They don't actually care about Persona 5 coming to Switch or not they just want to complain about Joker being in Smash period.
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If Persona 5 never comes to Switch, why do you think Joker was chosen over more famous characters like Tracer, 2B etc?
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Kind of impossible to speculate accurately with what we know.
For all we know Atlus reached out for a business deal in a very popular game to both earn revenue and brand awareness. Who knows.
For all we know Atlus reached out for a business deal in a very popular game to both earn revenue and brand awareness. Who knows.
The way things are shaking up on ERA half the forum would look stupid on 4/24 for sure.
Now which side will it be it's yet to be seen.
Now which side will it be it's yet to be seen.
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Hopefully this scenario would give some hope to Master Chief in Smash :(
Also I would like to ad a disclaimer that I would choose like 50 characters for smash before considering Joker.
But I can absolutely understand why he was choosen and I will buy him
(and would buy even if they add the character I want the less =P)
The DATAMININGS have been on point so far =P
But I can absolutely understand why he was choosen and I will buy him
(and would buy even if they add the character I want the less =P)
The DATAMININGS have been on point so far =P
This thread is ridiculous lol.
2B is not more famous than Persona or Joker, come on. Tap me when she stars in her own anime, several spin off games, or when Nier has any sort of association with Nintendo whatsoever.
Also, you're not gonna get characters from popular western franchises in a game dedicated to celebrating the Japanese side of gaming.
2B is not more famous than Persona or Joker, come on. Tap me when she stars in her own anime, several spin off games, or when Nier has any sort of association with Nintendo whatsoever.
Also, you're not gonna get characters from popular western franchises in a game dedicated to celebrating the Japanese side of gaming.
This whole "Joker is TECHNICALLY already in a game on a nintendo console" doesn't really work when they're specifically calling out Persona 5 though.
Why didn't they just say SSBxPersona ? or SSBxAtlus? or even SSBxPQ?
Why didn't they just say SSBxPersona ? or SSBxAtlus? or even SSBxPQ?
Let's counter this.
1. Link is a character with literally no personality in a game that hes completely silent. (Joker isn't completely silent.). I can keep adding to this list too.
2. Lara croft uses guns, tracer uses guns (no idea what you mean here)
3. I can disagree here, especially recently that the Persona franchise grew significantly in popularity thanks to Persona 5. Sales =/= popularity of a character
4. Joker will promote Persona 5 (and the franchise as a whole) Hence Persona 5 X Smash bros when announced. SMT is also part of that promotion. SMT is the main franchise of games, Persona is a spin-off that turned into its own franchise. 3DS in america is getting PQ2 this June. If the rumored Switch version is going to get announced (just because it wasnt today, which most of us were expecting) it would be at P-Live super event, E3, or another larger event. Not the ending of an anime.
5. This is completely irreverent to smash bros. You wont date or whatever in the game.
6. Your point being? We have corrin and Robin who do the same.
I am sorry you are confused, but you seem to have put all your hope in one basket (an anime, which only provided a teaser, and another teaser now). Joker was chosen because Nintendo wanted him, in addition, I think Sakurai had a say too because He flat out stated Persona 5 is one of his favorite games of all time (he also stated that the UI of Persona 5 directly influenced the UI in smash bros ultimate). You will completely count Bayo too because She came to the switch before smash's release. As others stated in this thread, Atlus and Nintendo always had a great relationship and its mutually beneficial.
Agreed. here.
True that.
2B would be a fantastic choice as well tbh. We still got 4 slots left (despte any rumors going around, not believing them til they materialize). I also see nintendo not toning down her sex appeal either (if anything they seem to be fine with the original sources now). So i would hope she comes. In terms of popularity? Honestly, i would say Persona has a slight advantage because Its pushed more than Nier (in terms of marketing and what I see these days). Both were fairly niche franchises until the releases of Automata and 5 correct? Regardless of popularity, i would love to see 2B's inclusion too.
Sales dont matter tbh. Game itself was fantastic, which is why it sold. Also the fact it came out of no where when no one expected it too.
Street fighter is represented in the game in quite a few ways and plentiful. Also Sakurai stated they are Brand new characters not existing in the game already. So by that standard she wouldnt be in.
Old Lara I can see happening maybe. new lara? naw. But once again Nintendo's choice in the end. Im sure sakurai gets a say, but they ultimately make the final call.
Also can someone correct me if im wrong. I believe when they announced the DLC, they said Nintendo wanted to promote NEW/less represented franchises on the switch and new franchises in general to smash?
I really don't think it's that complicated.
P5 isn't the biggest game in terms of absolute numbers, but it's a very "hot" game. It's eye catching, it gets people talking, it's pretty influential. Nier Automata is like that as well. I'd say their positions are pretty comparable.
As for why one was chosen over the other, who knows, I don't think it's a big deal. Maybe they have data that shows a large overlap between Persona fans and Nintendo fans, maybe they're responding to fan requests for Atlus characters in the Smash ballot, maybe they just want to show Atlus some love. Any number of small things could have tipped the scales in Joker's favor.
P5 isn't the biggest game in terms of absolute numbers, but it's a very "hot" game. It's eye catching, it gets people talking, it's pretty influential. Nier Automata is like that as well. I'd say their positions are pretty comparable.
As for why one was chosen over the other, who knows, I don't think it's a big deal. Maybe they have data that shows a large overlap between Persona fans and Nintendo fans, maybe they're responding to fan requests for Atlus characters in the Smash ballot, maybe they just want to show Atlus some love. Any number of small things could have tipped the scales in Joker's favor.
