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I played Horizon Zero Dawn and AC: Odyssey back to back and AC was better at virtually everything
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There's a BIG, HUGE difference between saying it has a "good story" and it has "the greatest sci-fi story". Do people even speak English here? It's not even my native language and sometimes I feel like I have a better grasp of it lol.
While I definitely don't agree with your hot take on her characterization, there is definitely an element of 'providence' in the game as a driving force. In the case of HZD, her character is more Neo from Matrix in the case of why and who she is in relation.
Era was always very very sour on this game long before its release. It was predicted to be first AAA bomb from Sony 1st party. It obviously wasn't and hence we get threads like these from time to time. Exclusives bring the worst out of many on this place, just the way it is.
My thoughts too. Sliding on your knees and shooting dino mechas with explosive arrows never gets old.
Whenever I see threads like this, I have to wonder when did they last time play an AC game before Odyssey.
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Horizon was overrated mediocrity. Hopefully they take the many criticisms to heart with the sequel.
HZD has a way better story.
Everything else, I can concede.
Still, it was GG's first RPG in a brand new IP with far fewer people on it than the thousands that work on AC Odyssey.
Also, Odyssey feels like a ton of bloat to me whereas HZD felt way more focused, even if that means a small campaign overall, I value my time more than anything so I'll take a pretty good 40-50 hours over the 100+ Odyssey would require for me to finish it completely.
Everything else, I can concede.
Still, it was GG's first RPG in a brand new IP with far fewer people on it than the thousands that work on AC Odyssey.
Also, Odyssey feels like a ton of bloat to me whereas HZD felt way more focused, even if that means a small campaign overall, I value my time more than anything so I'll take a pretty good 40-50 hours over the 100+ Odyssey would require for me to finish it completely.
If anything it was somewhat the opposite, at least critically and with respect to journalist impressions anyway, since it was constantly being compared to Breath of the Wild at certain gaming outlets, due to releasing so close to one another other, and having review copies sent out and played at around the same time.
They basically took Matrix and repurposed it. If retelling that story with a spin is best sci-fi in years then yes, I think it's somewhat sad.
For me HZD's story was elevated by individual moments within it and mostly they were moments of Aloy's character growth. I also do appreciate world building they went into in order to explain things and set scene for more to come in universe, but overarching story was little bit too much predictable and done before. I wanted to care more about side characters, but they also didn't get nearly enough screen time and depth.
Even from story perspective I feel there should have been more as some things just... end to wall without conclusion that feels good.
I don't see the point of comparing if assassins creed doesn't have similar massive machine battles?
That was like HZD's thing in a new ip.
That was like HZD's thing in a new ip.
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I admit that this is part of the reason why I have ignored it.
Where did i say greatesr sci fi story? Maybe you should read my comment again.
One thing I would add is that I did not like GG aping every other open world game by having the busy work of "bandit camps" (aka Ubisoft's design philosophy). I know it was to pad the game's playtime but it was way too blatant of a copy paste design aspect. And in that regard, given their background with KZ games, it was a surprise at how incompetent human AI could be from time to time which added up to 'frequently' (especially in comparison to non-human AI).
There is definite improvement to be had in those two regards.
There is definite improvement to be had in those two regards.
AC odyssey is extremely overrated. Hzdz story is so much more interesting. The enemy variety and combat tactics alone destroy anything odyssey has to offer in terms of gameplay.
Ubisofy have made great improvements to their open world formulae but there games are still largely forgettable.
Ubisofy have made great improvements to their open world formulae but there games are still largely forgettable.
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Sony exclusives basically have shrines erected for them on resetera. Every poor design aspect thats criticized in every 3rd party game becomes amazing in a sony exclcusive, its a tried and true mechanic. People here become laser focused on every title thats a sony exclusive and can barelly believe how amazing it is, most of the times. They became games of the generation for many.
Posts like yours that try to portray that somehow sony is this underdog, this poor fella thats ganged up by mean people. Here, on resetera. The most sony focused forum ive ever seen? Posts like this are in incredibly bad faith
You can be critical of things you like and/or enjoy. It doesn't mean you hate them.
There is more "levels" to it than Internet's default "hate" or "worship" modes.
Did you actually play Horizon? That's not the story of the game at all.
I haven't seen anyone call it the "greatest sci-fi story" ever made either.
Personally I did enjoy ACO a lot more but never finished it because it's just too big. I don't know really know what it is about HZD, but it feels too empty for me. I just can't immerse myself into the world I always have the sense of "just" playing a game. This to some degree was the same with ACO but never to the degree of HZD. Red Dead Redemption 2 on the other hand fully immersed me into it's world and just felt alive.
