I just hope they fix the pacing and the structure, I've walked in the field about 12 times during the whole process and there was just too much battling without stopping involved.
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I really hope Pokemon sticks with stadiums for gym battles/Pokemon League going forward
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I think they just need to keep the audience part, not necessarily the stadiums.
If it's stadiums again though I could do without the silly uniform. Or at least let me customize the uniform.
If it's stadiums again though I could do without the silly uniform. Or at least let me customize the uniform.
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The first three gyms are stupidly easy. 5, 6, and 7 gave me some genuine trouble (as well as the Champion Battle), so they do ramp up a little bit.
They just removed the global trading system. The staple of the trading scene since 2006. They also cut half the pokemon. Nothing is sacred.
I think for me being South Asian and Leon being South Asian, I want things to be perfect and he came super close but fell short
I wanted Leon to have his own theme song that fit someone who destroyed every challenger and I got another remix of the main theme and the chanting to me sounded similar quality to the vocal samples in Launch Base Zone in Sonic 3 (weird pull, I know)
His team was also almost perfect. He had some real heavy hitters but only having 5 pokemon and his ace being Charizard and not a galarian mon like Dragapult (which he has) just leaves a bad taste in my mouth
I think Leon would benefit most from voice acting in this game since he's such an over the top dude
The gen 5 themes were more aesthetical and thematic to fit the leaders, I'm talking about proper usage. Like you just know Hearthome in the Sinnoh remakes will have the stadium share a space with the contest hall to allow for Dynamax/Gigantamax in the super contests. Maybe not in each game or for every feature, but they should have the stadiums go the extra mile. Like after becoming champion it turns out there is a master league for the champion to truly train himself to be the best with a new master challenge that has frontier style rulesets and challnges.
Agreed. The stadium + Dynamax is fucking awesome. My favorite gym battles in the series' history by far.
It's kind of meh after the first one, and requires both a bunch of lore setup but also doesn't work considering its own lore.
Almost everyone drops out at the third gym? How did the local boards in the other five cities agree to that (let the first three have all the money)? What are the spectators doing? Do they just hang out in the stands? "I paid $300 to take my family to see this gym battle but the kid couldn't figure out this pipe puzzle and went home, so..."
They fit within the ultra capitalist Galar thematically but they wouldn't elsewhere. Also means your gyms have to be in big cities, not small towns or whatever.
Almost everyone drops out at the third gym? How did the local boards in the other five cities agree to that (let the first three have all the money)? What are the spectators doing? Do they just hang out in the stands? "I paid $300 to take my family to see this gym battle but the kid couldn't figure out this pipe puzzle and went home, so..."
They fit within the ultra capitalist Galar thematically but they wouldn't elsewhere. Also means your gyms have to be in big cities, not small towns or whatever.
I truly, TRULY want to believe that they won't abandon it, but I have been burned too many times. I don't have it in me to have hope anymore.
I had trouble with 3rd gym (went grook)
4th and 5th too. then the champion won at me once... something that last time happened maybe vs Cynthia
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It's such an amazing deviation and subversion, coupled with it being thematically so appropriate for being the first Dark Type gym in the series, plus Piers is an amazing leader, and the gym battle being a street concert, AND the music, AND the setting, AND the revelations that accompanied it, all combined to make it my favorite, yeah.
Can't say I agree. All the other gym battles had some interesting gimmicks while this one was just some straight battles. The street concert thing could have been interesting in concept, but it was very poor in execution.
That part stuck out to me as a moment where I really thought "... man, this game needs some kind of voice acting".
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In general, i absolutely do agree the games now need VA (especially since they are for kids, having reading is such a barrier to entry).
Right, I agree, I just named the gens as good introductions of the idea, that's all.
Hahaha... yeah...
I truly, TRULY want to believe that they won't abandon it, but I have been burned too many times. I don't have it in me to have hope anymore.
Yeah, while the games are definitely still on the easier side, i did find them harder than base XY and base SuMo.
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Haha, that's fine. I was just explaining why I loved it :)
On the whole though, we can agree at least that they need to iterate on this approach to gyms in future games.
Yeah, I'm still shocked they're not going w/ VA.
Best gym music in the series free. Bringing back the dynamic theme from b/w for the last pokemon was also god tier.
Along with the wild encounter design, the gym battles were probably my favorite changes SwSh did.
I just wish the battles were harder. Even Leon, who had a pretty good team, was worse than he should be thanks to bad trainer AI. The fight was still hype, but it could have been much better.
I just wish the battles were harder. Even Leon, who had a pretty good team, was worse than he should be thanks to bad trainer AI. The fight was still hype, but it could have been much better.
Ah, yeah I figured it could be the case so I specified how far I had gotten in the game. I don't think they necessarily have to take place in a stadium setting, but GF could take that template and improve upon it next gen, hopefully they will.
This x1000000, they could've been the GOAT gym leader if they had that
maybe gamefreak will bring back challenge mode.. one day... without the stupidly annoying hoops to jump through
Yeah the stadiums and wild encounter mechanics are my two favorite things from the game. But there's no guarantee they'll return, or Gamefreak will try and make the next game "unique" and tweak them into something worse, like they've done on the past (ie. Gen 4 contests, Festival Plaza)
I thought the stadiums were really great! But I also wouldn't mind if they keep changing it up, I think it'd be cool for each region to have its own version of a gym.
In my mind I kind of imagined gyms could be like dojos. Or maybe battle pagodas. Like you fight someone at each floor and then the master at the top. I don't know, I think there's a lot of room for different ideas! They could be castles, or dungeons, or labyrinths. In Alola, the "gyms" were integrated into the natural environment which was cool.
