Yeah i guess they mostly get concerned on the violence side of things rather than the quality of writting
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IGN on How Kingdom Hearts 3 Was Helped and Limited By Disney and Pixar's Teams
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Did they also approve of Kairi's incredibly short skirt and the ability to see her panties in KH2? Or did that went by unnoticed? That always stuck out like a sore thumb.
While all Kingdom Hearts Originals are Disney characters by legality and IP ownership, the general understanding is that anything Original ( Sora/Kairi/Roxas ) has a ton of creative freedom from Square and Nomura's end. They need to be family-friendly in design though.
I think we can broadly guess and characterise it in these ways:
A ton of creative freedom:
- KH Originals
A lot of creative freedom:
- Maleficent, Pete, Goofy, Donald, Mickey, Yensid, etc.
Varying degrees of creative freedom:
- Most Disney films
Low creative freedom:
- Frozen
I think we can broadly guess and characterise it in these ways:
A ton of creative freedom:
- KH Originals
A lot of creative freedom:
- Maleficent, Pete, Goofy, Donald, Mickey, Yensid, etc.
Varying degrees of creative freedom:
- Most Disney films
Low creative freedom:
- Frozen
Why are you singling out Frozen as THE one with the lowest creative freedom? Isn't Tangled also a retelling of the movie? How come Frozen is lower on your metric?
Is it really?! From the PS2 JP Final Mix release or until the Hd remasters?
What did they do to fix that and why did they let it up in the first place!?
In Corona you interact with Rapunzel and In Arendelle there is barely any dialogue between Sora and Elsa/Anna.
IDK if it's gone in PS2 JP FM but after that in any form of the game it's gone lol
They just deleted the polygons from the model that had the underwear texture on them so there's just empty space underneath
I still can't believe that Rapunzel, who lacks any magic powers, actually fights with you while the freaking snow queen herself didn't. It was right there!
By empty space you mean like a black shadow like that under Peach's dress in SSBU? I can't believe they didn't have that from the beginning.
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No, like... just gone. Nothing there at all. The model is just no longer a closed object.
That was a great read. It makes sense this level of attention is required, even if it requires a lot of work and meetings. It's a shame Disney didn't step in and approve better dialogue and a more sensisble story, especially since it is a more "kid friendly" franchise.
Nomura himself said Frozen came with the most stringent requirements. Also, having to retread movie plot isn't a sign of creative restriction - most Disney arcs in KH games games post-KH1 are retelling the movies but you can tell where some characters are more limited than others.
I can also guess what are imo, 3 restrictions that hurt the Frozen world:
1. Elsa's castle cannot be an in-game dungeon/level ( seriously, are you telling me that there's a whole labyrinth of Ice at the Frozen world, and IT IS NOT ELSA'S CASTLE? )
2. Elsa cannot be Sora's combat party member ( or Anna/Kristoff )
3. Sora cannot be an active participant or influencer in the main story of Frozen's arc ( the love between Anna/Elsa )
2. Elsa cannot be Sora's combat party member ( or Anna/Kristoff )
3. Sora cannot be an active participant or influencer in the main story of Frozen's arc ( the love between Anna/Elsa )
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Am I the only one that thinks that Elsa, a character who's whole thing is that she didn't want to hurt others with her ice magic, would be... odd in the party? If Disney had any say I'd say that's why she's not a party member.
I think that's why she's not in the party, it goes super against her character arc, while I can easily see them letting us use Rapunzel.
I'm still playing through the series to catch up to KH3, but I want to know: is Elsa's attitude to her ice powers at all lampshaded by Sora and the gang? I would expect them to be like "uh, Donald can shoot out ice too, what's the big deal?" or something lol.
No, though I think they remark that it's above even Donald's level of magic at one point.
Elsa's ice power is noted to be stronger than Donald's within that Frozen world.
Sora also lampshaded how Zeus's thunderbolts are like super powerful compared to their Thunder magic.
I guess that's a way to go about that. I thought what would instead happen is that Elsa doesn't fear her ice powers themselves but is more concerned over her lack of control over them.
That explains the Pixar properties in the game. More or less continues to make me hope going forward they push more of the plot stuff forward and have more "Original" Content and worlds. KH on it's own is Disney, so it doesn't necessarily need overwhelming presence of other Disney IP's. A good balance or leaning on the former would be nice as the whole IP is Disney.
Sora and the gang are usually really humble about their powers even if they are basically the heroes that save the world every single time.
As you said, Elsa has no control over her powers till the end of the movie and her level is a re-telling of the movie, so it makes no sense for her to be in the party.
Personally, what I would have done differently for Frozen world at least -
- You escort Anna/Kristoff up the mountain to meet with Elsa.
- You and Kristoff bring Anna back to Arendelle to get the kiss from Hans.
- You and Kristoff bring Anna back to Arendelle to get the kiss from Hans.
