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BORIS: JAWS MAYOR MY HERO
EXCLUSIVE: BONKERS Boris Johnson has admitted his political hero is the cynical mayor from movie Jaws.
www.mirror.co.uk
Isn't that more the Premier league/sports organisations though? Following the links it's not exactly that the government banned football, they are being criticised for letting sporting events continue, it's the corresponding leagues reacting to the situation independently.Soccer Matches banned. Rugby matches continuing.
I see the government has accurately identified Coronavirus as a dirty working class business rather than a pink cheeked nice middle class family virus.
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Hey what a coincidence that's probably a later step in their plan too.
Better fight the enemy you know, instead of creating a new one. Infection so many people, increases the chance for the virus to mutate. Then it may become worse or different enough to infect the already infected again. Rinse and repeat until everybody is death.
Also who is supporting all the ill people? Supply handlers, medical staff and state employees aren't immune to viruses ... or overworking.
Also who is supporting all the ill people? Supply handlers, medical staff and state employees aren't immune to viruses ... or overworking.
'Please just get the virus, roll the dice and just shut up about it; also go fuck yourself. Thank you.' - Your Tory Government
It took a Premier League manager getting the virus for them to actually put a halt on our football pyramid too, despite others being ahead of the curve.
Cheltenham Festival is going on *right now* and 60,000 people are cramped into a racecourse for 3 days.
We literally don't give a fuck.
Cheltenham Festival is going on *right now* and 60,000 people are cramped into a racecourse for 3 days.
We literally don't give a fuck.
But (hopefully) in a reasonably managed way, with free healthcare. As I understand it in the US you have to pay just to get tested, if you can even find a test. That's not a recipe for a managed spread...
BORIS: JAWS MAYOR MY HERO
EXCLUSIVE: BONKERS Boris Johnson has admitted his political hero is the cynical mayor from movie Jaws.
LoL. Yep, that sounds about right.
You're only getting tested if your in hospital, they've stopped recommending you contact the hotline etc if you think you have symptoms.
To be fair on this front, talking with biologists over lunch ( one advantage of being a scientist), I'm told this is extremely unlikely to happen on anything like a short timescale. More likely a 5+ years timescale for that, I'm told.
I had to watch a five minute interview on Sky News to realise that the apparent strategy in the UK was for the sick and elderly to self isolate. That's the apparent plan. The only precaution the people are being told to carry out. It wasn't very clear from any of the messaging I've heard that this is the key part of the plan.
Working in retail serving mostly men over 50 the message clearlyhas not gotten out or being heeded in the slightest. It's a farce.
Working in retail serving mostly men over 50 the message clearlyhas not gotten out or being heeded in the slightest. It's a farce.
I was kidding about the blame and class but the inconsistency is real enough.
BORIS: JAWS MAYOR MY HERO
EXCLUSIVE: BONKERS Boris Johnson has admitted his political hero is the cynical mayor from movie Jaws.
And here we all are.
Putting babies/young children, the sick and the elderly in high-ish risk of dying and stressing an already overly stressed public healthcare system to its max or beyond does not sound good even on paper.
Chicken pox parties are a side effect of Americans doing pseudoscientific shit and acting like it makes total logical sense. Get your kids vaccinated for chickenpox, jesus.
TBH I think it will be better for the economy. I'm from Spain and I think what we are doing here is such a big mistake. Some people are going to work and some are not, how is that going to stop anything? People are going to continue getting infected for months before this is over, the economy is going to be fucked so badly by then that it's going to be a huge disaster.
I really, really hope I'm wrong though. For the first time today I was actually scared about losing my job since we lost 2 projects overnight.
I really, really hope I'm wrong though. For the first time today I was actually scared about losing my job since we lost 2 projects overnight.
we cannot contain it fully. Even if we all go into a bunker, when we come out someone will spark off a new infection and it'll blow through the population
mid you accept therefore that the population will be exposed to the virus anyway, what is the best way to do that? The argument is to slow the spread so that the limited resources can focus on those most in need and give them the attention they need. If everyone gets it at the same time that won't be possible and many more will die
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I know what he is on about, I just don't understand his reasoning. Allowing more of the public to become infected won't limit NHS to later on down the line
Are them politicians willing to get infected to build up their immune systems? Or they're gonna let the lesser folk do the job for them?
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So their strategy is some social darwinism. Let the weak die, so that the society might get stronger.
In the end this horrible plan is in line with their politics.
In the end this horrible plan is in line with their politics.
