If movies were made based on the last two GoT books that are coming out would this be enough to wash away that malarkey called season 8?

Canuckreefer · Jan 3, 2020

So I'm up and reading(listening through audiobooks as well) the GoT books(just started Storm of Swords), and I am quite pleased and intend to finish them all before the last books come out so I can get rid of the bad taste called Season 8.
However I was wondering how much of an interest this would get if movies were made based on the 2 final books which would be close to identical to them. Meaning they could use the same actors, introduce new ones(for following the books). If people complain about it not being like the series they could always be referred to read the damn books or shut up.
I think something like this could work no?

Gigglepoo · Jan 3, 2020

The book series won't be finished for 10-20 years (and, yes, the books will definitely be finished even if Martin isn't the one to pen them). By the time A Dream of Spring is out, I think we'll be ready for a full-blown reboot. It might be animated the second time, or maybe they'll try to do a live-action retelling, but I think it will happen. People loved the series until the final few seasons so running it back again with the promise of a legit payoff after all the build up would still garner a huge audience.

Two movies wouldn't be nearly enough time to tell the story properly. If you think the last few seasons were rushed, just imagine cramming all that into 3 hours.

adj_noun · Jan 3, 2020

Best of all, imagine the kind of film tech we'll be able to experience in 2064.

Should be sweet.

SquirrelSaysNuts · Jan 3, 2020

I won't happen as long as HBO has the rights to the ASOIAF stories.

Speevy · Jan 3, 2020

I think they should just pick up where they left off.

A new ruthless king arrives and throws Bran and all the rest into Blackwater Bay, starts burning villages/hiking taxes, and we've got a show again.

cecilpaladin32 · Jan 3, 2020

Is this your first time experiencing the books? The first three books are fantastic, but the quality of both Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons is much lower imho...I hope that Winds of Winter and A Hope for Spring turn out well, but I'm not holding my breath.

Deleted member 46948 · Jan 3, 2020

First 3 books are great, 4th is so-so and ADWD is a dumpster fire. I fully expect the last two books to be crap, if they ever come out (and that's a very big if).
So, no.

Brazil · Jan 3, 2020

I'd have no interest in that. Do a Dunk & Egg show instead (and don't let D&D come even close to it even for a second.)

Edit: Going by the tone of the thread, it's probably worth saying that I love all 5 books thus far. Storm of Swords is obviously the best, but the two that follow it expand the world in super fun ways.

Deleted member 18360 · Jan 3, 2020

Perhaps but you can't bring me to actively imagine it.

Openrob · Jan 3, 2020

The huge cast of characters and plotlines works for TV, but not for a film.

The last 2 seasons obviously focused more on Danny & Jon, but with the books the central through line isn't as clear which you usually need for cinema.

Also, the strength of the early seasons was the dialogue and interaction between characters, as opposed to simply plot progression - something I think a film would struggle with.

WolfeTone · Jan 3, 2020

A movie or multiple films would be too rushed for all the plot points needing resolution in the final 2 books. The strength of the books is giving the world time to breathe and allowing you to believe in the credibility of this universe and the actions of the characters. Even the TV show at it's best struggled with this.

Canuckreefer · Jan 3, 2020

dekdek said:
I won't happen as long as HBO has the rights to the ASOIAF stories.

If HBO pumps them out I have no issues
I just want season 8 destroyed forever like when someone in Dragon Ball that is already dead dies in the other dimension or like when Beerus destroys someone.
Fucking D&D 🤬

Brakke · Jan 3, 2020

One of the big reasons the last seasons struggled was they were trying to cram thousands of pages of material into not nearly enough runtime. Dunno how doing a movie instead could possibly help.

Canuckreefer · Jan 3, 2020

Gigglepoo said:
The book series won't be finished for 10-20 years (and, yes, the books will definitely be finished even if Martin isn't the one to pen them). By the time A Dream of Spring is out, I think we'll be ready for a full-blown reboot. It might be animated the second time, or maybe they'll try to do a live-action retelling, but I think it will happen. People loved the series until the final few seasons so running it back again with the promise of a legit payoff after all the build up would still garner a huge audience.

