Was hoping that X would be above XII but I expected this result. I'm honestly surprised they didn't put Persona 4 as #1 but glad they didn't. Solid list overall. PS2 had a lot of great RPGs.
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I approve of the high ranking of Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance. A great highly replayable game and a technical marvel.
I actually prefer FFXII to FFXII ZA. I felt like ZA was easier due to the way the new license boards work, and the epic title screen is gone, and the speed up function basically ruined the experience for me. How? Well it's an issue I have with every game that offers it--once I turn it on I can't go back. But at the same time it makes the game feel less impactful and foreboding. It's a personal thing though, I'm sure most people look at the speed up as a boon.
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I'd say...FFX. It's a nice blend of modern and traditional, and while it may not have some of the best parts of the genre (like a fully developed world map, for instance), it does offer a great introduction to the kind of combat and story which is fairly typical of the genre without deviating into aspects which people would identify elsewhere (like how VP2, while amazing, shares some DNA with puzzle platformers and even fighting games). FFX also has a good amount of secrets, and a good degree of difficulty right off the bat.
Obviously there are games which do more/different things with all three of those aspects [exploration, story, combat], and it's hard to say it (or any game) is *representative* of the genre, but I still do think it makes for a good intro.
It could be on any platform, honestly. If possible not Switch or PS4 since I don't have the former and games for the latter are kind of expensive here.
Thank you! My obvious choices were Blue Dragon, Lost Odissey or Ni no Kuni. Would you put any of those before your own choice?
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The only really major missing one is Shadow Hearts Covenant.
I'd include Dragon Quarter personally but I get why others wouldn't. The only good Xenosaga game is the last one and understanding its story is shackled to playing the other two. Suikoden III is alright but has a bad battle system and bad dungeons; Suikoden V is similarly decent but let down by terrible pacing and technical issues. VP2 misses most of what made the first one so good. Wild Arms is all B-tier stuff. Star Ocean 3 is fun but kinda dumb. Tales of the Abyss is burdened by being a Tales game. Why put Digital Devil Saga on there when 1/3rd of the list is already SMT/Persona stuff?
I wouldn't put Dark Cloud or Kingdom Hearts 2 in there but I guess for variety it's nice to have some action-RPGs? But Odin Sphere on the PS2 is kinda bad compared to the remakes. I think it could use an SRPG but I don't know what I would put on there. It's hard to go back to the early Disgaea games nowadays, and Front Mission 5 wasn't localized.
I'd include Dragon Quarter personally but I get why others wouldn't. The only good Xenosaga game is the last one and understanding its story is shackled to playing the other two. Suikoden III is alright but has a bad battle system and bad dungeons; Suikoden V is similarly decent but let down by terrible pacing and technical issues. VP2 misses most of what made the first one so good. Wild Arms is all B-tier stuff. Star Ocean 3 is fun but kinda dumb. Tales of the Abyss is burdened by being a Tales game. Why put Digital Devil Saga on there when 1/3rd of the list is already SMT/Persona stuff?
I wouldn't put Dark Cloud or Kingdom Hearts 2 in there but I guess for variety it's nice to have some action-RPGs? But Odin Sphere on the PS2 is kinda bad compared to the remakes. I think it could use an SRPG but I don't know what I would put on there. It's hard to go back to the early Disgaea games nowadays, and Front Mission 5 wasn't localized.
Yeah Shadows Convenant is one of the best and most unique ps2 rpgs I had the pleasure to play.
also would like to give Radiata Stories some love while I'm here
also would like to give Radiata Stories some love while I'm here
Chrono Trigger is really good as a gateway to the genre and is available on PC, Smartphones, Nintendo DS, PS1 aside the original Snes version.
Always regret never playing it through a second time to try and get the different ending
No Suikoden V? No Shadow Hearts Covenant? Trash list.
Also, FFXII did some cool things, but it was also pretty rough in other areas. Deffo not worthy of top spot. (Or the top 10 at all, really. FFX is better.) Also don't really think Persona 3, 4 & Nocturne should be in the top 10. Drop one of them. Drop Odin Sphere too.
Also, FFXII did some cool things, but it was also pretty rough in other areas. Deffo not worthy of top spot. (Or the top 10 at all, really. FFX is better.) Also don't really think Persona 3, 4 & Nocturne should be in the top 10. Drop one of them. Drop Odin Sphere too.
I'd say half of the games on their list are in my top ten for sure, and the other half is in my top 20. Suikoden and Valkyrie Profile getting snubbed is... unfortunate. Also, I love Shin Megami Tensei, but there didn't need to be three reps on the list. SMT3 and Persona 3 FES would've been more than enough.
