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IGN: Mass Effect Legendary Edition Changes Some Gratuitious Camera Shots
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You put the butts in when that sells games, you take the butts out when that sells games. Nobody needs to tell EA how to make a buck.
damn.... my friends are gonna cry about censorship and political correctness for days over a creep cam
now that being said I can't wait for their tears and this game I'm finally gonna play Mass Effect!!!!
now that being said I can't wait for their tears and this game I'm finally gonna play Mass Effect!!!!
I said it was "part of" the appeal, not the only purpose of the game. If it didn't work for you, that's fine. If you found it offensive, that's also fine, and, I'd agree in some cases.
But if you think they weren't trying to make it a universe full of sexy characters, then you're lying to yourself.
Yikes.
And some people wonder why the vast majority of women dislike most gaming communities.
Kinda but not really.... One of her outfits reads a little more as armor, but it's still essentially a skintight catsuit.
Alternate Appearance Packs
The Alternate Appearance Packs are DLC packs for Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 that include new squadmate outfits and armor. The first Alternate Appearance Pack for Mass Effect 2 was released on March 23, 2010, and the second pack was released on February 8, 2011. The alternate outfits...masseffect.fandom.com
That's still a lot better than what I'm used to. Same with Jack, although not really a fan of her glasses.
The fact that they felt the need to change it at all. Why? There was nothing wrong with it in the first place.
Yeah I have the same issue with Jack's outfit. It's great to put her in normal looking street clothes but you have to cover up her eyes. :(
I consider that an improvement, at least based on the description. It's sloppy/stupid direction when the camera suddenly ignores the actual pertinent parts of a scene, and hones in on a "random" body-part; It's lame when it actually happens at random, and it's especially distracting when its prurient.
I would like to see a comparison of the old shot vs the new shot
(I cant get the IGN page to load properly so if it's there I can't get to it)
(I cant get the IGN page to load properly so if it's there I can't get to it)
Yea, this is where I'm at as well.
Some of those Miranda butt shots were just legit ridiculous. You are having this important conversation, while her ass is covering half the screen lol
You think you can find the camera writhing around Garrus in his power armour while he poses with his arse sticking out, making it clear what it wants you to be drooling over to the same extent as Miranda? I mean, if you don't think male gaze exists with the cameras and they are all treated the same, be my guest, prove it. The same point was put to Hudson regarding this specific shot, at the time:
The Thoughts Behind Miranda's Behind in Mass Effect 2
Aside from the lack of homosexual characters, I had the chance to ask Mass Effect 2 project lead Casey Hudson at last month’s GDC about one thing my friends (both male and female) and I have noticed when we first got the game: Miranda’s ridiculously tight outfit.
kotaku.com
The truth is that while the camera shoots from behind one speaker in all kinds of conversations, the camera lingers and caresses the women to a far greater degree. That's the difference, between all characters having an arse and whether the director thinks it's vitally important that the camera eye them up to the same degree with an outfit designed to facilitate it. And, surprise surprise, more of the ladies conveniently end up in skin tight outfits that accentuate their curves than the guys, where many of them are in bulky battle armour.
User Banned (2 months): Dismissing concerns around objectification over multiple posts; prior severe ban for dismissing concerns around representation; history of related infractions (ban reduced following successful appeal)
Mass Effect was always a horny game, this feels kind of sex-negative. Weird puritan-esque takes in this thread.
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Well ya doubled down.
Cant fault you for being a drive by, even if the opinion is bullshit.
Well at least you stick to your awful bigoted take to your guns.
Imagine being upset that a camera angle was adjusted to not focus on a entirely unnecessary and inappropriate butt shot of a fake character in a video game, when you can just go and pay for and watch porn instead?
Even outside of the obvious sexualization/objectification which is 100% an issue, It was straight up distracting during certain moments that were definitely supposed to be more serious.
It's a good change.
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I think something to keep in mind with some of the "she breathes through her skin" discourse is that, I think, a lot of people love the work but know these specific instances are inappropriate and are rightfully hated, so now they're stuck with this cognitive dissonance where they want to talk about this thing they love but also know that it did something wrong that can't reasonably be argued against.
So now you got people who look at a shot that has no purpose but to ogle Miranda's ass, and then we come up with ways around it to continue loving the game/show/comic/book we're going through because the alternative is accepting this thing we really like is letting down other people who would also like to take part in our fun thing. Cortana in Halo gets turned into Sexy Clippy and you've got one of the devs justifying it as "well if she's a naked purple lady then that means the enemy will underestimate her." Persona 5 dresses a 17 year old girl in a latex catsuit then hands her a whip so she can talk about how much she likes domming the random encounters, lets your underaged protagonist date his teacher after blackmailing her when you find out she has a job as a sex worker and includes two elderly gay pedophiles as a running gag where they keep trying to sexually assault your male party members (this one in particular was altered in the Royal re-release), but it sold 4 million copies and it would be nonsensical to assume every single person who played the game is just on board and accepting of this, but then there's also a salient point to be made that knowing this is happening and choosing to support it anyway is itself a form of approval.
Guys, I have a confession. This is 100% my fault.
I broke this down a few years ago when I was talking about why we needed the Remaster.
I broke this down a few years ago when I was talking about why we needed the Remaster.
2. BETTER/MORE SENSIBLE OUTFITS and PRESENTATION - More so for the women, but by the time ME2 rolled around, as much as I loved its cast, it was clear this was going to be the "sexier" Mass Effect compared its predecessor.
(Yes, Miranda, I'm sure your sob story about your sister is fascinating, but the camera wants me to pay attention to something else.)
