I mean, if you are going to lop off parts of the USA. We'll need to lop off parts of Canada as well. It may hurt to say, but we'll have to part ways with Alberta and part of Saskatchewan. Maybe they can join the central USA and become The Theocratic Republic of OilandiaIt means this is the next step
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If Trump wins what does that say about America?
- Thread starter Wag
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I don't know how many conservative women are okay with being told where they fit in a man's America and the conditions that acceptance is contingent upon but here it is:
I hope progressive women and WoC take note. Don't let conservatives ruin your lives.
I hope progressive women and WoC take note. Don't let conservatives ruin your lives.
Not so.
Last time a lot of people didn't vote, probably not caring enough or being in the Hillary will win anyway camp. There was very little doubt what a Trump president would mean... but there was some doubt. You might have expected for instance that once he won he would make some attempt at doing the job.
Or possibly, those people are in the "Trump isn't evil/conservative enough" camp, so didn't turn out...
That is what we find out. We know the portion of people who voted last time and where they stand. But the rest? If they don't vote this time or worse vote for Trump, it is clear the whole country is gone.
One last chance.
On a world scale, it is terrifying. If 250k Americans getting killed can be shrugged away and Trump wins? Imagine how many millions of foreigners could be killed with the same indifference. Literally a blank cheque to do whatever he wants.
No. But things can be repaired. We wont have the president of the United states sowing division and hate anymore. We will have someone who actually knows what the fuck they are doing.
Most reliable polling puts him around 10% to win.
Also worth remembering that his total votes in 2016 amount to about 19% of the population of the United States. Biden already has that many just from early voting. Before painting all of America with the trash brush, consider that Trump's presidency is very, very much the tyranny of a minority empowered by a garbage system.
The founders didn't think direct Democracy was a good thing because of
a)Populism (Haha... yeah)
b)Because people on opposite ends of the country wouldn't know anything about people running for President. Remember, your transportation was on horseback, there were no phones, TV, internet, etc... So people knew about mainly local issues. Electors were supposed to be well educated folks who kept up with national news.
c)Finally, founders were mostly rich landowners who didn't want the proles directly electing leaders.
If he wins legitimately? The US is racist.
If he steals the election? How does it feel to be a banana republic for once, America?
If he steals the election? How does it feel to be a banana republic for once, America?
I am absolutely emigrating if he wins. I've already been saving up and researching. The scariest thing is that I truly believe that a fascist government with the US's economy and military will destroy the modern world very quickly regardless of where I move.
It'll be the same country with the same racist systems, but the racist will be emboldened even more
Until Republicans gain control again. Democrats constantly lost power during the Obama administration while Obama was giving us a great economy so after that I figure it's just a matter of time before it happens again.
Until Republicans gain control again. Democrats constantly lost power during the Obama administration while Obama was giving us a great economy so after that I figure it's just a matter of time before it happens again.
I have a lifetime residency to the United Kingdom, and while they have their own problems, it's something I think about. Of course, I've also had people sling shit at me on this forum for suggesting something so "cowardly", but oh well.
America's international reputation has already been irrevocably damaged as far as I can tell, but it would be hard to take the country seriously ever again if close to half the country could still vote for him at this point. Granted, he could win with as low as ~25% of the vote because of your ridiculous Electoral College.
The US used to be my top travel destination, but I honestly have zero desire to go there anymore.
The US used to be my top travel destination, but I honestly have zero desire to go there anymore.
What we've known for a while: that a huge number of people want modern America to be a fascist, theocratic dictatorship and the people who don't want that spend too much time on the internet whining about "both sides" while neglecting to vote.
Trump is America and America is Trump.
You have to remember that till your dying day. Stay politically engaged and vigilant against these people always.
You have to remember that till your dying day. Stay politically engaged and vigilant against these people always.
That's why it's a reaffirmation, I was very careful with my word choice :P
The same thing it said last time. Also I know we all like to dogpile the US but populist right wing parties are winning all over the world, it's not just a US problem.
America was always shitty. This is just what it takes for liberals to realize it.
I say this as a former liberal turned socialist.
I say this as a former liberal turned socialist.
If he won, it would be that our institutions are broken and that minority rule is achievable/more likely going forward.
All the data suggests that the majority of likely voters want Biden as president, and it's not really a question in my mind that he will win the popular vote, but with some fuckery Trump still has a shot. This isn't how things should work and it's not as much an indictment on the majority of Americans as it is of who we've entrusted to lead our government.
All the data suggests that the majority of likely voters want Biden as president, and it's not really a question in my mind that he will win the popular vote, but with some fuckery Trump still has a shot. This isn't how things should work and it's not as much an indictment on the majority of Americans as it is of who we've entrusted to lead our government.
Then we will all welcome our new overlord China. 4 more years of Trump will erode the world's trust of the US beyond redemption. I can't begin to comprehend how a democracy can vote for a hateful, corrupt, incompetent con man such as Trump. His handling of the pandemic alone should have him forced out of the White House due to sheer incompetence. Yet, here we are right now that there is still some uncertainty that this piece of shit might still win it.
That it solidies what we ready know, it's a racist to it's core country. I mean there is really no other way to look at it.
Everything that's needed to be said about America has been said loud and clear for a while now
Unfortunately the people that are listening to that message aren't Americans.
Unfortunately the people that are listening to that message aren't Americans.
Well, it wouldn't look good, but I'm mostly disinterested in such a question because there will always be problems in this country. It just becomes that much more difficult to deal with in that case.
Will it feel and be more dangerous at an individual level? I'm sure it will, but I also refuse to change how I conduct myself. No amount of bullying and lies will ever change that.
Will it feel and be more dangerous at an individual level? I'm sure it will, but I also refuse to change how I conduct myself. No amount of bullying and lies will ever change that.
Nothing that wasn't already known, and nothing that people of color (particularly Black people), have been saying about this country for generations. Only it will no longer be as hidden and downplayed as it's been the past 40 years.
While, yes, the voting system is busted, but what's more busted is the fact that our country is built on principals of slavery and oppression. It's baked into the DNA of this place. It permeates every facet of it, from governmental, to judicial, to social, to economical. A broken electoral system isn't the root, it's a symptom.
While, yes, the voting system is busted, but what's more busted is the fact that our country is built on principals of slavery and oppression. It's baked into the DNA of this place. It permeates every facet of it, from governmental, to judicial, to social, to economical. A broken electoral system isn't the root, it's a symptom.
It says the electoral college should have been abolished decades ago. It's very existence is an affront to democracy.
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Oh, that's good news for the Phillippines. I haven't been keeping up with that situation, hope things turn for the better there.
