Not really shock Mick isn't blameless in all of this. I trust id software to know how important the music is to doom and be as accommodating as possible.
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Id Software addresses the controversy regarding DOOM Eternal's OST release
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Bad form to air out all this dirty laundry just to try and help one id employee save face for something that, whether fault of his or not, was ultimately a disappointing product to deliver to fans. Seems like both sides made mistakes, but putting all of this out there is just a bad look. Feel bad for whoever they bring in for the third game. Feels like it's bound to disappoint all told now. Good luck.
Just tossing on here pretty much what my thoughts I've said on twitter, but one person rearranging, programming, EQing/Mixing, and attempting to master a project that big is kinda unrealistic. He shoulda got some back up, it was a bigger endeavor than the first OST, he had less time... with the first game he already had the finished game out there while he could focus on the OST, not the case here.
I'm not sure why they didn't force him to dump source audio project files when they first agreed that Chad would help, just that little bit right there would've ended up with a better backup product.
I'm not sure why they didn't force him to dump source audio project files when they first agreed that Chad would help, just that little bit right there would've ended up with a better backup product.
This ain't it. Marty expressly stated this letter exists because their employees were being harassed because it was Mick Gordon who threw them under the bus. Did you forget how this whole thing started weeks ago?
I'm a coder/programmer, and I find insulting that you consider that my work is less important and can be easily rushed.
Did that "Maybe they had someone from marketing do it?" quotething come from Mick or just Internet being Internet?
I remember that started to float around soon after controversy started, but can't find receipts that Mick ever said anything like that about Chad.
I remember that started to float around soon after controversy started, but can't find receipts that Mick ever said anything like that about Chad.
I'd imagine he didn't want to face the huge backlash that was happening and honestly I can't blame him for that, assholes online are ruthless and he's one guy; I would say though he definitely could've done better than hang out those vague statements that he could see were being misinterpreted. Should've talked it over with Bethesda first before making a statement if he wasn't sure.
Either way, I hope he's doing well, music in the game from what I've sounds awesome. Shame about the soundtrack but it's not the end of the world.
Fucked up, Wolf2 New Colossus OST is underrated! Maybe there is still chance for Mick and Machine Games to make an exception?
IIRC that was said by him on a youtube post with someone doing a song cover, which they based on one of the games trailers;' he noted that the abrupt timing changes in the trailer music that the guy doing the cover included in his version were not his doing in the original track, but someone missing the timing while clipping the sound bits together. I believe he said it was probably a marketing intern who put the trailer together, not Chad.
The clip does sound off if you give it a listen.
No, they could have . they just didn't want to have to issue refunds. Which honestly is a crap excuse for releasing a sub par product. yes another delay on the OST would have caused some small uproar but I think it's preferable to what is happening now
Wow, what a turn of events. No one comes out here in a good light but the statement from id was much more thorough and therefore I'm more inclined to believe their version of the events.
Not having Micks music in future games is a major blow nonetheless.
Not having Micks music in future games is a major blow nonetheless.
I already apologized for the tone of the post. I didn't mean to be insulting. I made several posts after that one.
So in order to defend one employee he has to publicly trash a business partner? I'm sure that'll have talent lining up at the door to score the third! Maybe he instead should have supported the employee directly as opposed to playing the blame game.
It sucks but I look forward to what Mick does next and I look forward to what id Software does next. Killer Instinct season 3 sounded great. DKC games managed without someone like David Wise. Mick will be free to stretch his wings a bit more and the next Doom can use the new music to help build it's own identity.
I get where you're coming from. You seem like you're a really big fan of Mick and his music. I hope that they're able to work out their issues in the near future.
But this is business man. It's a very intense industry and sometimes things don't go according to plan and falling outs happen.
It sucks when this stuff happens because the fans are the ones who suffer. But at least you got 2 dope soundtracks out of it.
Season 3's tracks were nowhere near as good as 1 and 2's IMO..and that was with TWO composers collaborating on less characters.
A dang shame. Well I just hope whenever the next doom game comes the soundtrack is as good as its predecessors.
As I suspected; bad communication and not enough time. Sucks for both parties. Both Marty and Mick seem like decent people so I doubt the truth is that far off from what Marty outlined. I'm surprised at how candid it is, but I see this more as a defense of an employee rather than an attempt to cover their own asses.
I'm not surprised, however, to read that the lead audio engineer at id fucking software didn't brickwall limit the tracks. That people even accused him of doing that is beyond me. To get that job, and produce audio at AAA+ level quality that such a studio expects, requires a very talented and knowledgeable individual.
I'm not surprised, however, to read that the lead audio engineer at id fucking software didn't brickwall limit the tracks. That people even accused him of doing that is beyond me. To get that job, and produce audio at AAA+ level quality that such a studio expects, requires a very talented and knowledgeable individual.
Milk shouldn't have threw people under the bus via twitter dms like a third grader
Again, it's Mick Gordon who slung mud, they were forced to explain the situation due to the resulting targeted harassment. Mick Gordon does not get to say whatever he wants just because you like him, his words directly lead to id Software needing to explain the full situation, there is no buts about this.
