And Beskar has been in the old EU. It's also known as Mandalorian Iron. So nothing new here lol
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If you are a Star Wars fan, the Mandalorian feels like industrial grade fan-service (recent episode spoilers)
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It helps to think about what this stuff means to the creatives making the decisions. Like, how do you think it felt for Dave to introduce a character he created over 12 years ago to a metric fuckton of new people in a completely different format with a different actress in a different show.
Same here and the first Star Wars thing I can remember was getting Return of the Jedi period toys for Christmas.
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i know my posts read like i shittin on the show but they really arent,as a fan i am invested to the universe,like if Ahsoka decapitated Mando and took the Child i would be glad lol
The haters are so utterly wrong. Mando has always been fanservice done right, in the sense that if you have no idea what the reference is, it doesn't impact anything. It's just Mando meeting another character. You don't need to have any idea what Bo-Katan or Ahsoka's significance is in the larger Star Wars lore to understand the story or who they are in the show. Most of my non-fan friends had no idea they were even meant to be existing characters and that's intentional.
Honestly the negative reactions to this season are bizarre. Being annoyed because you recognize something is an extremely weird take, and not actual useful criticism. If you really don't think Favreau and Filoni of all people are going somewhere with all this, I don't know what to tell you.
Honestly the negative reactions to this season are bizarre. Being annoyed because you recognize something is an extremely weird take, and not actual useful criticism. If you really don't think Favreau and Filoni of all people are going somewhere with all this, I don't know what to tell you.
and a shit load of civilians would have died because Ahsoka is only one person and it still took her a long-ass time to beat the leader even despite being an insanely talented force user, which was the entire point of how this only works with Mando's help and she knew he was right
Yes, yes and yes. I really love what they did towards the end of last season regarding plot and character. Now I'm just waiting for it to resume.
Mandalorian is just good chill relaxing comfort food.
I gotta read some craziness here about it being the best SW thing ever and the next day it's fanservice desperate garbage. I just want to chill and watch some Boba Fett lookin dude get into fun hijinks every week dammit. I'll replay KOTOR 2 when I want some gourmet food.
I gotta read some craziness here about it being the best SW thing ever and the next day it's fanservice desperate garbage. I just want to chill and watch some Boba Fett lookin dude get into fun hijinks every week dammit. I'll replay KOTOR 2 when I want some gourmet food.
So many Star Wars "fans" here who are unhappy there is too much Star Wars in their Star Wars media. For many of you, hopefully High Republic will scratch that itch — I am doubtful — but for those of us who have seen every Star Wars movie/show/videogame since the beginning and read all of the EU (now Legends), Mandalorian's melding of the old and the new is perfect in my opinion.
That's how I feel, just couldn't articulate my feels for the show in word form.
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How is it fan service if the characters exist in the same time period and universe and there's a reason for them to meet?
"Fan service" is becoming the new "plot holes" level of criticism.
"Fan service" is becoming the new "plot holes" level of criticism.
Honest question, do most Star Wars fans even like Star Wars lol?
I feel like for so many Star Wars fandom is more about how much you hate almost everything about the franchise as opposed to enjoying it?
I mean I get not liking a thing or feeling it was ruined by X, Y, or Z, but why the fuck are people continuing to consume it and hate-watch it if you literally enjoy little to nothing about it lol?
Like if I felt this way about Mando I would just stop watching it. Same with any show(for instance the Walking Dead, when by mid season 2 it was clear the show had no clue how to adapt and develop stories well or write characters).
I feel like for so many Star Wars fandom is more about how much you hate almost everything about the franchise as opposed to enjoying it?
I mean I get not liking a thing or feeling it was ruined by X, Y, or Z, but why the fuck are people continuing to consume it and hate-watch it if you literally enjoy little to nothing about it lol?
Like if I felt this way about Mando I would just stop watching it. Same with any show(for instance the Walking Dead, when by mid season 2 it was clear the show had no clue how to adapt and develop stories well or write characters).
I'm 100% convinced that there are certain groups of Star Wars fans that are impossible to please because they find enjoyment out of Star Wars by actively disliking Star Wars.
Like for some reason people have convinced themselves that at some point Star Wars was the pinnacle of story telling achieving greatness that not even the likes of Iliad could.
Like for some reason people have convinced themselves that at some point Star Wars was the pinnacle of story telling achieving greatness that not even the likes of Iliad could.
Yup, same for me lol
Mandalorian is not perfect, but I still enjoy lots of it for what it is
"What if Zack Snyder was a guest director on The Mandolorian?" will be a thread on this forum on day and that day we will end humanity's reliance on fossil fuels forever due to the sheer volume of combustible energy that's discovered.
People a few years ago: "Haha, it doesn't matter if that cartoon shit is canon, it'll never make any meaningful impact on live action!"
People now: "Wait, what? Why is this cartoon shit now in my live action Star Wars? It..it wasn't supposed to count!"
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Spot on.
