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I think the Founding Fathers might've overreacted
- Thread starter zeuanimals
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instead of imagining colonists dressed as native americans dumping tea into the harbor
why not PLAY as a part-native american in a recreated simulation as you dump tea into the harbor?
the villain of this game was charles lee, lol
why not PLAY as a part-native american in a recreated simulation as you dump tea into the harbor?
the villain of this game was charles lee, lol
Heed not the rabble who scream revolution. They have not your interests at heart
Chaos and bloodshed are not a solution
Don't let them lead you astray. This Congress does not speak for me
They're playing a dangerous game. I pray the king shows you his mercy.
For shame, for shame
Chaos and bloodshed are not a solution
Don't let them lead you astray. This Congress does not speak for me
They're playing a dangerous game. I pray the king shows you his mercy.
For shame, for shame
Interesting thing to consider for this alt-history is how much the continuation of the North American colonies as colonies would have also meant the stunting of the industrialization of North America (which England was already still attempting to do even after the war was over, but they obviously had more of an ability to control it), which, in turn, might mean no cotton gin (and thus in turn stunts the resurgence in slavery that happened). Could introduce all sorts of tilts into the discussion.
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Man, I just love learning more about this great country. Thank you.
Yeah, that last part. They really weren't all that major, nor punitive. The crown was trying to pay its war debts for a war the colonists dragged the larger empire into which is reasonable. It's pretty much never taught though.
The really funny thing is there are 4 million Americans right now with no federal representation in Congress vs the estimated 2.5 million that lived in the colonies in 1776.
There were no good guys in that war, but as an American I had the same thoughts as the op the last time I read about it.
My US history classes from 1st grade to 12th grade were more concerned with knowing the dates of events. Recently had to take US history again in college and that was the only time I had to know the cause of events.
My US history classes from 1st grade to 12th grade were more concerned with knowing the dates of events. Recently had to take US history again in college and that was the only time I had to know the cause of events.
I will say in the colonists defense, however, that not all of the founding fathers were gibbering morons about things. Ben Franklin actually had a pretty measured response in that he and other early patriots did actually understand why the taxes were happening and that they actually did have some responsibility for those taxes (part of the reason the British community came down as hard as they did was because the colonists were actually paying *less* taxes than the mainland citizens, which makes the complaints about unfair treatment pretty delightful). The issue really was the whole representation thing, and the suggestion was floated that the colonies get representatives in Parliament (versus there being token representation by people who owned land in the colonies and occasionally spent time there, but didn't actually, like, represent the people). There was even support for it by Wade Boggs approved prime minister William Pitt the Elder. Shitbags in parliament shot it down, though, and that did make things worse.
History is complicated.
History is complicated.
My understanding is that there was a tea black market that relied on smugglers and they just used the tax thing as an excuse to get rid of the legal competition.
I think it is important to note that that the early colonists were people who wanted to get out of GB and that didn't end with the first colonist. The desire to get away from GB continued for hundreds of years. This was instilled in the culture of the Colonies because of people from GB moving across a fucking ocean to get away from GB. You really think that a collection of colonies formed by people that wanted to escape GB would perpetually want to be part of their colonies? This would have been inevitable and if /s/ GB would have just recognized this inevitability, they would have set the colonies free for the asking /s/.
Anyway, to address the thread creator, fucking well done
Anyway, to address the thread creator, fucking well done
Well the thing is a peaceful independence was most likely not going to happen ever.
The Divine Right of Kings was still a thing, admittedly weaker in England due to Parliament but was still a thing.
Love or hate the American Revolutionaries (most of the colonial citizens did) they were challenging a concept that had never been challenged successfully before.
There were scholars and the like who were already against the concept, even some within Catholic hierarchy, but it was a mostly accepted concept that Kings were kings and could not be over thrown except by other royalty.
No matter it's reasons for starting, there is a real possibility that if the American Revolution never happened, the fall of the European monarchies wouldn't have happened either.
I do find it a bit funny that King Louis of France basically ensured his own overthrow by helping the American Revolution, which is also funny because part of the reasons for the American Revolution was the French-Indian War.
I'm only a student of history not an expert, so I try to coach my words that way. It could indeed be a fact, I am pretty sure the French Revolution wouldn't have happened without out the American Revolution but when it comes to history I dislike to speak in absolutes because I don't have the education required
To quote racist white folks when they speak on refugees, why didn't your forefathers "stay in their country and make it better instead of running away"
Has this parody looped back on itself? Double irony? Irony squared? Are we getting into Alanis Morisette levels of irony?
I'm just asking questions.
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If I kill a Wyomingite in California, does that count as a triple homicide? Or does that only apply on election day?
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Just pointing out the fact small grievances were good enough reason to literally go to war and burn their flag but black people can't even kneel during the anthem. The double think is country wide. Or world wide?
I thought this was going to be about leaving the house of commons/house of lords behind
I probably would have been a loyalist tbh
I probably would have been a loyalist tbh
Classic "history is written by the victors"
The winners revolted for the "right" reasons
Yeah, did they really have to use a decapitated snake to promote themselves? How brutish.