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I like Doom 3 better than Doom 1, please praise me for my bravery in making such a statement
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Well at least it was creepy if not more of the first. Doom reboot is exceptional gameplay wise but it seems more the spiritual successor of Duke Nukem 3d setting in the Doom universe than a true horror fps. I missed the frightening part of Doom series.
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While I can't personally agree that Doom 3 was better, I won't fault the OP for saying so.
I was playing the original Doom from January 6, 1994 straight through until...hell, I'm still playing it. It's a masterpiece.
That said, I adore Doom 3 and regularly revisit it as well. Certain set pieces stick with me even today. It's almost like an alternate-reality Doom, the answer to the question of what would have happened if the original idea had been to make a survival horror game.
They're both great games and I'm driven to play each of them at different times and by different moods.
Now, I'll add my agreement to the equally-risque opinion that Doom 2 wasn't so great. Level design wasn't as on-point, textures were mostly too brown and drab, and by the end it felt pretty uninspired (map18 was a favorite, though). Yeah yeah, super shotgun. I'd still rather fire the single-barrel pump-action. Come at me.
I was playing the original Doom from January 6, 1994 straight through until...hell, I'm still playing it. It's a masterpiece.
That said, I adore Doom 3 and regularly revisit it as well. Certain set pieces stick with me even today. It's almost like an alternate-reality Doom, the answer to the question of what would have happened if the original idea had been to make a survival horror game.
They're both great games and I'm driven to play each of them at different times and by different moods.
Now, I'll add my agreement to the equally-risque opinion that Doom 2 wasn't so great. Level design wasn't as on-point, textures were mostly too brown and drab, and by the end it felt pretty uninspired (map18 was a favorite, though). Yeah yeah, super shotgun. I'd still rather fire the single-barrel pump-action. Come at me.
Fuck I hate that word and when it's used badly.
You're using it badly. A masterpiece is not trash.
Doom 3 is the truth I favour it over the ones before it, the atmosphere and the UAC hold up very nicely for me. Doom 2016 is amazing
The weapon sounds were my biggest issue when I originally played it. They're just shockingly weak. I can at least understand why the pistol would lack punch as the starting weapon (though I don't agree with the reasoning), but how could you make the shotgun and machine gun sound so pathetic? Some of the worst weapon sounds in an FPS.
Once I figured out "it's always behind you", Doom 3 was ruined for me.
Doom 3 is the only one I haven't played. It sounds like I should give it a shot.
Totally with you on Doom 64, OP.
I'd love to play Quake and Quake 2 again. I wonder what form a Quake reboot would take...Hopefully it'd be a creative idea that combines both the first and second games.
Totally with you on Doom 64, OP.
I'd love to play Quake and Quake 2 again. I wonder what form a Quake reboot would take...Hopefully it'd be a creative idea that combines both the first and second games.
There are many words to describe Doom 3 and trash is the most accurate.
Activate next trigger to let monster (for the 20th time) spawn behind you - amazing "game design".
You're A-Okay with me, OP. Doom 3 is not my favorite Doom game, but I absolutely loved it as a horror shooter.
Game scared the shit out of me when it first came out, and while that wasn't what I wanted from a numbered Doom game, I really appreciate it for what it does.
Game scared the shit out of me when it first came out, and while that wasn't what I wanted from a numbered Doom game, I really appreciate it for what it does.
Not my favorite DOOM game by a long shot, feels like a separate game in its own right. I see where they were going with it, but the whole thing feels like a technology showcase that covers an average game. Things I disliked:
- Boring atmosphere and a little too repetitive when it comes to samey rooms and corridors. DOOM 2016 fixes this
- Poor enemy AI and boring encounters. I understand original Doom games had brain dead AI, but at least make them move with more aggression and believably. It seems "Charge" or "Sit and wait" is the flavor of the day. I would put RAGE and DOOM 2016 way above in the encounter design
- Guns aren't fun. Enemy feedback is sloppy, the shotgun, chain gun and sub machine gun all sound pithy. A DOOM game without a shotgun that sounds like the world is coming to an end is not worth having. The sub machine gun has a cool reload, but sounds like banging nails on pots and pans.
- Enemy closets
- Boring antagonist, complete chucklefuck. Laughs at everything. The Blizzard Antagonist effect.
- Poor pacing. Seriously needed more things in between to mix it up. A few sections were nice, but too far between
- Enemy design isn't great. I literally only like the Baron of Hell and Pinky Demon. The cacodemon has a terrible design in comparison to DOOM 2016
- The semiotics and symbology all over made me laugh as it was over used. Once you see one pentagram it's all the same, even when you have to stop to be forced to look at it like a scared child. Might as well have a cheap ghost on a stick and say "Boo" because it has the same impact
Now it isn't all DOOM and gloom.