It was going to be connected the second it got into Mandalorian stuff because that was a major focus of both Clone Wars and Rebels.
Nah what they need to do is have Merrin take the child and raise it like a night sister. Baby Yoda with magic plus the force for follow up game in the Jedi Fallen Order series.
"Go to the Dagobah system, there you will find Yoda, the master I learned from, he will help you"
BRILLIANT MEANINGFUL WRITING
"Go to Corvus, find Ahsoka Tano, tell her I sent you, she will help you"
FANSERVICE TRASH, THINK OF THE CHILDREN, KIDS ARE GOING TO BE SO CONFUSED, LIKE WHO IS THAT PERSON ANYWAY?
BRILLIANT MEANINGFUL WRITING
"Go to Corvus, find Ahsoka Tano, tell her I sent you, she will help you"
FANSERVICE TRASH, THINK OF THE CHILDREN, KIDS ARE GOING TO BE SO CONFUSED, LIKE WHO IS THAT PERSON ANYWAY?
Some randoms would die and it's her duty to save them, but it's not a personal risk.
She's also portraid so OP that it's not hard to imagine she'd figure something out on her own.
Then there was also never any doubt Mando wouldn't take the deal to hunt the jedi. They could have twisted it around. Don't establish Ahsoka at the start. Mando comes to the city, is told about an enemy he needs to kill. He takes the deal, finds out the enemy is the jedi he is looking for. There you have a conundrum, respect his code of honor or help Ahsoka. Maybe then we could get some character growth and lines like "A Mandalorian and a Jedi" would hit more.
That's only one example though, several episodes are like this. I like the show though, it's just an area that is lacking.
To be honest, Star Wars has always had this problem, even side stories tend to give in and have a connection to the larger narrative and plot eventually, everything is always connected. I don't think this is particularly a bad thing though, as Star Wars as a whole is about family, destiny, and fighting against the cycle of past trauma.
The Mandalorian is the best Star Wars related thing to come out in a very long time, especially compared to the mediocre attempt that was the sequel trilogy. It's a blessing to get such a high budget sci fi show. I also don't see why people are complaining this show is directionless as Mando has a clear short term task that he needs to carry out and each episode gets him closer to it while revealing really cool things from the lore.
Meh, I disagree.
Season 2 is about as "deep" as season 1, and has about as much plot as season 1. The difference is now, there's familiarity to things and characters and yes - familiar characters are coming back into the fold.
Keep in mind, characters like Bo Katan and Ahsoka have had a lot to do with Mandalore's history, so basing the series off of a Mando and a force sensitive was going to naturally go in that direction.
I also think the most recent episode was basically a perfect Mando episode. He arrives somewhere, has to make a choice, and ends up intervening with a local problem and then bounces. It's still very spaghetti western and maintains that level of style over substance sometimes, and I like it for that.
I think this season is as good as the first, and hasn't lost the plot as far as Mando wanting to protect/deliver the child. It's just the fact that familiar characters are coming back is bothering people.
Season 2 is about as "deep" as season 1, and has about as much plot as season 1. The difference is now, there's familiarity to things and characters and yes - familiar characters are coming back into the fold.
Keep in mind, characters like Bo Katan and Ahsoka have had a lot to do with Mandalore's history, so basing the series off of a Mando and a force sensitive was going to naturally go in that direction.
I also think the most recent episode was basically a perfect Mando episode. He arrives somewhere, has to make a choice, and ends up intervening with a local problem and then bounces. It's still very spaghetti western and maintains that level of style over substance sometimes, and I like it for that.
I think this season is as good as the first, and hasn't lost the plot as far as Mando wanting to protect/deliver the child. It's just the fact that familiar characters are coming back is bothering people.
You're basically disagreeing with yourself here. You say the show is losing something by offering empty fan service, when in reality the episode/series doesn't need to concern itself with Ahsoka's Jedi status - we only need her to advance the plot in relation to the child etc.
It was pretty much done perfectly, especially considering you didn't need to know anything about her to get the same intention out of the story - everything was told that needed to be and her portrayal was done super well.
Okay, so I'm not gonna defend this because I mostly agree that this is petty complaint of dumb exposition but the key difference is this is Obiwan, whose deal we know because at the time he was only in one other movie which virtually all the audience has already seen, vs Bo Katan, who mainly the hardcore fans know. For example, I haven't seen clone wars, so I didn't know her deal of what being a deathwatch means or how I'm supposed to feel about her. As far as the Mandalorian informed me, she's a mandalorian like Mando, but slightly different and she just gave him this info as a reward for the sidequest that they were just on, which has no real implications for Mando besides getting that info.
There's no getting around the fact that Mandalorian is really leaning heavily on the part of the audience that watched Clone Wars and Rebels, while ESB only leaned on the audience that saw A New Hope, which was, again, basically everyone who was watching ESB.
Also, it's worth noting the placement of these two lines in each respective narrative. Obiwan says this at the start of the movie. Mandalorian drops this line at the end of the fourth episode of the second season to close it out and will only answer it in the next episode after that. ESB uses it as a jumping point to propel the story of the movie, Mando uses it to conclude it's episodic story of a show.