FF12 is good, but it's definitely in my top 20, not my top 10, and certainly not the best JRPG on the system.
FF12 is good, but it's definitely in my top 20, not my top 10, and certainly not the best JRPG on the system.
I mentioned the ones I at least finished an didn't hate. I also played Shining Force Neo, Suikoden 3 and Xenosaga an they all sucked ass lol.
Glad to see Dark Cloud 2 get the recognition it deserves, although personally I would have it in the top 3.
Also P3 FES is better than Nocturne, and Digital Devil Saga is better than both.
Also P3 FES is better than Nocturne, and Digital Devil Saga is better than both.
some choice picks, some missing stuff
my faves would get moved to the top of the list, etc etc
i don't really like kingdom hearts, would put some suikoden or xenosaga there
not bad overall though
my faves would get moved to the top of the list, etc etc
i don't really like kingdom hearts, would put some suikoden or xenosaga there
not bad overall though
FFXII has sort of done to FFX what FFVI has done to FFVII. It seems like the more the years roll by, the closer VI and XII's consensus reputation comes to VII and X's... and the less surprising it is when they top lists instead.
I'd put FFX over BD and LO for sure - LO in particular feels like it's cribbing pretty hard from FFX, although it's still fine - but I haven't played NNK. I hear it gets kinda grindy and irritating around the halfway mark though.
If I were to suggest other genre mainstays off the PS2, I'd go with...hmm...Chrono Trigger, Golden Sun 2, and...Tales of Vesperia. That last one is a bit of an outlier, as it could be argued that turn based combat is heavily featured in the genre, but while that might be true, it's far from the only battle system, and Tales is a classic action twist on things while still staying pretty close to the rest of the typical considerations of the genre.
That is a terrible list!
Where the hell is Dragon Quarter? Or even a nod to the Wild ARMS series. Dragon Quarter is a legit top 5 RPG of all time, it should definitely be on a top PS2 RPG list.
I don't think FFXII and DQVIII really deserve the top spots either. DQVIII is merely okay compared to some of its fellow Dragon Quest games, while I have never been a big fan of FFXII. I think Kingdom Hearts 1 should have gotten in over 2, as well. It is the more coherent and realized game of the two.
Once again, this is one of the lists that feels like it is ranking games based on budget more than anything else.
Where the hell is Dragon Quarter? Or even a nod to the Wild ARMS series. Dragon Quarter is a legit top 5 RPG of all time, it should definitely be on a top PS2 RPG list.
I don't think FFXII and DQVIII really deserve the top spots either. DQVIII is merely okay compared to some of its fellow Dragon Quest games, while I have never been a big fan of FFXII. I think Kingdom Hearts 1 should have gotten in over 2, as well. It is the more coherent and realized game of the two.
Once again, this is one of the lists that feels like it is ranking games based on budget more than anything else.
Thank you. Apparently the DS version is the one to get. Do you know if it can be played on the Wii U?
It doesn't have to be PS2 related at all. Could be anything really. I'm just looking for a good place to start.
The original version was ported to Wii via virtual console if i'm not wrong, so you can play it with your Wii U on Wii mode (With a wiimote or classic controller). It's not the DS version tho.
Maybe the DS version can be played with homebrew stuff on Wii U, but not officially, i'm afraid.
Get out with this. I'm really mad that (game I love) isn't (higher or on the list). And I can't believe (game I didn't like as much) is there at that spot.
List is garbage.
I love FFXII...but even I gotta question the placement of the vanilla version so high.
It's folks like me playing TZA and loving it. Especially if we heard it was bad going into it (most likely due to the original version) and coming out of it wondering what was wrong with people before realizing how much better of a game TZA makes it.
It's folks like me playing TZA and loving it. Especially if we heard it was bad going into it (most likely due to the original version) and coming out of it wondering what was wrong with people before realizing how much better of a game TZA makes it.
Imo you're not missing much playing the OG version on a big screen.
Just avoid the PS1 port because it's on a disc and has loading times for the battles.
I figured, from your selection. I mean, truth be told, there are tons of great JRPGs to be had which increasingly start folding in aspects of other genres and indeed, there've been many mentioned in this topic already. Going with just a few right off that bat though, I'd start with the 4 I mentioned and see how you're feeling about the genre.
My only fond memories of Rogue Galaxy is the factory crafting system. The rest of the game was forgettable.
The characters and voice acting were both decent, the story was alright without being anything special. The game is effectively a dungeon crawler so I can definitely see why some people found it boring
