a Persona game, but i'm ready to give one of them a shot.
Should I play P4G or P5 first? I've never played a Persona game, but i'm ready to give one of them a shot.
From P4, the only party members I don't like are Hanamura and Teddie. Otherwise, the rest of the characters are great.
As for P5, only ones I find interesting are Joker, Makoto and Futaba. The cat is annoying. Ryuuji, while cool, doesn't stand out too much. Ann, boring. Yosuke, boring too. Haru could have been interesting but she joins too late. And you-know-who... better don't mention that character.
Get it and use a spoiler-free guide to get rid of the time management pressure. You'll still have a great time. Here's the guide I used:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...588-I2avd040YnGfARKEk3ViBck/edit?usp=drivesdk
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...588-I2avd040YnGfARKEk3ViBck/edit?usp=drivesdk
The gameplay and dungeon design improvements in P5, along with the better graphics, will probably make going back to P4G harder, so I'd say that then P5. The stories are standalone, so no need to worry about missing anything other than minor nods to previous games if you go with P5 first instead.
Personally, Makoto was the only one of them I didn't find particularly interesting, and couldn't have been more boring to me (I'm also a bit more harsh as a result of her not living up to the hype surrounding her). Morgana could get annoying, but I was ultimately okay with him. Ryuji was an improvement over previous "bro" characters. I quite liked Yusuke's eccentricity. I liked Ann, even if there was a lack of focus and some questionable decisions in handling her. Haru and Futaba were my overall favorites, even with the former definitely needing more screentime.
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I didn't like P4 due to the random dungeon design, but I really dig P5 thus far. Some of the style choices are out of this world, and the core gameplay loop is really satisfying to me. Ambush enemies, exploit weaknesses, All Out Attack, rinse and repeat. I don't remember much about P4 at this point, but I do also appreciate the pacing in P5. Some might say it's slow, but I dig the speed at which it doles out tutorials.
You won't like this game.
I'm coincidentally going through P5 for the first time, and I bought it without knowing about the whole time management garbage. I essentially got it solely based on how people keep nebulously hyping it up. Oh well, it was only $20. I enjoy aspects of it but overall it doesn't have the kind of structure I'm interested in. I also didn't like Valkyrie Profile back in the day for a similar reason. Still uh plodding through it, beat the first palace. Enjoying it with reservations.
I'm coincidentally going through P5 for the first time, and I bought it without knowing about the whole time management garbage. I essentially got it solely based on how people keep nebulously hyping it up. Oh well, it was only $20. I enjoy aspects of it but overall it doesn't have the kind of structure I'm interested in. I also didn't like Valkyrie Profile back in the day for a similar reason. Still uh plodding through it, beat the first palace. Enjoying it with reservations.
-The dungeons in p5 are not randomly generated, so they look better and feel like a proper place.
-The Social Management is the same, even worse considering that the game decides to limit your activities more often than P4.
-The presentation is better, the game looks crisp on the Ps4 even if some textures or models look kind of bad. The hideous motion blur from P4 is gone.
Edit: I think that P4 is really better than P5, P5 felt too safe to me (another Persona game with nothing really new), and the pacing is really bad. Even so, it's the best JRPG from last year and one of the best JRPGs from the last 10 years IMO.
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I always want a give games a chance.
I didn't like Persona 4's endless red-carpet castle dungeons, the time-forced social management and general presentation (slow, blurry graphics/motion blur).
Yes, played it, really liked it.
Also played and loved every Star Ocean, and will give Resonance of Fate another shot on PC since I found it a touch difficult at times and at least you can cheat on PC.
I didn't like Persona 4's endless red-carpet castle dungeons, the time-forced social management and general presentation (slow, blurry graphics/motion blur).
Yes, played it, really liked it.
Also played and loved every Star Ocean, and will give Resonance of Fate another shot on PC since I found it a touch difficult at times and at least you can cheat on PC.
No. Persona 5 gets boring at the middle arcs and at the last dungeon, DQ XI is boring from minute 1 to hour 60.
Knowing that you love Cold Steel, a game that has a really slow pacing and lots of crazy exposition, I think that you'll be fine with the pacing in P5.
Mind you that instead of good lore and world building, most of the text in the game is repeating something that you already know, but the strong moments in P5 are far stronger than in Cold Steel.
Mind you that instead of good lore and world building, most of the text in the game is repeating something that you already know, but the strong moments in P5 are far stronger than in Cold Steel.
-Dungeons are more interesting in concept, but typically end up having very simple puzzle elements you solve from a mile away, require you to stop at a certain point for arbitrary reasons, and tend to go on too long.
-Time focused social management is still there in full force (And in my opinion, it's even more constrained than it was in past games).
-General presentation has some beautiful elements, but if you're looking for something super sharp with impressive graphics, this is absolutely not going to do it for you. Feels like a step up from P4, but little more beyond some artistic menu elements.
I feel like P5 is a pretty mediocre game (P4 was one of my favorites). I wanted to love it, but it's too slow, too long, too rigid, and too predictable. If you're looking for something to turn you around on JRPGs, this is not going to be it.
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Do you like dating underage girls? If so then Persona is the game for you.
I would recommend other RPGs instead of P5, especially if you're jaded with the genre.
P5 is great and you will possibly like since you liked TMS, but it's way too long.
If you need a different RPG that's turn-based, try Utawarerumono. The bundle is on sale.
If you liked Neptunia, Fairy Fencer F is from the same makers and it's a much better game than the first Neptunia. Fun story too.
P5 is great and you will possibly like since you liked TMS, but it's way too long.
If you need a different RPG that's turn-based, try Utawarerumono. The bundle is on sale.
If you liked Neptunia, Fairy Fencer F is from the same makers and it's a much better game than the first Neptunia. Fun story too.
After playing through P5, I can honestly say that the only thing going for it is the visual style.
Ehh.. give it a chance OP. You may like it
And you should be able to find it for like $25 - $30 now.
Plus it has the best ost of the gen..
And you should be able to find it for like $25 - $30 now.
Plus it has the best ost of the gen..
Not an exaggeration. I think a pretty typical play through can easily fall within that range. It doesn't have content to carry it that full distance... but it keeps going anyway.
Very true...really no justification other than just padding....dear god...
Persona 4 has better characters, story, and pacing. Its dungeons are tedious.
Persona 5 has better dungeons, and artstyle, but the pacing is horrendous, characters lack chemistry, and the story isnt great after the first dungeon.
If you want to play 100 hours of this(could have cut about 40 to 50 hours off and it would have been better for it), because yes its that long, then go for it. i hated it personally, but there is several other people who loved it.
Persona 5 has better dungeons, and artstyle, but the pacing is horrendous, characters lack chemistry, and the story isnt great after the first dungeon.
If you want to play 100 hours of this(could have cut about 40 to 50 hours off and it would have been better for it), because yes its that long, then go for it. i hated it personally, but there is several other people who loved it.
Yep. The only way to make the game shorter (aside from skipping cutscenes) is ignoring all the social aspects and side activities, but then you'll miss really good combat bonuses and the good ending.
Nier Automata and Killer instinct has a better OST imo. P5 has a good OST though. Not sure i would rank it in my top 5, but its definitely good.
First post nails it. I loved P4 but couldn't get through P5, not really sure why.