While I love all the female cast of the series, was it really necessary to having Samara's plunging V-neck cleavage given her line of work and aversion to intimacy? Or to doll-up Ashley for ME3 since she was rigidly regulation in ME1? Or to give EDI an outfit with a cameltoe? Yes, I'm advocating for the removal of underwear a few sections earlier, but all of this is about what makes the most sense - both to the characters and to the immersion of the scenarios. "Biotic fields" be damned, it looks ridiculous to go out into the vacuum of space with one female character wearing plausible space gear and the other wearing leather straps and a small breathing mask.
It's a sentiment I've seen echoed by a lot of players, and you CAN cover some of them up... with extra paid DLC. By all means, keep their original designs for those that want them, but having a bit better portrayals of these characters through alternate attire would please many players who love their character arcs but cringe at their clothing options and a leering camera.
I'm very happy Bioware listened.
Like Mass Effect was essentially the WRPG equivalent of a movie like Basic Instinct. Is there not room for light smut in gaming when that was kind of the point? Asking a genuine question here, I don't really care about the changes but I find the support for them here fascinating.
The game's not going to be any less horny. Miranda's outfit is horny as hell and they're not changing a pixel of it. These camera angles were more silly and dumb than anything else. I won't miss them.
In what way is bigoted what i'm saying? There is nothing wrong with some fanservice. If they want to make the next game and not inlcude anything like it then fine, but to change what other people did for some sense of moral superiority is nonsense. I'd be saying the same thing if Vega was the one getting censored.
Context matters.
If those shots were happening exclusively from trying to romance Miranda, then sure, whatever.
But that ass was front and center in scenes where she was talking about her abusive upbringing or her sister. It was a disservice to those scenes and is the peak example of that generations problem with male gaze in the AAA space.
A person vocally being upset about the change is a part of the problem.
If those shots were happening exclusively from trying to romance Miranda, then sure, whatever.
But that ass was front and center in scenes where she was talking about her abusive upbringing or her sister. It was a disservice to those scenes and is the peak example of that generations problem with male gaze in the AAA space.
A person vocally being upset about the change is a part of the problem.
As it turns out being in favour of sexism is misogynistic, who'd have thought. As it turns out, opposing a change that might make some women feel more comfortable playing the game because you're scared of sjw boogeymen ruining your game is misogynistic. What an awakening this must be for you.
mASS Effect is a classic sci fi/Romance type flick and a product of its time.
I can see why some of the gratuitous hornyness has to be cut down in 2021.
Doesnt stop your horny ass to play with the camera and get whatever shots you want.
Dont sleep on Jacob!
I can see why some of the gratuitous hornyness has to be cut down in 2021.
Doesnt stop your horny ass to play with the camera and get whatever shots you want.
Dont sleep on Jacob!
Anyone complaining about this should be slapped to oblivion
It's not like there isn't a ton of the Rule34 stuff already out there
edit: ok no violence but thrown into horny jail
It's not like there isn't a ton of the Rule34 stuff already out there
edit: ok no violence but thrown into horny jail
Censored? What?
It's one thing if the camera is showing specific body parts during an intimate scene, but that's not the case in any of these gratuitous shots. It's not censorship, it's fixing the camera positioning.
Anyone upset about this knows the internet is a thing right? Rule 34 artist more then have you covered if you wanna see this so badly.
Nothing wrong with this change IMO.
Nothing wrong with this change IMO.
Wasn't there only the one ass shot in ME2 that was gratuitous?
I'm fine with the change. it didn't make sense in the first place - at least its context didn't. If it was a camera angle that was only seen just before the sex scene or during a flirting scene, I could get its "importance" (it's not important), but the shot was random and its removal would have gone unnoticed if it wasn't a meme/well known beforehand; it actively broke the flow of the conversation in the original, and this change could be for the better, presentation-wise.
I'm fine with the change. it didn't make sense in the first place - at least its context didn't. If it was a camera angle that was only seen just before the sex scene or during a flirting scene, I could get its "importance" (it's not important), but the shot was random and its removal would have gone unnoticed if it wasn't a meme/well known beforehand; it actively broke the flow of the conversation in the original, and this change could be for the better, presentation-wise.
Hope my messages don't make you think you're wrong to enjoy this change, as it wasn't my purpose for posting it.
Reading the interview of Hudson shared above, which I never saw before, now I have the confirmation it was made for narrative purpose and there was an intention to underline her "role", it could be perceived in other ways, as I said, there're probably ways to have the same effect without those glamorous camera angles, so I don't mind the change.
Now sure, question would be if they were aware of the male gaze when doing so, and a question Bioware asked themselves.
Oh come on there's been smut since the beginning of time made for men and women. Mass Effect isn't some kind of high art.
Speaking of Miranda, am I the only one who found her character model to always look weird? (Even in ME3)
I felt she looked kinda uncanny. Maybe it's because they tried scanning an actress' face for her and didn't have the tech to get it completely right, but there was always something off about the way she looked imo.
I felt she looked kinda uncanny. Maybe it's because they tried scanning an actress' face for her and didn't have the tech to get it completely right, but there was always something off about the way she looked imo.
You do realize that many things that are Racist or Anti-LbGT are done by people very specifically.
And just like when Yakuza removed/changed problematic content regarding how it treats characters/minorities it's a good thing, it's a good thing here.
Objectification of a woman is no better than the above, and focusing on her butt when she talks about her abusive father is not just fanservice, it is objectification.
Great. As far as I'm concerned this is a change that improves the game. Nothing wrong with fanservice, but I don't want it in what's supposed to be a serious story.