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Strategy, explanation, criticism and response by UK science advisor
Just to aid discussion, the UK strategy, criticism and defence of it explained here:
www.google.co.uk
Coronavirus: science chief defends UK plan from criticism
Patrick Vallance says aim is to broaden peak of epidemic as Jeremy Hunt raises concerns
www.google.co.uk
Well in the States we have chicken pox parties so the underlying idea sort of makes sense. The problem here is that we do it knowing kids won't die from chicken pox but would be at risk if they got it much later in life.
Since covid 19 is brand new this is just an engaging in an orgy of death.
Since covid 19 is brand new this is just an engaging in an orgy of death.
infect everyone
hand out 10kg bags of rice
quarantine for a month
and if you don't show back for work
we will send someone to get you
hand out 10kg bags of rice
quarantine for a month
and if you don't show back for work
we will send someone to get you
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"There is no such thing as society." -- Ghazghull Mag Uruk Thraka, ruler of the Lon Don wastes, 2021.
I'm sure it won't be that bad but Jesus Christ is boris doing his best to fuck it. He's going the ryanair route with his reputation, too, where it's successful despite being an inhuman piece of shit because people expect him to be one and just laugh it off as oh, that bojo, what a legend. "Your friends and family may die" and people just shrug because at least he's telling it like it is.
I'm sure it won't be that bad but Jesus Christ is boris doing his best to fuck it. He's going the ryanair route with his reputation, too, where it's successful despite being an inhuman piece of shit because people expect him to be one and just laugh it off as oh, that bojo, what a legend. "Your friends and family may die" and people just shrug because at least he's telling it like it is.
Thank you England for your valuable contribution to this ongoing global study.
No one else was willing to take this approach and now thanks to you scientists will have an important new data point.
No one else was willing to take this approach and now thanks to you scientists will have an important new data point.
I was just thinking about what the tabloids would print if a Labour leader had said that
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It would literally be described as Corbyn's Holocaust.
Its ok, the chief scientific adviser says the majority need to get the virus for a "herd immunity"
I have every faith that the British government is doing the best they can for us, even if it means we have to sacrifice the most vulnerable of our society.
I have every faith that the British government is doing the best they can for us, even if it means we have to sacrifice the most vulnerable of our society.
I mean, you'll get herd immunity.
...But you'd also eventually get herd immunity with a more gradual spread of the virus. And it's a lot easier to protect and treat the people most vulnerable to the virus when everyone isn't infected at once.
Exactly people love him, they will love him even more for this. He's like Churchill to them, the old stiff upper lip bullshit, hes shitting on their heads and literally saying on TV "let them die", but that's Boris they love that from him.
I mean he is not lying you'll get your herd immunity. It's just that the some of the weakest in the herd will not make it to the immunity.
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A bit of "good geneics", you could say. Makes the herd better! Very normal and good response from the government.
I feel we are almost experiment for the world to see if this works better, if it pays off fantastic, otherwise we are gonna have alot of dead and alot of angry people.
That's... not...how...it...works.... and immunity is not guaranteed once you have gotten sick.
Their health services will collapse under the weight. This will be a disaster.
Their health services will collapse under the weight. This will be a disaster.
That's probably part of the point. Once it collapses they can sell off more of the remains.
I've tried my best to understand the chief scientific officer's reasoning that delaying more stringent measures will delay peak but I just can't fathom what the fuck he is on about.
Boris has been behind on this from the very start. He didn't cut his holiday short to deal with it. The cobra council was convened a couple of weeks after the seriousness of the spread of the disease was common knowledge and is now having to throw around statement like there could be 10,000 people who have the virus in the UK, in the faint hope it shakes people in this country how serious this virus is. The messaging has been poor and even after yesterday there is still little guidance for sectors such as schools as to what to do, especially for kids with exams coming up.
As a side note there is no way in hell the Brexit deal will be finalised by the end of the year now, so God knows what's going to happen there. Hopefully it doesn't mean we're closer to no deal.
I'm so embarrassed of this country
Boris has been behind on this from the very start. He didn't cut his holiday short to deal with it. The cobra council was convened a couple of weeks after the seriousness of the spread of the disease was common knowledge and is now having to throw around statement like there could be 10,000 people who have the virus in the UK, in the faint hope it shakes people in this country how serious this virus is. The messaging has been poor and even after yesterday there is still little guidance for sectors such as schools as to what to do, especially for kids with exams coming up.
