Here The Dark Side Power Ability From Canon and Legends
But before you try. This is Yoda Quote from ESB
But before you try. This is Yoda Quote from ESB
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If You're a Jedi, Will You Attempt/Try to use The Dark Side Power?
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Oh I'd Force lightning a Sith or two to throw them off balance for sure. Might even Vader choke a bitch.
Bro yes.
If I have to I'll discover some new force learning discipline that isn't fickle as all fuck.
Yeah, though I wouldn't want to overuse it and disfigure myself. Maybe things like force choking. And doing that Sith roar thing Palpatine did while spinning with his lightsaber. Not gonna follow the teachings of emotionally repressed nutjobs.
I'm a coward. I won't intentionally risk falling to the dark side, no. It's too seductive: I'd worry that just one little spark would send me careening towards puppy murder. Not gonna try it.
That said, apparently fear is the path to the dark side, so I'd probably end up there despite my abundance of caution.
That said, apparently fear is the path to the dark side, so I'd probably end up there despite my abundance of caution.
"Maybe if I only stick my hand in lava a little bit I won't get burned" is a dumb philosophy
I don't quite understand what makes one side of the force "dark" and one side of the force "light." In fact, I always thought the force as being the energy that connects all things together. How can it have separate aspects to it? And why only two? I would have assumed that such a primordial and mystical aspect of nature to have more dimensions to it than two simple aspects.
Whatever. Clearly, as the force is presented in the films, it's best to stick to the light. But funk me if I'd be chilling with those whack monks. I'd touch base with them, if I could, to gain a deeper knowledge of how the force works but I wouldn't play their weirdo pseudo-powertipping games. What'd're they gonna do? Kill someone for being a light side force user who isn't strictly part of their crew? Sod off
Whatever. Clearly, as the force is presented in the films, it's best to stick to the light. But funk me if I'd be chilling with those whack monks. I'd touch base with them, if I could, to gain a deeper knowledge of how the force works but I wouldn't play their weirdo pseudo-powertipping games. What'd're they gonna do? Kill someone for being a light side force user who isn't strictly part of their crew? Sod off
By the series own laws, the force is this ineffable, mystic, unknowable, incomprehensible thing that has it's own will. It's not a thing that's actually understood by the people who use it.
If that's the framework we're working in, then approaching it without assumptions of what the past Jedi and Sith have had is not only sensible, its even how the series itself is progressing. You'll notice that Rey doesn't has much regard for the light and dark sides of the force, instead interpreting as the flow between life and death. And she's not wrong to do so.
The only one that truly knows what the force is the writer, which up until recently was Lucas, and so if he said the Dark side and lightsides were absolute, then that's just how it was. But not only is he no longer in charge, it's not like anyone in the universe has reason to know that just because the writer does. They just have the conventional wisdom of the Jedi, who are shown to be pretty goddamn wrong about the force in many ways.
Besides, the idea that your an evil person because you're using force lightning to, say, charge up a battery is fucking stupid.
Yes. The reason there are sith is because the Jedi are so rigid in their beliefs that only the light side is right and anyone who dabbles in the "dark" is evil. That's not to say I'd go full on force choke someone just because I can.
As Veelk said more eloquently than I ever could put it the reason thats the reason the Jedi failed and Luke in TLJ is literally the last Jedi as the force users that are going to come after will have both sides of the force in balance. Thats why I like Rian Johnson take on Star Wars and why TLJ is one of my favourite of the SW movies.
As Veelk said more eloquently than I ever could put it the reason thats the reason the Jedi failed and Luke in TLJ is literally the last Jedi as the force users that are going to come after will have both sides of the force in balance. Thats why I like Rian Johnson take on Star Wars and why TLJ is one of my favourite of the SW movies.
I've never liked the split of light/dark powers. Or splitting using the force into "moves" at all really. For example the "force choke" just seemed like another, more focused or concentrated form of the telekinesis (push/pull/lift) to me.... See Luke at the start of RotJ...