Quoted for truth.
If this keeps out people who think they can throw others under the bus to mask the fact they are inefficient then good.
Disappointing to be sure, but there's room for other composers to come in. I just hope that whoever steps in doesn't try to simply emulate what Mick was doing, much the same that he moved in a different direction than what had come before.
So much drama. If only people just learned how to communicate clearly, this situation could have been avoided.
I loved DOOM 2016's and Eternal's soundtrack.
With that said. this sounds amazing and I actually prefer it.
I really hope that if they do utilize Hulshult that he sticks with his own style.
Agreed . And not meeting deadlines is unfortunate,but I can get behind IDs decision
One can hope for a full remixed soundtrack in the future.
I still land majority blame on iD/Bethesda. Including the full OST with release after Doom2016 was a bone-headed decision.
I still land majority blame on iD/Bethesda. Including the full OST with release after Doom2016 was a bone-headed decision.
My first thought was, "Maybe they can get the guy that did the amazing XBox One Killer Instinct soundtrack." My next thought was :(
Celldweller and Atlas Plug did a pretty good job with KI Season 3. But people get so attached to one artist that no matter who replaces them it's always bad to them.
I didn't even know who he was until I came into this thread. Now I'm trying to find more stuff.
I didn't even know who he was until I came into this thread. Now I'm trying to find more stuff.
Sounds as if the blame rests primarily with Mick, but I suppose only those personally involved will ever really know for sure.
In any case, we got two outstanding soundtracks out of Mick, and if that's all we ever get I'll still count it as a win.
Doom lived and thrived before Mick, and I'm sure it can after if the quality remains high in other areas.
In any case, we got two outstanding soundtracks out of Mick, and if that's all we ever get I'll still count it as a win.
Doom lived and thrived before Mick, and I'm sure it can after if the quality remains high in other areas.
It does seem like Bethesda put Mick in a lose/lose situation, so I can understand him being frustrated and am willing to give him a little bit of latitude for some of the choices he made. But slinging mud on Twitter like a crybaby, especially towards people who probably don't deserve it... c'mon, dude.
In any case, I'm sure Bethesda'll find someone who can do a decent enough job on the next Doom OST (Reznor would be great), and I doubt Mick'll have a hard time finding new work either.
In any case, I'm sure Bethesda'll find someone who can do a decent enough job on the next Doom OST (Reznor would be great), and I doubt Mick'll have a hard time finding new work either.
This is all very sad and everyone, Id, Mick and us and most importantly me, loses in this situation. A case of unfortunate time constraints and legal considerations combined with a big workload and bad communication.
As a small time composer myself I can and do sympathise with Mick on some aspects but he was 100% in the wrong for making the vague comments on twitter that threw Id under the bus and then not coming in to dispel the situation when the community started hating on Chad under false assumptions. I get the feeling that both the people at Id and Mick himself are nice people in general and this is all a very unfortunate situation where Mick has more to apologize for.
I'm super bummed out that this whole on going feelgood resurgence of Doom and it's killer soundtracks had to end like this. God dammit Mick why you had to start mouthing off when you and we had a good thing going on?
I don't envy the person who has to follow in his footsteps. In a vacuum KI season 3 OST is decent but felt a bit watered down after having been acclimated to Mick's bone crunching sound. There are many talented composers out there but so far I haven't heard anyone who can quite do what Mick does, so I hope whoever comes next won't even attempt to. I hope they go for something different. Something that the new person can absolutely nail and claim as their own that no one else in turn could really imitate.
As a small time composer myself I can and do sympathise with Mick on some aspects but he was 100% in the wrong for making the vague comments on twitter that threw Id under the bus and then not coming in to dispel the situation when the community started hating on Chad under false assumptions. I get the feeling that both the people at Id and Mick himself are nice people in general and this is all a very unfortunate situation where Mick has more to apologize for.
I'm super bummed out that this whole on going feelgood resurgence of Doom and it's killer soundtracks had to end like this. God dammit Mick why you had to start mouthing off when you and we had a good thing going on?
I don't envy the person who has to follow in his footsteps. In a vacuum KI season 3 OST is decent but felt a bit watered down after having been acclimated to Mick's bone crunching sound. There are many talented composers out there but so far I haven't heard anyone who can quite do what Mick does, so I hope whoever comes next won't even attempt to. I hope they go for something different. Something that the new person can absolutely nail and claim as their own that no one else in turn could really imitate.
Just get Devin Townsend in and have him channel his SYL days.
Or if you want a riff machine, get Tommy Victor of Prong. He's a dab had at Industrial too as he played on Ministry albums.
Or if you want a riff machine, get Tommy Victor of Prong. He's a dab had at Industrial too as he played on Ministry albums.
Well thanks to Marty for coming out with the story, kinda sucks for everyone involved.
I love Mick's music and I'm sad to see him go, but I'll be happy to pick up the soundtrack when it's available for everyone.
I look forward to seeing who they think can fill his shoes.
I love Mick's music and I'm sad to see him go, but I'll be happy to pick up the soundtrack when it's available for everyone.
I look forward to seeing who they think can fill his shoes.