- Some moments are fun, the break ups are ok
- Environments feel lived in and believable
- The interactivity with the monitors is fun and unintrusive
- Scouring for clues and the way forward was sometimes interesting
- Baron of Hell and Pinky Demon are cool
- Lighting as a mechanic is pretty neat
- The main character shuts the fuck up
- Boring atmosphere and a little too repetitive when it comes to samey rooms and corridors. DOOM 2016 fixes this
- Poor enemy AI and boring encounters. I understand original Doom games had brain dead AI, but at least make them move with more aggression and believably. It seems "Charge" or "Sit and wait" is the flavor of the day. I would put RAGE and DOOM 2016 way above in the encounter design
- Guns aren't fun. Enemy feedback is sloppy, the shotgun, chain gun and sub machine gun all sound pithy. A DOOM game without a shotgun that sounds like the world is coming to an end is not worth having. The sub machine gun has a cool reload, but sounds like banging nails on pots and pans.
- Enemy closets
- Boring antagonist, complete chucklefuck. Laughs at everything. The Blizzard Antagonist effect.
- Poor pacing. Seriously needed more things in between to mix it up. A few sections were nice, but too far between
- Enemy design isn't great. I literally only like the Baron of Hell and Pinky Demon. The cacodemon has a terrible design in comparison to DOOM 2016
- The semiotics and symbology all over made me laugh as it was over used. Once you see one pentagram it's all the same, even when you have to stop to be forced to look at it like a scared child. Might as well have a cheap ghost on a stick and say "Boo" because it has the same impact
Now it isn't all DOOM and gloom.
- Some moments are fun, the break ups are ok
- Environments feel lived in and believable
- The interactivity with the monitors is fun and unintrusive
- Scouring for clues and the way forward was sometimes interesting
- Baron of Hell and Pinky Demon are cool
- Lighting as a mechanic is pretty neat
- The main character shuts the fuck up
Oh no, it's Survival Horror Resident Evil vs. Action Resident Evil all over again.
I'm going to say that I'm pretty hard into the "I want my Doom to be DOOM, dammit" camp, but I still appreciate what they tried to do with 3. The problem, as many have said, is that they're obviously trying to go for some sort of System Shock vibe, but the only thing they could seem to think to do for a majority of the game is monster closets. It quickly became predictable, and lost any sense of fear that they were trying to go for. Having a wall open up from behind when you are in a corner or a tight corridor so a guy gets some free shots on you is not scary, it's frustrating. Sure, the Dooms beforehand had monster closets too, but they weren't trying to scare you. It was a surprise encounter to drain you a bit, usually after you found a really good item. There was pretty much always room to maneuver and avoid damage.
I've certainly got no problem with them, or any game company, trying to do something different, but they have to convince us that it's worth it. A prettier, but not quite as good, version of System Shock 2 just ain't going to cut it.
I'm going to say that I'm pretty hard into the "I want my Doom to be DOOM, dammit" camp, but I still appreciate what they tried to do with 3. The problem, as many have said, is that they're obviously trying to go for some sort of System Shock vibe, but the only thing they could seem to think to do for a majority of the game is monster closets. It quickly became predictable, and lost any sense of fear that they were trying to go for. Having a wall open up from behind when you are in a corner or a tight corridor so a guy gets some free shots on you is not scary, it's frustrating. Sure, the Dooms beforehand had monster closets too, but they weren't trying to scare you. It was a surprise encounter to drain you a bit, usually after you found a really good item. There was pretty much always room to maneuver and avoid damage.
I've certainly got no problem with them, or any game company, trying to do something different, but they have to convince us that it's worth it. A prettier, but not quite as good, version of System Shock 2 just ain't going to cut it.
As much as I love Doom and Doom 2, it's nice to have a fairly linear experience versus Doom's "wander around for an hour looking for a key" gameplay loop.
Ye, Doom 3 took the modern FPS tropes in such a naive way.
I would argue that some of mutant parts of Far Cry, Ravenholm or certain levels of Paikiller represented a more interesting and accomplished vision of what DOOM with a heavy horror shift should be in 2004. Let alone F.E.A.R., the year after.
Well, you did say 'I like...' and not 'is better...' so nothing wrong with that!
I get what they were going for with Doom 3 but it never worked for me and I bought it on launch day and have tried getting into it over and over.
My favorites are PSX Doom and Doom 64.
I get what they were going for with Doom 3 but it never worked for me and I bought it on launch day and have tried getting into it over and over.
My favorites are PSX Doom and Doom 64.
Heck yeah! Doom 3 is awesome! Love the designs of the demons and plus all the blood and gore...it is all just lovely. Doom 1 is pretty boring imo. Of course, Doom 3 really appeals to me do to the horror aspect and stuff. It's just so much fun blasting demons away with the shotgun or mowing them all down with the chaingun. Guess you can obviously do that in the other Doom games but I find it most enjoyable in Doom 3. Plus!...plusssss you gotta admit the Doom 3 soundtrack is pretty kickin! Well, if you like that type of music anyways.
I liked it better than HL2 and you saw how that went lmao all are good games though, but I can't say I liked it better than Doom 1/2