The old EU games took this to the extreme making each shown use of the force as its own move. In Jedi Fallen Order taking a one off action and turning them into characteristic moves was even more egregious with certain droids lol
The old EU games took this to the extreme making each shown use of the force as its own move. In Jedi Fallen Order taking a one off action and turning them into characteristic moves was even more egregious with certain droids lol
I've said this before, but I want the force to be explored in other ways that isn't just light and dark, but even outside violence.
Like, what kind of painting would an artist who uses the force to influence their brush strokes paint? Like I imagine you could make a sort of Dorian Gray type story where maybe the painting takes on the life force or maybe influences people to act a certain way. There might not be any necessary violence, but like imagine a horror story like that Color Purple movie thats coming out where anyone who looks at this painting has some kind of revelation that changes them dramatically.
Imagine like a grifter who uses a sophisticated version of the jedi mind trick and other powers to pull off heists from powerful people. They can be strong in the force not because they fight good, but they have an intuitive knowledge of what to say or what thing to do to make give themselves a clean getaway.
Maybe even a force scientist. Not someone who studies the force, but uses the force to help divine mathematical and algorithmic insight to create things no one has ever done. I'd be down for a prequel where a force user was able to compute consciousness into circuitry, which is why all droids seem to have sentience.
Like, what kind of painting would an artist who uses the force to influence their brush strokes paint? Like I imagine you could make a sort of Dorian Gray type story where maybe the painting takes on the life force or maybe influences people to act a certain way. There might not be any necessary violence, but like imagine a horror story like that Color Purple movie thats coming out where anyone who looks at this painting has some kind of revelation that changes them dramatically.
Imagine like a grifter who uses a sophisticated version of the jedi mind trick and other powers to pull off heists from powerful people. They can be strong in the force not because they fight good, but they have an intuitive knowledge of what to say or what thing to do to make give themselves a clean getaway.
Maybe even a force scientist. Not someone who studies the force, but uses the force to help divine mathematical and algorithmic insight to create things no one has ever done. I'd be down for a prequel where a force user was able to compute consciousness into circuitry, which is why all droids seem to have sentience.
That's not a downside to the dark side. Anakin has a premonition of his loved one dying and is groomed by Palpatine and told the dark side is the only way he can save her.
Yeah I'd use force choke and lightning and shit to kill sith bishes. Idgaf about the Jedi council, not like they could stop you or have a good reason for trying.
People shit on the Jedi because of the prequel trilogies, but seem to overlook that the Galactic Republic and the Jedi Order lasted for twenty five thousand years. So no, I'm not going to pretend that the Jedi's understanding of the Force was nonsense. They clearly knew a thing or two about a thing or two.
Are you really so sure that you're the Force Galileo, able to bring about a radical paradigm shift that turns all understanding of the Force on its head, that you're willing to bet your own sanity on it? All so you can, what, charge your phone with magic?
I don't need to be famous. I don't need to reinvent society. I do need to be someone who doesn't murder children for fun.
The Darkside is Corrupt. It's will make people who use it become an evil at some point.
Using force lightning to charge up a battery? Soon or Later You will try to use it with the people.
If we're talking purely morally, I feel like the jedi mind tricks are some of the least ethical of force powers, even including a bunch of dark side ones like lightning. You're taking away people's free will, whereas lightning is just... lightning. I don't really see how zapping someone is worse than stabbing them with a laser sword.
What I'm saying is the Jedi are a bunch of sanctimonious hyprocrits and their laws make no sense.
What I'm saying is the Jedi are a bunch of sanctimonious hyprocrits and their laws make no sense.
So Mace Windu is evil? Really, Anakin is the only Jedi we saw fall to the dark side. Dooku and Palpatine seem like the types to always have been evil.
Just from a practical viewpoint it's light side all the way. One step along the dark side and you're committed. At which point you're competing for one of two jobs in the entire universe, both of which mean that every Jedi in the universe including your own team mate is trying to destroy you. Hard pass on that thanks.