I firmly believe some P5 port is coming to switch, that is why I am against some of the reasoning here
Of course there is a chance it doesnt come, but in that case I think Nintendo did some bad business move
They did the same with Final Fantasy VII, not the series as a whole, with Cloud in the trailer years before FFVII actually was announced.This whole "Joker is TECHNICALLY already in a game on a nintendo console" doesn't really work when they're specifically calling out Persona 5 though.
Why didn't they just say SSBxPersona ? or SSBxAtlus? or even SSBxPQ?
Same reason why Cloud isn't a Final Fantasy rep, he's a Final Fantasy 7 repThis whole "Joker is TECHNICALLY already in a game on a nintendo console" doesn't really work when they're specifically calling out Persona 5 though.
Why didn't they just say SSBxPersona ? or SSBxAtlus? or even SSBxPQ?
Three things:
1) why is using guns listed as a negative?
2) Joker is way more popular than 2B, game sales don't matter. Joker's had a ton of publicity by being nominated to the VGA in 2017 and now by his Smash trailer.
3) Saying that silent characters have no personality makes no sense. I guess Mario doesn't have a personality as well, considering he speaks about as much as Joker.
1) why is using guns listed as a negative?
2) Joker is way more popular than 2B, game sales don't matter. Joker's had a ton of publicity by being nominated to the VGA in 2017 and now by his Smash trailer.
3) Saying that silent characters have no personality makes no sense. I guess Mario doesn't have a personality as well, considering he speaks about as much as Joker.
No you see he is a western third party character and there hasn't been a western third party character yet which means that is clearly a binding rule that Smash will always follow.
Because this thread would still still exist no matter who they picked.
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See here's the thing
People argued against Tracer because "she uses guns" or "she isn't in a Nintendo game"
But now Joker is in the game.
That's the whole point.
Thank you. Goku has stronger ties to Nintendo than every third party mentioned in this thread. Stronger ties than most third parties already in Smash sans MegaMan, Ryu, PacMan and Bayo.
It would be mutually beneficial if there was no new game being released at the same time of the DLC. If there are no P5 game for switch Atlus gets benefitted way more than nintendo in this deal, even sony gets benefitted more
Firstly, Persona 5 is never coming to Switch...
...so this was probably due to ATLUS wanting their own rep (or Nintendo wanting an ATLUS rep). Joker is most definitely the most well-known ATLUS character at the moment so he was a perfect fit for that place; for Nintendo his inclusion was a complete surprise that drove hype for Smash and its DLC.
...so this was probably due to ATLUS wanting their own rep (or Nintendo wanting an ATLUS rep). Joker is most definitely the most well-known ATLUS character at the moment so he was a perfect fit for that place; for Nintendo his inclusion was a complete surprise that drove hype for Smash and its DLC.
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I don't love Steve but at least he makes sense and I would be like "oh, okay"
Steve would be like Incineroar level for me... I get it.
Joker I don't like and there's no business reason I can see why he's in the game.
Joker also has a knife which is likely going to be his primary weapon. I doubt he'll even have his gun.
Also there's this thing called a Persona you might have heard of? It's what the series is named after.
Looks like this.
Just guessing but I think this might be what his move set will be based around.
Persona Q2 comes out in the West in June on 3DS and Joker is on the cover of that. Also again it's probably Nintendo just being nice.
Yeah it is not like Nintendo did a crossover game with
So do you think it is just coincidence that P5R is being revealed at the same time Joker in smash is being revealed? What about the new girl being in smash too? Nintendo just accepted to include in smash a completely new character that has no proven popularity?
Nintendo is a corporation, they don't things to just be nice
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"Female character whose game sold more is only popular in porn" is a... take.
I suppose?
Now call me crazy, but I think this thread was made to complain about Persona rather than argue in good faith.
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I strongly dislike Persona and I'm not hiding that.
I'm just left baffled at the business decision by Nintendo here.
Good question.This whole "Joker is TECHNICALLY already in a game on a nintendo console" doesn't really work when they're specifically calling out Persona 5 though.
Why didn't they just say SSBxPersona ? or SSBxAtlus? or even SSBxPQ?
What about Cloud, is not a good response to what is being asked, because a Gaming Icon with the infamous 'Betrayalton' history vs latest exclusive Protag on PS4 is not in the same league of warranting a pass from fans. And if you ask Nintendo fans, I don't think many of them will say we excuse Cloud from the same bitterness we feel about Joker. Cloud still has a sour taste for many. Nintendo allowing this to repeat is not going to stop people feeling a way about it.
I think everyone takes for granted just how lucky smash is that nintendo's 1st party studios, let alone 3rd party ones, work with them to get characters into the game.
PS All Stars couldnt even get fucking Wander from SoTC because the devs didnt think Wander would "fit in". Which is a 1st party IP.
Then for 3rd parties Activision didnt even wanna hand over Crash.
I like Persona and I agree with OP that it makes no sense to Nintendo to just add Joker to Smash at the same time Atlus is revealing a new P5 game
They probably needed an Atlus rep and he's the closest thing Atlus has to a "face" character right now. Nintendo knew his inclusion in Smash would draw headlines whereas including some character from one of the SMT games (I know I can't think of a single one's name from any of those off the top of my head) would probably draw little more than shrugs. Plus him starring in a soon to release 3DS game probably helps.
Rope in those that don't have Switch, announcer is Joker's voice actor, good relationship with Sega and Atlus, and it's a series from Japan, popular in the west.
There's crazier choices they could have made, and considering this was revealed before launch, I'm sure those are coming.
There's crazier choices they could have made, and considering this was revealed before launch, I'm sure those are coming.
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