Umm how about parents be parents and not let children play it? It's rated Mature for a reason. Stop blaming video games for crap like this happening
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If Modern Warfare 2 Remastered happens this year, should "No Russian" be removed?
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Not that I think it should necessarily be removed (I'm personally uncomfortable with the scene, but they did already update it to have warnings and to let people skip it), but this really isn't a great mindset to take. Sometimes pieces of media have things that don't age and people are allowed to reevaluate them for future consumption. Things shouldn't be okay now because they were okay then.
No, Russian!
I actually think the level is kind of tasteless and the story told isn't good enough to really justify its inclusion, but I just wanted to make this dumb joke. Wellp, that's my story, thanks for reading.
Real people are not being shot. The nationality of the characters in the game is usually tied up in whatever the story of the game is or its setting. This is very straightforward to follow and expect if the game has a story and some sort of plot/narrative.
Unless you are shooting aliens like in Gears of War, games involving war/conflict between humans are going to depict humans, whatever nationality they are.
This is where I get frustrated. People willfully ignoring context and intent to make up opportunistic gotchas. Therefore trying to piggyback off of real world tragedies to "win" internet arguments with hot takes.
You're appealing to a strawman in order to imply anyone who may challenge you has a... negative view on French, Belgian or... here it is because of the current mass shooting, New Zealand civilians.
Quite frankly, that borders on being pretty disgusting if you ask me, and at best, completely intellectually vapid/dishonest.
With the responses in this thread, I wonder how many people actually played MW2, or if they did, paid attention to the story. "It doesn't mean anything", "It was done for marketing purposes", "It was only to shock" are all simply incorrect. It is an integral part of the storyline.
Censoring art would be removing the scene. I am talking about not letting players pull the trigger. Change it into a cutscene.
They can if they want, like they have that right, but it's no more tasteless now than it was then. It's still just as bad as it ever was, and a baffling thing to put in such a mainstream game.
Honestly it's such a big part of that game and its identity that I don't think they should remove it, but if they're uncomfortable with it in the game then they just shouldn't re-release it at all. There are a ton of games that could be re-released, they don't have to do the one with the airport shooting level.
Honestly it's such a big part of that game and its identity that I don't think they should remove it, but if they're uncomfortable with it in the game then they just shouldn't re-release it at all. There are a ton of games that could be re-released, they don't have to do the one with the airport shooting level.
It's simple.
It's part of a game called Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. It came out a decade ago and allowed anyone to skip it.
Now Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is getting a Remaster and it should feature the original mission because it was a part of a game called. Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.
It's as simple as that. It was in the original. It should be in the remaster.
Y'all are so reactionary. It's impressive.
We can't just go around removing things from old media because someone currently might get offended. You guys are so gun-ho when it comes to banning and removing stuff. It's ironic as hell.
We can't just go around removing things from old media because someone currently might get offended. You guys are so gun-ho when it comes to banning and removing stuff. It's ironic as hell.
Nothing else, just that part. And if you are so attached to the scene, you can easily pick up the original MW2 and play it there.
Absolutely not. I remember it being a powerful experience (personally) the first time i played it. I refused to fire a shot even then, but the perspective was chilling. Definitely enhanced the game. I'm def not a fan of cancelling things, and skipping this takes away some of the unique power of games. As others have suggested, if it personally offends: skip it. However, don't remove it or make it a forced cut scene.
The forced sniper assassination in GTA V annoyed me far more. The one that you MUST do.
The forced sniper assassination in GTA V annoyed me far more. The one that you MUST do.
You assume it's minuscule, but do the research before you post. 4 of the biggest mass shootings in US history happened in 2018. Check the stats.. the number is growing.
God forbid it ever hit close to home for you, but I'm sure if it did you would change your tune along with everyone else in this thread.
There have been rumors for a while now, but there is nothing concrete.
No. There's an option to skip it so for those who want to do so, they can and for those who choose not to skip it, they can play it.
Do you honestly believe anyone that decides to point their gun in the game at a woman or child and fire, at the same time is going to feel bad??