In my mind I kind of imagined gyms could be like dojos. Or maybe battle pagodas. Like you fight someone at each floor and then the master at the top. I don't know, I think there's a lot of room for different ideas! They could be castles, or dungeons, or labyrinths. In Alola, the "gyms" were integrated into the natural environment which was cool.
You know what they really need to fix next game?
I'm fighting the Champion, I played 23 hours at that point beating 8 gyms, a boss fight and 7 trainers in the Tournament. I don't need to get praise when I use supereffective moves, that's just the ABC of playing Pokémon.
I'm fighting the Champion, I played 23 hours at that point beating 8 gyms, a boss fight and 7 trainers in the Tournament. I don't need to get praise when I use supereffective moves, that's just the ABC of playing Pokémon.
You know what they really need to fix next game?
I'm fighting the Champion, I played 23 hours at that point beating 8 gyms, a boss fight and 7 trainers in the Tournament. I don't need to get praise when I use supereffective moves, that's just the ABC of playing Pokémon.
I assume it runs in the family, since only he and his brother do this.
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I think that's just character dialog (Hop does it too). He's your mentor, so he's just praising your moves (he also does this if you land a Crit, as an example).You know what they really need to fix next game?
I'm fighting the Champion, I played 23 hours at that point beating 8 gyms, a boss fight and 7 trainers in the Tournament. I don't need to get praise when I use supereffective moves, that's just the ABC of playing Pokémon.
all the towns in the 2D era were small. it's one of the limitations they had to combat
I think they'll go for a shake-up again in gen 9, something like Alola (this seems to be a pattern with generations lately- something traditional, something weird, something traditional, repeat)
But the grandeur of the gym challenge isn't something that should be left behind. There are pretty easy ways to replicate it while not strictly sticking to the league formula. Imagine a region based on Italy (or more specifically, Rome) where "gym challenges" are replaced with coliseum's and there's a whole gladiator theming to the league.
But the grandeur of the gym challenge isn't something that should be left behind. There are pretty easy ways to replicate it while not strictly sticking to the league formula. Imagine a region based on Italy (or more specifically, Rome) where "gym challenges" are replaced with coliseum's and there's a whole gladiator theming to the league.
Agreed that the stadiums added a super exciting atmosphere. It felt like more than just a gym battle. Looking forward I'd love to see them again if it makes sense for the game, but I'm glad they finally captured the excitement you'd usually see in show/movies.
Also this gem from twitter rings pretty true lol
Gym battles in SWSH: Epic sporting events with a huge audience
Gym battles in every other pokemon game: 10 yo beats the shit out of a grown man in the back room of a planet fitness with no witnesses
Also this gem from twitter rings pretty true lol
Gym battles in SWSH: Epic sporting events with a huge audience
Gym battles in every other pokemon game: 10 yo beats the shit out of a grown man in the back room of a planet fitness with no witnesses
Snowpoint is meant to be small though. It's way up north in nowheresville. So it would be kinda weird if it had a full stadium like the Veilstone Gym or something like that.
would be a good time to recontexualize towns to give them a sense of purpose then. especially if they're important enough to have a gym
Would be cool if they made it like a big ski resort. Maybe include some snowboarding minigame or something lol. Also a ski lift that lets you go between the town and snow route (but of course on your first trip it's broken so you have to take the long way).
I mean it kind of fits in with the Gym Leaders attitude of not caring enough...the aesthetic was nice though, and it was a nice change of pace.
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Thanks for the unlock :)
I think it's a lot like soccer athletes in the real world, in that regard.
Better than the Kahuna theme? The Island Guardian theme? Solgaleo/Lunala theme? Ultra Necrozma's theme? Gladion's theme? The Title Defense theme? Hau's Title Defense theme? Can't say I agree. It's a good theme, and nice use of the Hall of Fame theme, but Sun and Moon did it better using the main series theme as build up and the Alola theme being used throughout to culminate your entire adventure through the region against Kukui.
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I personally think it is better than those, yes. Not to say those aren't great! (SuMo has an incredible soundtrack after all). I agree with the Champion theme for SuMo also being great, yeah, but for me, the Galar Champion Theme represents a far more satisfying musical culmination, especially with its excellent use of multiple motifs.
I guess for me, there's no emotional hook to the battle. That's what accentuates the gen 7 theme for me. Kukui travels with you throughout the island challenge and talks about his dreams with you of making a league challenge that is just as impressive as other regions. So it comes as surprise that the Pokemon Professor of the game, the one who gave you your starter and picked the third one, a first for the series, is your challenger for the Championship title. The buildup makes it really special since the games were released during the 20th anniversary.
me too. one of the best parts of the game.
champion battle in particular is so much more hype than any past champion, feelings for Leon aside (i actually like him tho and I think his team is quite good)
champion battle in particular is so much more hype than any past champion, feelings for Leon aside (i actually like him tho and I think his team is quite good)
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Yeah, I do think the Alola theme is a great 20th anniversary culmination (especially since you were originally meant to fight Oak in Red/Blue if I am not wrong), and it does feel like the logical conclusion to Kukui's storyline. But to me, the Galar theme works for multiple reasons: a) it's using YOUR theme to play it at the greatest moment of your triumph (this same theme also having played during your earlier triumph against the existential threat to Galar); b) after being told the whole game how the Champion is unbeatable, I'm finally facing him, and the theme completely meets that sense of frantic anticipation and giddiness c) love the usage of the hall of fame theme, as you said d) I can't stress enough how much I like the chanting in these games' music. It really elevates the whole thing for me.