As a side note there is no way in hell the Brexit deal will be finalised by the end of the year now, so God knows what's going to happen there. Hopefully it doesn't mean we're closer to no deal.
I'm so embarrassed of this country
If I'm being overly negative, Cummings likes to break things and the Tories want to have the excuse of making hard choices as they reform the NHS when people cry foul it doesn't work. Good a time as any with this and people will be angry but cheer any changes on. Starve the beast and then some.
I think the Tories basically don't want to help, money is needed for themselves, Brexit will break all their promises anyway so you are sucker to believe anything they say. The MO is still smash and grab.
I think the Tories basically don't want to help, money is needed for themselves, Brexit will break all their promises anyway so you are sucker to believe anything they say. The MO is still smash and grab.
To be clear the UK system was already failing to provide enough beds prior to COVID19
Hospital beds at record low in England as NHS struggles with demand
More than 17,000 beds have been cut from the 144,455 that existed in 2010
www.theguardian.com
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Brexit will not be delayed by coronavirus, says Johnson
Spokesman says there are no plans to extend transition period beyond end of December
www.theguardian.com
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It probably won't be as bad as you'd expect. I'm not saying we won't get our hair mussed.
My upper lip is positively ERECT. Why are all your upper lips so FLACID !
Sounds like you people are severely lacking in B L I T Z S P I R I T ! Some of you don't even appear to have any D U N K I R K S P I R I T !
Just remember - wash your hands to the tune of Rule Britannia and everything will be fine
Sounds like you people are severely lacking in B L I T Z S P I R I T ! Some of you don't even appear to have any D U N K I R K S P I R I T !
Just remember - wash your hands to the tune of Rule Britannia and everything will be fine
Boris is more like the average gamer they watch a speed run try it themselves and fail in first 10 mins because you couldn't get a glitch to work but rolls with it
Really? Because what I get from this thread, everywhere else, and just reality is that:
The NHS won't be able to cope with this and will be completely overrun.
As hundreds of thousands die the country will go even further into hysteria
My own family might die a painful, horrible death
Nobody knows whether we get immunity and the virus may even mutate
We are fucked
Fucking fucked
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Just lie back and think of England. No, on the corridor floor, there aren't any beds right now.
No deal it is then.Brexit will not be delayed by coronavirus, says Johnson
Spokesman says there are no plans to extend transition period beyond end of December
This isn't "Boris' Plan". It's been worked on for the last decade, he just happens to be in charge when it's implemented. I hate Boris and Cummings as much as anyone, but I don't like this disingenuous rush to go "Boooooo evil Boris, he's too lazy/greedy/rich to do anything about this", when that's not the situation at all. Yes, people are going to die and that sucks, but that was going happen no matter what. I honestly think that come the autumn, when all the countries that rushed into lockdown are getting hit with a second wave coming out the virus infested pit that the US is going to become, we'll feel pretty good about the approach we took.
Okay, I'm not a biologist so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't allowing a wide base of infected patients also run the risk of helping to create more diverse virus mutations, which could then undermine this herd immunity?
When there's no vaccine available and given the virus's potential to kill patients with respiratory conditions, I'm sceptical of this approach.
When there's no vaccine available and given the virus's potential to kill patients with respiratory conditions, I'm sceptical of this approach.
look at this rugged British hero encapsulating the dignity and grandeur of empire and the advances of the Enlightenment.
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Wasn't that whole thing staged as a distraction from some random scandal he was having, anyway?
Next year is speed run Brexit - so Covid-19 has to be done this year, otherwise we get too big a backlog.
Brexit will not be delayed by coronavirus, says Johnson
Spokesman says there are no plans to extend transition period beyond end of December
UK never wanted a deal anyway.
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They're gonna do both simultaneously with the same inputs.
Just to aid discussion, the UK strategy, criticism and defence of it explained here:
Coronavirus: science chief defends UK plan from criticism
Patrick Vallance says aim is to broaden peak of epidemic as Jeremy Hunt raises concerns
Soccer Matches banned. Rugby matches continuing.
I see the government has accurately identified Coronavirus as a dirty working class business rather than a pink cheeked nice middle class family virus.
The plan is literally to turn the UK into a virus infested pit.