Not UK but I'm in a position where I'll have to either choose my job or my home. Boss thinks it's a hoax (thanks Trump) and will not be closing business and our job is not possible to do from home, and my sis in law is threatening to lock me out if I continue to go to work. Even though I pay a good amount of rent. This can't end soon enough.
This thread is a little embarrassing.
I'm not convinced what the UK is doing is for the best, but there is scientific justification for it. There's not a whole lot of science in the responses here.
I'm not convinced what the UK is doing is for the best, but there is scientific justification for it. There's not a whole lot of science in the responses here.
If there was a consensus that this was the best thing to do I'd be less worried, but there very much isn't. The problem is that science isn't black and white and no one can know for sure that this is the best approach. You can often find papers definitively stating completely opposite viewpoints in the scientific literature. (A lot of the bullshit on Dominic Cummings blog is finding one paper that sort of supports his existing ideas and assuming that because it is science it is 100% infallible and the indisputable truth).
Ask five different scientists or models about what the best thing to do right now in the UK is, and you will get five different answers. We seem to have picked one that is at odds with the WHO advice, what has worked in China and South Korea, what everyone else in Europe is doing, and is seemingly based on many assumptions about a disease we don't understand.
There are several dissenting views here:
www.theguardian.com
(sorry not sure how to link those live updates properly..)
Ask five different scientists or models about what the best thing to do right now in the UK is, and you will get five different answers. We seem to have picked one that is at odds with the WHO advice, what has worked in China and South Korea, what everyone else in Europe is doing, and is seemingly based on many assumptions about a disease we don't understand.
There are several dissenting views here:
UK may be included in US travel ban as WHO calls Europe 'centre of pandemic' – as it happened
Mount Everest calls off climbing season; Canadian prime minister self-isolates; London Underground driver tests positive. This blog is now closed
www.theguardian.com
(sorry not sure how to link those live updates properly..)
Isnt this exactly the opposite of "speed run"? They're trying to make it progress, as they expect it to anyway, but slowly.
Uh, yes, if you are capable of completely ignoring the utterly abhorrent ethics behind it when there's another better way sitting right there, i.e. a more controlled spread of the disease which maximises the ability of doctors and nurses to save lives, you could call it embarrassing, I guess.
It's a global pandemic that's absolutely unprecedented in generations. People are panicking.
Like I said earlier in the thread and that others have also mentioned, on paper I think you can see what they're doing. But you can't blame people for asking questions when it's the polar opposite approach of what literally everybody else within our geographical proximity is doing, and the polar opposite approach to what seems to have shown signs of working in China and Italy. There's also a concern that our NHS - which was underfunded, under resourced and stretched before this even started - is up to the task they've set.
Unless you think people are purposefully spreading misinformation, then I don't think it's right to get pissy at peoples alarm or questioning of what currently stands as an outlier approach to the global response.
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And also if you trust the Tories lead by Boris Johnson. I'd trust the NHS to handle it except they've had a decade of being deliberately sabotaged and are currently taking orders from, well, the Tories lead by Boris Johnson.
At some point my brain broke and it's laugh about how incompetent and evil and awful everything seems to be, or punch a wall or something.
As far as I know the scientific justification has been quite hand wavy. Several public health academics are saying they'd like to see what the government is actually basing all of this on.
One thing that sticks out to me, is that an ex WHO director has pointed out that we don't even know if herd immunity will be applicable with coronavirus. So this all seems like a massive gamble. Unless the government has evidence to the contrary, but no one seems to have seen it if it exists..
I was just watching my blu-ray this morning holed up at home.. The parallel to today was obviously on my mind with closing the beach but wow at that quote. Lmao.
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If you see Boris when you're out and about, shine a torch at him. Or give him a nice cough, just in case.
I'm sure it's the finest of reports and dossiers that will definitely be released at some point.
I think they've not figured that by not doing anything you bring the peak FORWARD instead of pushing it back.
They're morons. I've thankfully got the goahead from Work to stop myself going into London for a while and if it gets worse we'll be asked to work from home.
They're morons. I've thankfully got the goahead from Work to stop myself going into London for a while and if it gets worse we'll be asked to work from home.
I'm currently watching Castlevania speedruns in the background. lol
This cracked me up more that it should have
#WinterPlaguesDoneQuick
If they were effectively practicing herd immunity then you would concentrate on isolating and supporting the most vulnerable of your population. It's easier and economically more sound to isolate and quarantine 25% of your population rather than 100% especially when a bulk of that vulnerable group may not contribute directly to the workforce.
Basically the community at large operates as normal, extended quarantine for vulnerable populations. 30 Days later you hope enough of the population has gotten immunity where it cannot spread effectively to at risk groups.