Two movies wouldn't be nearly enough time to tell the story properly. If you think the last few seasons were rushed, just imagine cramming all that into 3 hours.

They could go the Lord of the Rings route no?
But I wouldn't be opposed to a tv show as well

Canuckreefer · Jan 3, 2020

Brakke said:
One of the big reasons the last seasons struggled was they were trying to cram thousands of pages of material into not nearly enough runtime. Dunno how doing a movie instead could possibly help.

Yeah D&D punk asses didn't want to do 10 seasons and 10 episodes each though that's their own stupid fault. HBO gave this option to them and they said no because they realized they were shit workers and couldn't do that so they exited asap.

Brakke · Jan 3, 2020

Don't quote me with your deranged fanfics pls.

Gigglepoo · Jan 3, 2020

Brakke said:
One of the big reasons the last seasons struggled was they were trying to cram thousands of pages of material into not nearly enough runtime. Dunno how doing a movie instead could possibly help.

That's not true, though. They never bothered adapting most of Feast or Dance. The lsat three seasons are bad because D&D wrote bad scripts.

NookSports · Jan 3, 2020

Canuckreefer said:
Yeah D&D punk asses didn't want to do 10 seasons and 10 episodes each though that's their own stupid fault. HBO gave this option to them and they said no because they realized they were shit workers and couldn't do that so they exited asap.

I really don't get why they did that. Like, just step away and collect the residuals.

AzorAhai · Jan 3, 2020

Anime reboot. That's the only way.

Emwitus · Jan 3, 2020

Canuckreefer said:
So I'm up and reading(listening through audiobooks as well) the GoT books(just started Storm of Swords), and I am quite pleased and intend to finish them all before the last books come out so I can get rid of the bad taste called Season 8.
However I was wondering how much of an interest this would get if movies were made based on the 2 final books which would be close to identical to them. Meaning they could use the same actors, introduce new ones(for following the books). If people complain about it not being like the series they could always be referred to read the damn books or shut up.
I think something like this could work no?

Not everyone hated season 8

iksenpets · Jan 3, 2020

A two-hour movie adaptation of any of those books, even if the books end up great, would be infinitely worse than what the show dreamt up.

RDreamer · Jan 3, 2020

They'd likely be fairly massive books, so no I don't think you could do them in a movie a piece. You'd need quite a bit.

And it wouldn't connect at all considering it's about season 5 when things really go off the rails compared to the books.

The Unsent · Jan 3, 2020

To be honest, I think the controversial twists of series 8 were probably meant to be in the books if they came out, Dany becomes a war criminal, Bran becomes King, the war continues after the defeat of the white walkers like the scouring of the shire. Maise Williams and the 'kids' would be proper adults even if the books got finished. Bran's actor already looks very tall and matured for playing a kid, which is fine, it's reality.

Deleted member 18360 · Jan 3, 2020

Brakke said:
One of the big reasons the last seasons struggled was they were trying to cram thousands of pages of material into not nearly enough runtime. Dunno how doing a movie instead could possibly help.

I think a big part of it was that the writers should have bit the bullet and penned a tv original ending a lot earlier, so even if their ending was weaker or more conventional than something GRRM would write, it could have still been executed properly. Instead having to rush to a half baked ending kind of compounded things imo.

Sho_Nuff82 · Jan 3, 2020

Only if the first film opened with Daenerys reliving her closing scene from Season 8, then waking up going, "Man, that was a stupid dream."

Heshinsi · Jan 3, 2020

The ending isn't changing right, just the path to it? So we'll still have Tyrion recommend Bran out of nowhere to be king, the North somehow being allowed to be independent, the Dornish who never even bent the knee to dragons submit while having an untouched army, the Greyjoys who have been fighting for independence for decades also submit even though the crown has no real way to project power, John going beyond the wall, Dany dying the why she did and for the same reasons, the White Walker threat not really being much of a threat, etc.