Dark side is alt-right Republicans. Light side is Bernie Bros Democrats. Grey Jedi is Libertarians.
Dark side is alt-right Republicans. Light side is Bernie Bros Democrats. Grey Jedi is Libertarians.
I wouldn't use them being in power to indicate them as anything other than being in power, for several reasons, among them that the reason they were in power for that long being the sheer contrivance and that just because they kept a government system in power doesn't necessarily mean they kept the people under that government happy.
But other than that....ideally, yeah, being able to discover new ways of thinking about this ethereal phenomenon in the universe would probably be the thing I'd be most interested in doing. Even if I'm wrong, I'd rather try to pursue that than not pursue it. It might lead to my own destruction, but so be it. But it depends on whose writing it of course.
The biggest thing that's wrong about Lucas' interpretation, in terms of how the prequels set it up, is that he blames Anakin's fall to the Dark Side on him loving Padme. Not in a bad way that doesn't respect her agency or in a mad way that is beyond rationality, but just the ordinary passion a man feels for his lover. There are points where he says that Passion = Evil is not the intended message, but in the way it's framed here, that's really what it comes down to, and I don't believe that as a moral framework anymore than I believe a Christian God is legitimately upset that I masturbate. Anakin just wanted his wife to not die and that's idiotically framed as his cardinal sin that lead to him bowing to evil and swearing under Palpatine. Fuck that.
Passion, even overwhelming passion, doesn't inevitably lead to murdered children. I don't buy that shit, and Star Wars is a more interesting universe if I don't accept that as being cosmically true.
That is the Sith way, you can still be a dark side force user that isn't part of the cult of two.
If you use the force to push someone off a building you're still a force saint. If you fine tune your force push to apply pressure on the neck area you risk magically turning into force Hitler. Fuck that nonsense, Kreia was right, the force is bullshit.
In the real world, passion doesn't necessarily lead to child murder. Nor do rings turn people into bald goblins with a speech impediment. But in fantasy stories, sometimes corruption can come from unlikely, even nonsensical sources.
If I wake up in a fantasy land and there's a guy with a gray beard telling me not to eat potatoes because that's the first step along the road to becoming a lich, well okay then. I like potatoes, but I don't need to eat them.
In Canon EU There are many Jedi that fallen to the dark side such as Inquisitor who was a former Jedi.
Even in
have a survivor Jedi master who fallen to the dark side
Also, Mace Windu didn't have any Darkside power.
How do you know your not in a fantasy world now? How do you know that your not a character written in a story where if you masturbate or if you have sex outside marriage or if you wear clothing woven of two kinds of materials, the cosmic ruler of the universe will send to fiery hell where you are tortured for eternity? Because there are plenty of guys with gray beards that say that. Who's to say they're wrong? Don't you want to hedge your bets with them?
As I said in my initial post, not in the movies. The movies have done a very bad job at showing that the dark side makes people bad. It just shows evil people using it.
yes. I've been watching the Star Wars movies for the first time in earnest, like paying attention as an adult. Man... the Jedi were pretty problematic. Then looking at the wiki's, they were just as bad as the sith as far as I can see. They were both bad and it seems like only these fabled grey jedi (jeeze thats dumb) were the only people who "get it"
Maybe people wouldn't have to keep trying to "bring balance to the Force" if they didn't favor/shun one side of it to begin with.
Dark side powers are always great, but I bet Palpatine could use the largest dark-power that only the Jedi seem to be able to do - and that's control people's f'ng minds.
Much like Revan and the Exile in KOTOR 2, the Dark Side isn't inherently evil if you use it for good. People do bad things because they are bad not because some faceless entity commands them to do it.
That seems like a big commitment. Will it turn me to the dark side if I use force lightning to jumpstart my landspeeder or mind trick to pick up chicks at the cantina?Go buy this books.