Look, of all the shit Mandolorian does that isn't impressing me, this is extremely minor and people are making too big a deal out of it. If nothing else, if you're watching a Star Wars spin off TV show in the year of our Yoda 2020, and you're a season and half through it, maybe it's not that unreasonable for the show to spam you with some Star Wars jargon, even if it is a bit awkward when you step back and listen to how it in a normal, out-of-star-wars context and think of what your life is and how disappointed your parents are in you.
Couldn't agree more. Idk what to tell people. Star Wars will always connect things, sometimes better than other times, but overall I feel that this season has been pretty respectful and purposeful in that it doesn't require the audience to know who someone like Cobb Vanth is. At the same time, those who DO know Vanth through engaging with the canon beyond the films is rewarded for their time. I dig it.
The Mandalorian is a kids show. Its on Disney+, its PG, its meant as basically a slightly step above kids cartoons. Its NOT Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, or The Wire. Its supposed to be understood by kids, and its supposed to be watchable by anyone dropping into a random episode, you don't need to watch every episode before to follow along.
I'm really enjoying it, sometimes we have random relatives over and their kids watch too and they love it, which is really a fun energy to be around. I remember all the cool shows I used to watch as a kid - TNG, A-Team, Knight Rider, Family Ties, Dukes of Hazzard, etc - and its nice to see a show with such high production values that has that good mix of wonder, adventure, action, and exploration.
I'm really enjoying it, sometimes we have random relatives over and their kids watch too and they love it, which is really a fun energy to be around. I remember all the cool shows I used to watch as a kid - TNG, A-Team, Knight Rider, Family Ties, Dukes of Hazzard, etc - and its nice to see a show with such high production values that has that good mix of wonder, adventure, action, and exploration.
To be fair, Rebels was structured similarily. Season 1 was overall pretty original in its storytelling and introduced new characters, locations, etc... Then in Season 2, a number of saga (or at least Clone Wars) famous cameos show up. Rebels, however, balanced the original Rebels crew with cameos quite well placing the main focus of the story on the former. In S3 and S4, the cameos are intertwined with the original characters and new ones in a pretty engaging way.
It remains to be seen if Mandalorian can also retain this balance, but with Filoni at the helm, I'm optimistic.
I didn't care for Rebels at all, really. The main character turned me off it completely.
I mean, I don't *love* all of the fan service and this week's episode wasn't my favourite, but on a structural level the show is still fundamentally an episodic problem-of-the-week type thing, and it works like gangbusters on those terms.
S2 E1 for example obviously offers up some
answers on Boba Fett, but the core plot really had nothing to do with the classic "marshal defends his small town from outside threat" plot. The lore is there to make diehards happy and set up other media in a show that is otherwise basically Samurai Jack (in live-action, with a disgustingly huge budget).
S2 E1 for example obviously offers up some
answers on Boba Fett, but the core plot really had nothing to do with the classic "marshal defends his small town from outside threat" plot. The lore is there to make diehards happy and set up other media in a show that is otherwise basically Samurai Jack (in live-action, with a disgustingly huge budget).
But the thing is...the problem everyone keeps pushing is that you "are supposed to know" these characters. And it's a problem that does not exist.
You aren't supposed to know who these are. For so many newcomers these are just characters on the same level as Frog Lady or Greef, no one is "confused" and no one is complaining.
This is the only place where there's apparently quite a bit of "confused wifes". Reaction on social media has been extremely positive.
After almost 10 years of MCU domination, folks here are still pushing the "confused audience" when in the real world what happens is one the following:
1-"I can't wait for this mysterious character at the end of the Avengers to appear! No spoilers please!"
2-"Hey nerdy friend Who is that guy at the end of Avengers, is he important?"
"Actually yeah in the comics...."
"THAT'S COOL, I can't wait to see more of him!,"
This place is completely disconnected with actual audiences, they are not "relying" on characters that 90% of the audience are knowing for the first time ever
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This is kind of ignoring the cinematic language this is presented in. Frog lady was introduced as the unimportant plot device she was. "hey, there's this thing you gotta do, take her to planet whatever" It was just another of the eternal string of "your princess is in another castle"'s that Mando is sent on to get Grogu to the Jedi and they were super apparent about that.
Meanwhile, when Bo-Katan tells Mando to find Ahsoka Tahno, there is clear dramatic weight to the scene. The audience is expected to go "Ooooooooooh shiiiiiiiiiiit" when she says that, and the part of the audience that watched clone wars reacts appropriately. Meanwhile, the part of the audience that didn't know they're missing out on something, but don't know what, and that's an annoying feeling, even if they don't literally need to know her for it to be meaningful.
Edit: I should mention your overall right. I don't think the "confused audience" argument has any legs, especially after the MCU did what it did. But I wouldn't say they present these characters on the level of Frog Lady or Greef, that's all.
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