If that's all still happening, they shouldn't even bother with it. A polished turd is still at the end of the day a turd.

PHOENIXZERO · Jan 3, 2020

You know how many movies you'd need to properly do the last two books? Assuming they're not the meandering, filler filled messes of the last two books that could be upwards of 3,000 pages. No one has time for that shit being made into actual movies.

Keikaku · Jan 3, 2020

Maybe if someone else writes the last book and changes the ending.

Emwitus · Jan 3, 2020

Fans cant come to terms to the fact that everything has to end.

Brakke · Jan 3, 2020

Gigglepoo said:
That's not true, though. They never bothered adapting most of Feast or Dance. The lsat three seasons are bad because D&D wrote bad scripts.

Cutting Dick Crabb was "adapting" him by way of cramming too much material into not enough time.

What is the distinction you're making?

umop 3pisdn said:
I think a big part of it was that the writers should have bit the bullet and penned a tv original ending a lot earlier, so even if their ending was weaker or more conventional than something GRRM would write, it could have still been executed properly. Instead having to rush to a half baked ending kind of compounded things imo.

Yeah probably.

Deleted member 52442 · Jan 3, 2020

GRRM is never finishing the books

Gigglepoo · Jan 3, 2020

umop 3pisdn said:
I think a big part of it was that the writers should have bit the bullet and penned a tv original ending a lot earlier, so even if their ending was weaker or more conventional than something GRRM would write, it could have still been executed properly. Instead having to rush to a half baked ending kind of compounded things imo.

They started working toward their own ending after either the second or third season. They did spend years with what we got.

Kegels said:
GRRM is never finishing the books

Why is this relevant? The books will be finished one way or another and this thread is about what should happen adaption wise when A Song of Ice and Fire is done.

Brakke said:
Cutting Dick Crabb was "adapting" him by way of cramming too much material into not enough time.

What is the distinction you're making?

D&D didn't adapt the final 3+ seasons. They took what Martin told them about his plans and did whatever they wanted to do. That's pretty different from cramming thousands of pages into a few seasons like the poster I was responding to said.

Deleted member 18360 · Jan 3, 2020

Gigglepoo said:
They started working toward their own ending after either the second or third season. They did spend years with what we got.

Lol wow if true.

Valiant · Jan 3, 2020

Just read the books? Why do you need movies of them?

The show was only good when it relied heavily on the works of GRRM. Whenever they tried to do their own thing and eventually go off the books it was bad and didn't really add anything to the narrative.

Hollywood Duo · Jan 3, 2020

You can't just start from that book it would be incomprehensible.

Deleted member 52442 · Jan 3, 2020

Gigglepoo said:
Why is this relevant? The books will be finished one way or another and this thread is about what should happen adaption wise when A Song of Ice and Fire is done.

OneFairfax: "Do you think Daniel and Tyler could eventually write stories in the ASOIAF universe?"
George R.R. Martin: "Uh… no."
OneFairfax: "Do you see anyone? Or will ASOIAF books forever remain your work alone?"
George R.R. Martin: "I don't see anyone else ever writing (legally) in that universe."

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if he doesnt finish he will not let anyone else finish and hes not going to finish

Canuckreefer · Jan 3, 2020

Hollywood Duo said:
You can't just start from that book it would be incomprehensible.

Those adaptations would be only for the book readers.
If people can't understand then they go read the books.
I'm reading/audio listening the books they should be able to do the same if they want to understand.
As I said its really to wash away that bullshit called season 8

Kalor · Jan 3, 2020

Movies wouldn't be long enough to cover them in a satisfying way even with multiple entries unless the last two books are drasticly different from the previous ones. Im sure they'll reboot the show in 15/20 years time and stick closer to the books.