I don't know what you are even arguing anymore, but thanks for confirming you actually do believe games cause IRL violence, Glad we settled that.
I'm arguing that being an participant in a mass shooting, even if you do not actually pull the trigger, instead of just watching it in a cinematic has a bigger impact.
Honestly, do you purposefully try to misunderstand every post you react to?
So if you can just play it on the original then what's the point of taking it out? If it offends you maybe you just shouldn't play that game at all and just avoid it?
100%. Even though I have no attachment to it, it's part of the original work.
I think if they were going to remake it, it has to remain. The game, though it might not have made good on that intention, was about the lengths people will go to sustain a war through acts of terror. If anything, it should be fleshed out and better contextualised. It'd certainly be a lot different to what people would expect from the Call of Duty brand, though the single player campaigns since MW1 have always been critical about war and it's influence on culture.
This is such a funny post seeing as you completely misunderstood his point.
This I can agree on. If the story telling was better and they actually fleshed it out beyond some Tom Clancy ass writing the scene would work much better.
No, but the entire premise of the scene is extremely dumb. They find a dead American at the airport, the next logical step is to invade Europe and the US. Come on.
Which is ironic given this question. Some real world tragedy happens, the next logical step is that we ban and remove depictions of similar tragedy from the media? Come on.
Which is ironic given this question. Some real world tragedy happens, the next logical step is that we ban and remove depictions of similar tragedy from the media? Come on.
No, I'd be fine with an option for people to skip the scene if they want, but it should still be there.
But here's the thing, it's not a "similar tragedy" at all (one can obviously also point out, 49+ people have fucking died, let's not call a video game a "tragedy" in-line with that). The terrorist mass shooting in the news just now was a terrorist going and opening fire in a mosque with some fucked up manifesto. MW2, released in 2009 I might remind everyone, has absolutely nothing to do with that on a contextual level. Due to the release date, it's also not one of those situations where a game is set to release when a tragedy occurs and is possibly delayed or changed out of respect. See MGS2, or Motorstorm.
The leaps being made from this to a current real-world tragedy are opportunistic and honestly, as I said earlier, incredibly callous.
If everyone uses their brains, it's quite clear this level in the greater context of a whole game, MW2, can be looked at through the lens of the intent of the full package. Its story, its setting, what it is trying to achieve (which can be critiqued). Whereas, some dev trying to get "School Shooter Simulator" approved on Steam, might just be looked at slightly differently than every other piece of adult media, which may also contain scenes of violence, even against unarmed targets.
I honestly despair at some of what I'm reading in here, but maybe it's simply me thinking using this tragedy in the news to springboard into talking about No Russian is the height of intellectual dishonesty and bad taste internet brawling. No Russian was debated when it came out, just like every GTA release has some fucked up scene people ask has it gone too far (GTA5 with the torture scene). Okay, those conversations can happen, but springboarding into them off the flimsy backing of this mosque shooting is simply opportunistic trash.
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You argued it was a minuscule amount of people and its not. You don't do your research.. Glad we settled that.
I don't think it should be removed. Also it didn't really need to be playable in the first place. And should be made as a cutscene.
I played the original when it came out and it did a really good job of showing how horrible something like that was and how much of a piece of shit and warmongering genius the villain was. But it should stay in. Maybe not as a playable mission but a long cutscene that still shows the horror and evil that Makarov commits. While hammering home that it is something that happens in real life and isn't to be idolized.
I played the original when it came out and it did a really good job of showing how horrible something like that was and how much of a piece of shit and warmongering genius the villain was. But it should stay in. Maybe not as a playable mission but a long cutscene that still shows the horror and evil that Makarov commits. While hammering home that it is something that happens in real life and isn't to be idolized.
Oh yes, that thing: stupid edgelord nonsense with the most flimsy of narrative justifications, worthless on-rails gameplay and executed in incredibly poor taste.
Of course it should be part of the remaster. They own it.
Of course it should be part of the remaster. They own it.