You're tripping
If TW3 controlled like Odyssey gaming would had been cancelled forever.
I am not gonna sit here and call Horizon dull. I liked the story and was interested in the mystery a bit. I think the bow combat plus higher difficulty enemies are great. The visuals and sound design (not just music, but sound design for environment and enemies etc.). amazing.
I also played both back to back and Odyssey comes out on top. Horizon is still fun, but I think Odyssey plays better and I like the story more. Horizon is promising but is one of those games where I think "God, I hope this gets a sequel because there's some changes that it needs to be truly great and I'd love to see that happen."
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Lol. I'm actually not sure if you guys are memeing or not. In terms of open world RPGs, AC:O did very well in the combat department. The competition isn't very stiff, but fighting remained fun for the entirety of my playthrough.Proof.
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Well, HZD was that studio's first attempt at this kind of game while Ubisoft has tweaked and perfected the AC formula over a 100 games. I think the game is fantastic. Haven't played Odyssey to compare them though.
Hmmm. I don't know. I loved Odyssey and Kassandra. I've played well over 100 hours of it and I've nearly finished it, but I've fallen off and I've got the bloody season pass to get to yet. There's maybe too much there. Yet, I've played through Horizon twice.
Horizon has a fantastic and thought prevoking sci fi story, giant flipping robots and cool redheads and even better graphics - have you seen it on a good 4K HDR screen? Wow. It's also a little less intimidating than AC.
So, yeah it's Horizon for me - it struck my special nerve and that's how I know. AC Odyssey is still brilliant and a must play though.
Horizon has a fantastic and thought prevoking sci fi story, giant flipping robots and cool redheads and even better graphics - have you seen it on a good 4K HDR screen? Wow. It's also a little less intimidating than AC.
So, yeah it's Horizon for me - it struck my special nerve and that's how I know. AC Odyssey is still brilliant and a must play though.
I did finish Odyssey while Horizon bored me, but honestly I can just trace that back to one thing:
Horizon not having melee combat.
Forcing me to always use ranged weapons for every fight made combat very not fun for me, especially since every enemy in Horizon loves to CHARGE AT YOU constantly, meaning that pretty much all combat involved running away from enemies while trying to squeeze off shots at them and praying you don't get caught on geometry mid-run. I hate that kind of game design, and Horizon was full of that.
Horizon not having melee combat.
Forcing me to always use ranged weapons for every fight made combat very not fun for me, especially since every enemy in Horizon loves to CHARGE AT YOU constantly, meaning that pretty much all combat involved running away from enemies while trying to squeeze off shots at them and praying you don't get caught on geometry mid-run. I hate that kind of game design, and Horizon was full of that.
HZD was a fantastic experience. I liked the story, had a lot of fun with the gameplay and enjoyed the DLC. It's a fun start to a promising franchise.
The original AC was a pile of shit as far as gameplay is concerned but it looked pretty. Seems to be the same criticism levelled against HZD.
ACO was one of the best games I've played in the last year and I liked basically everything about it. Cassandra was a great character. It took how many sequels to achieve this greatness? Ten?
I liked both games a lot but where AC is now makes me excited for the future potential of more Horizon games.
The original AC was a pile of shit as far as gameplay is concerned but it looked pretty. Seems to be the same criticism levelled against HZD.
ACO was one of the best games I've played in the last year and I liked basically everything about it. Cassandra was a great character. It took how many sequels to achieve this greatness? Ten?
I liked both games a lot but where AC is now makes me excited for the future potential of more Horizon games.
HZD had the more enjoyable story, but more than that....it's presentation and reveal of the story is one of my favorites. There are some truly haunting scenes in that game.
You're talking about lore mostly. The story is about the present day with the human antagonists whose names I can't even remember. Its story is really average for a video game and its characters excluding Rost and the ones you mentioned in the lore are forgettable. The narrative which you already talked about is insanely bad. Guerilla Games though it was a good idea to throw all the imo good lore at the player in the last 20% of the game. There are missions where you listen more to audio logs than you actually play the mission. It's even more insane when you consider that a 10 year old game called BioShock did audio logs better.
Assassin's Creed Odyssey is a pretty trash game in the end. It was built around microtransactions, bloated to hell and back with half-assed RPG mechanics and levelgating, and lacked everything that made the Ezio trilogy great.
HZD's combat is leagues better than Odyssey's. If you want peak AC combat, you should play AC Unity.
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Thank you for contributing nothing to the OP but instead more console warring non-sense.
Funny thing is, you don't understand the irony of 'incredibly bad faith' posts given your post history. Last time I called you out on it, you predictably never replied.