If the above two things can happen, the Frozen world easily has a much clearer throughline in theo
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I haven't finished it yet, but it was kind of shocking to see the quality differences between some of the Disney sections so far.
Like the Hercules and Frozen stuff have been kind of bad (other then the musical sequence of course which my guess is it was not real time). Like in writing, animation, acting etc etc. Then you have the Toy Story and Tangled stuff which is significantly better. There was actually both funny and emotional stuff that pretty much worked. Nothing is perfect, but I was really high on this game for a while there after Toy Story and Tangled. It really did fee like that perfect Disney and Square crossover. In the previous games the Disney parts never actually worked in terms of humor or drama so this seemed like a step in the right direction. Curious to see how the quality holds up further, but it feels like different teams often.
To be fair. 38 year old me thought that the game is really awesome and completely approves on how 21 year old me thought that the first game was the best thing ever.
This explains why the story for the Disney Worlds are now a lot more movie accurate, and also why the world count is so low. I am 100% sure reading these interviews that they didn't have to go through this process for the previous games, and while KH2 is an anomaly for the series, you would think the final main game of the trilogy would be more akin to that than the sidegames in terms of quantity. Also explains why the Pooh world sucks balls, this new rigorous image preserving Disnry definitely wouldn't allow the minigames from KH2 or Re:CoM.
I think that's wrong. The pixar worlds have a lot more interaction between Sora and the protagonists. Toy Story and Monsters Inc. had a lot.
This explains so much because Tangled felt like they actually had something of an impact and interaction while Frozen is the story keep having the party blown away so they don't get involved
And it genuinely sucks too. Cause you can see on the minimap that it continues into her castle, but you're not allowed in.
If Kingdom Hearts is canon, then why did the Disney villains not help each other or conquer different worlds?
Good question, I think only 3 major Disney villains seem to be aware of other worlds. Maleficent travels worlds often in search of things and wanting to rule over the darkness. And Pete is another who is used like a lackey to Maleficent. And Ursula appears in Destiny Island and that's what starts off the whole story of DDD, and she states she was revived by "someone" (Xehanort) and was told Sora and Riku would be there, and she fights them for revenge drags them down to the depths of the ocean to a keyhole that takes them to Traverse Town. So she is definitely aware if she wasn't before.
I can't imagine them getting along, especially Maleficent who believes herself to be above everyone else. And I imagine anyone encroaching on each others turf would cause serious problems.
While it might seem frustrating and stressful and hard, i believe that the team has learned a lot from the feedback they got. It can only make them better developers.
Well we see this at the start of KH1, all the villains talking together. They atleast scheme together.
They do in 1 but it's kind of shown in 1 how dysfunctional that kind of team up is and what a slippery slope the darkness and using it is. These villains go all in with embracing darkness until it consumes them. Plus they are all so selfish that even in working together, they are not really doing it for the team but their own selfish plans (within their own worlds) so their cooperation is pretty surface level stuff. This is shown in III too. Maleficent goes to Hades for help but Hades couldn't give a fuuuuuuuck about what she is doing because he has his own thing going on.
Many of the Disney villains probably don't even know there are other worlds to conquer or the extent of dark forces they could have available for themselves.
making games with disney properties seems to be quite difficult
it's good that we have development pipeline powerhouses like square enix's japanese studios that can do it when failing western developers like EA's studios and the eidos team working on avengers seemingly cannot
it's good that we have development pipeline powerhouses like square enix's japanese studios that can do it when failing western developers like EA's studios and the eidos team working on avengers seemingly cannot
The Avengers game hasn't been in development for much more than two years at this point. Considering what kind of quality they are presumably aiming for, it's really not that weird it's a no-show so far. I expect it to be a cross-gen game at best, next-gen exclusive if its development goes past 4-5 years.
The dialogue in the Disney worlds is mostly fine and outside of having some limitations as to what kind of stuff can happen & be said in a somewhat kid-oriented Disney franchise (i.e no swearing, certain adult topics are off-limits), I don't think Disney controls the non-Disney related dialogue much (which honestly wasn't all that bad a lot of the time).
Toy Story: Woody meets Buzz and butts heads with him, but befriend each other to get back to Andy
Toy Story 2: Buzz and the gang save Woody from a toy collector
Kingdom Hearts 3: Woody, Buzz, and the non-trademarked toys are sent to an alternate world from Andy, meet an anime boy, fight possessed toys and an evil anime boy.
Toy Story 3: The toy gang go to daycare.
It is canon.
Toy Story 2: Buzz and the gang save Woody from a toy collector
Kingdom Hearts 3: Woody, Buzz, and the non-trademarked toys are sent to an alternate world from Andy, meet an anime boy, fight possessed toys and an evil anime boy.
Toy Story 3: The toy gang go to daycare.
It is canon.