Hollywood Duo · Jan 3, 2020

Canuckreefer said:
Those adaptations would be only for the book readers.
If people can't understand then they go read the books.
I'm reading/audio listening the books they should be able to do the same if they want to understand.
As I said its really to wash away that bullshit called season 8

I hope you understand why that is a completely unrealistic expectation.

Joni · Jan 3, 2020

Canuckreefer said:
They could go the Lord of the Rings route no?
But I wouldn't be opposed to a tv show as well

The Lord of the Rings is a fairly small book. Like each A Song of Ice and Fire book gets to 2/3 of the entire Lord of the Rings word count.

JJDubz · Jan 3, 2020

Would rather not see any ASoIaF media than just having movies. I just can't see it working.

I guess you could focus on smaller conflicts in film.

Evo Shandor · Jan 3, 2020

At this point, you have to try and enjoy the books and let it go.

Torpedo Vegas · Jan 3, 2020

No, one of the biggest issue is that they had to rush to finish, that would be even worse because there would be even less screen time in a pair of films.

SpitztheGreat · Jan 3, 2020

The only way a reboot works is if the book's ending is SIGNIFICANTLY different from the show's. Otherwise I don't think they'll get much traction because everyone will already know the ending. In fact, even if the reboot were to follow the books word for word I don't think it would be as popular as the show: in part because with the books out everyone would already know the ending.

This means that, in order for a reboot to have a chance at being as popular as GoT, you would need to have a unique ending while also staying true to the source material. Part of what made GoT so popular was that no one knew how it was going to end. A reboot wouldn't have that luxury.

So no, I don't think they should ever touch it.

Kirblar · Jan 3, 2020

You would need to animate books 4->end.

SpitztheGreat said:
The only way a reboot works is if the book's ending is SIGNIFICANTLY different from the show's. Otherwise I don't think they'll get much traction because everyone will already know the ending. In fact, even if the reboot were to follow the books word for word I don't think it would be as popular as the show: in part because with the books out everyone would already know the ending.

This means that, in order for a reboot to have a chance at being as popular as GoT, you would need to have a unique ending while also staying true to the source material. Part of what made GoT so popular was that no one knew how it was going to end. A reboot wouldn't have that luxury.

So no, I don't think they should ever touch it.

It's going to be significantly different due to fAegon. Once you figure out where he probably goes in the narrative, S8 making no sense ..... makes complete sense because he's the linchpin for everything that happens at Kings Landing post Green Trial.

Dreamwriter · Jan 3, 2020

That would be worse than the series, since the whole flaw with the end of the series was them rushing through the story to fit it into their shorter scehdule (that HBO didn't want, that the actors didn't want, only the show runners). Imagine trying to fit the two books into only 4 hours! The show already had movie-level budgets, so I dunno what doing two new movies would do.

Youngfossil · Jan 3, 2020

An Anime remake ala FMA: Brotherhood will on suffice. Hell call it GoT Brotherhood

Canuckreefer · Jan 3, 2020

Reminder to put spoilers if you talk about the books
Its my first read through😅😅😅

SpitztheGreat · Jan 3, 2020

Kirblar said:
You would need to animate books 4->end.

It's going to be significantly different due to fAegon. Once you figure out where he probably goes in the narrative, S8 making no sense ..... makes complete sense because he's the linchpin for everything that happens at Kings Landing post Green Trial.

I understand your point, but if the actual end is Bran becomes King, Dany dies after going mad, etc, that's still too close to the show to warrant a reboot. The reboot would need to have its own unique ending that is both significantly different and yet true to the material. Good luck with that.

IMO, as you said I think the biggest difference in the ending of the books will be the journey there. I don't think the final outcome will be all that much different though.

Rogue Agent · Jan 3, 2020

Euron in the books seems like this evil scheming and threatening villain so I'm mostly looking forward to involvement in the final books.

If movies were made based on the last two GoT books that are coming out would this be enough to wash away that malarkey called season 8?

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