Hold on, that's not what it is?Okay I never followed this at all and I'll be real with everyone
I thought this was a remake of the 1st game with the old MC.
I thought right up until this thread.
Shows how much I follow Nier LOL
Hold on, that's not what it is?Okay I never followed this at all and I'll be real with everyone
I thought this was a remake of the 1st game with the old MC.
I thought right up until this thread.
Shows how much I follow Nier LOL
"With the old MC" no
didn't brother nier have a much worse backstory than father nier
What were the differences between the original two games on PS360? Just two different characters? Model swaps, different lines? Or a whole different story, combat, etc? I've always been confused by this.
By "old MC" in this case I mean the original brother Nier. Is that not the case? Who's the new guy then?
Oh okay, then you're right. By "old MC" I think the other poster mean the older aged character, which this remake will not star.By "old MC" in this case I mean the original brother Nier. Is that not the case? Who's the new guy then?
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I was making a joke, though I forgot about that.?
the Shadowlord design changes with Nier designs, heck brother Nier Shadowlord design actually changes once the time skip happens unlike father Nier
imo it looks so much better then what father nier gets
It's a glorified skin swap.I am not gonna buy it just because they said so. If they add him I will buy it. If not then I will stick with the OG.
Father Nier is one of the biggest reasons I liked the original. If he isn't in the game then I don't care about it.
You know this is false
To me it is like if they took Kratos or Doom guy and then replaced them with some skinny anime teen.
Agreed.
From my understanding any changes to the actual story and characterization is minimal.
How does it feel different? It's a about a guardian going through hell and making mistakes to protect their charge. Playing as a dumb anime teen or a melting Gary Busey wax figure shouldn't change that.To me it is like if they took Kratos or Doom guy and then replaced them with some skinny anime teen.
Sure it is just "changing the model" but the whole experience changes.
So yeah, unless they bringing him back I am skipping.
Agreed.
The way Father Nier feels in the story is very different to Brother Nier.
I don't know how else to explain it to you.How does it feel different? It's a about a guardian going through hell and making mistakes to protect their charge. Playing as a dumb anime teen or a melting Gary Busey was figure shouldn't change that.
My thoughts exactly lol.
Papa Nier isn't Kratos so no I don't see it.I don't know how else to explain it to you.
Imagine in GOW where Kratos turned from this mad brute into this skinny teen that is mad. The whole story would feel different and not as effective. The story might be the same but the theme and vibe would be very different.
Then there are also the voice. Old Nier was awesome and that can't be replaced.
I doubt we will see eye to eye so I will give you a last example.Papa Nier isn't Kratos so no I don't see it.
Also in this case it's more like if Capcom replaces Dante with Kratos since brother Nier was first and the story was written for him.
It's fine to prefer the father-daughter relationship over the brother-sister one, but I think saying it's "not as effective" and this "skinny teen" characterisation as negative is a bit odd. It's not like the reverse doesn't work either. "Imagine they turned a loving sibling into an elderly barbaric steroid-imbued thug wearing a corny batman reject mask that smooches a 20 year old."Imagine in GOW where Kratos turned from this mad brute into this skinny teen that is mad. The whole story would feel different and not as effective. The story might be the same but the theme and vibe would be very different.
Just for the record, I mean effective to me personally.It's fine to prefer the father-daughter relationship over the brother-sister one, but I think saying it's "not as effective" and this "skinny teen" characterisation as negative is a bit odd. It's not like the reverse doesn't work either. "Imagine they turned a loving sibling into an elderly barbaric steroid-imbued thug wearing a corny batman reject mask that smooches a 20 year old."
Yeah fingers crossed for alt outfits lol.Though I agree, that thing with Kaine was always weird to me. Then again, Kaine's whole character has stuff that I would prefer they change like her character design.
I had no idea that people hated brother Nier so much, his design and story is better than papa Nier imo.
I remember reading it too so you are not alone in thinking this.The irony of bringing up God of War is that what Yoichi Wada wanted Nier to appeal to that audience in the West.
Edit: To clarify, I mean Wada wanted a game similar in tone/style to God of War (original games) and that eventually led to NieR Gestalt and Replicant being created. Take that with a grain of salt because I'm having trouble finding a source but I remember reading that years ago.
I would want to hope but a voice inside tells me they wont.
It taking the trauma of losing Yonah and Kaine, plus four years, for an adult to figure out how to wield two handed weapons seemed really weird to me at the time.As much as I like Papa Nier way more , it's clear the story is written for Brother Nier
In the timeskip you go from a kid to an adult. In Gestalt you go from an old man to an old man with an eye patch lol
Yeah, that's why I'm kinda blasé on the whole thing. The Nier Yohna dynamic feels more natural as Father-Daughter relationship. However, Brother Nier and Kainé dynamic seems like it would feel more natural.Though I agree, that thing with Kaine was always weird to me. Then again, Kaine's whole character has stuff that I would prefer they change like her character design.
It would be great if they take this chance to fix it if Father Nier does get patched in.Yeah, that's why I'm kinda blasé on the whole thing. The Nier Yohna dynamic feels more natural as Father-Daughter relationship. However, Brother Nier and Kainé dynamic seems like it would feel more natural.
comparing nier to persona 3 portable doesn't seem fair. like most people have in Nier it's a glorified skin swap with a different VA, in P3P the you get a whole different set of social links depending on who you chose which is way more the what Nier doesI doubt we will see eye to eye so I will give you a last example.
Persona 3. In the portable version you can play either as a guy or a girl. Both have the same exact story but they feel very different. The guy is more of a loner while the girl is more cheery.
That's how it feels to me. In Persona 3's case I like both sides but in Nier I prefer Father Nier because it is just better to me. You might not agree but that doesn't mean it doesn't feel different.