I'm amazed you would prefer the PS above the Xbox controller.
Aligned sticks are the worst thing ever.
Quick resume guaranteed that I will pick up multiplats on my XSX instead of my PS5.
I dunno, I feel like this is always a matter of what you're used to. I find it inevitable that when you switch controller types after a good long while it's gonna suck for a bit no matter what.I'm amazed you would prefer the PS above the Xbox controller.
Aligned sticks are the worst thing ever.
I'm amazed you would prefer the PS above the Xbox controller.
Aligned sticks are the worst thing ever.
IAlthough less eco-friendly, and I hate to admit it, but I love that I can just swap batteries on the XSX controller.
Microsoft can't do that either because that is up to the publishers of the games.Obviously Microsoft won't ever do something like that but maybe they could do time trials for the entire library through GamePass.
You are comparing two different things. PS+ games is the same as Games with Gold (xbox) not gamepass.PS+ does have an advantage where you still have access as long as you are subscribed to PS+ (which I still do, all the way back to PS3 days).
Semantics, but It's not a virtual machine, rather a hypervisor. The difference is a virtual machine emulates hardware, while a hypervisor is a sandboxed environment running it's own OS but is otherwise still running all the hardware natively.If I recall correctly I don't think Quick Resume is actually possible on PC/PS5 due to the way the Xbox OS functions (correct me if my understanding or reasoning is wrong) - games on Xbox run in a virtual machine and when they get suspended a save state of the game is created (in a similar vein to emulation).
The Xbox battery is modular, you don't need to be using AAs at all if you don't want to: https://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/accessories/batteries-chargers/play-and-charge-kitAlthough less eco-friendly, and I hate to admit it, but I love that I can just swap batteries on the XSX controller.
Funny, I used to not care, but despite starting with Xbox's layout back with OG Xbox, I now prefer PlayStation.I'm amazed you would prefer the PS above the Xbox controller.
Aligned sticks are the worst thing ever.
For the dual sense its fine for me. But for PS3/4 my thumbs just hurt after a while. Really didnt like that and bought an Xbox Style Gamepad for each.I'm amazed you would prefer the PS above the Xbox controller.
Aligned sticks are the worst thing ever.
Except when it comes to SSDs.
Having gotten a Series X after skipping the Xbox One (due to the 360 RROD fiasco/lack of innovation late gen), I like what I see. My criticisms are this:
- Achievements are utterly meaningless. You can have 10,000 GS and it can be either 10 complete games or enough games to add up to 10,000 GS.
- GamePass isn't as robust as I thought it would be. I personally think GamePass should be the ENTIRE Xbox library. Obviously Microsoft won't ever do something like that but maybe they could do time trials for the entire library through GamePass.
- I don't like games dropping off GamePass at set times. If I cared more about achievements and not wanting to buy games, it's essentially a forced server shutdown (which has plagued trophy hunters since PS3 days) for a game leaving the service. PS+ does have an advantage where you still have access as long as you are subscribed to PS+ (which I still do, all the way back to PS3 days).
- Having to download games from GamePass and not just play it instantly. You just as well buy the game at that point.
- I have small hands (for a guy) and I think the analog sticks are too small for me. I guess I'm too used to PlayStation DualShock 3/4/DualSense and how those controllers feel. It is a sturdy controller (although I find having to buy batteries to be annoying).
- None of my region free import 360 games work on my Series X. And some of my library on 360 just doesn't work (like the XNA Indie games and War of the Worlds, which I'm glad that one doesn't).
- Xbox's library isn't quite as deep with Japanese games getting US releases as it is on PlayStation. Beyond that, both libraries are about the same.
- Microsoft still hasn't addressed the criticism that they are stagnant with their first party games (Halo, Gears, Forza can only go so far). I wish they would have their "The Last of Us" or their "Horizon: Zero Dawn" or "God of War (2018)" or even their "Death Stranding." Not something that copies from those games at all, but something that's unique to Microsoft and stands alongside Halo/Gears/Forza.
What I like:
- GamePass has Cloud Gaming!! Honestly, when it's available it's quite cool. The only drawback is if you do Quick Resume, you will have to restart.
- I missed out on a lot of Xbox One games and honestly there were quality games from that gen. Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Dead Rising 3, Ori & The Blind Forest, Recore and Gears of War 4 among others.
- I like being able to try a lot of games on GamePass. I played MLB The Show 22 on GamePass and really enjoyed it - I ended up getting it on PS5 (since to me, MLB The Show is a PlayStation game).
- Forza Horizon 4 & 5 are just freaking gorgeous.
- Microsoft did get it right with their library being backwards compatible, all the way to some Xbox games. I wish the entire Xbox/Xbox 360 libraries were backwards compatible, but that would be impossible to do.
- I actually like their store layout. PlayStation seems to just throw the entire library at you all at once, which is overwhelming.
- I mainly bought my Series X for Starfield (which I'll get a physical copy so I'm not beholden to GamePass for that).
- Microsoft's sales are about equal to PlayStation for me although finding Xbox One games on sale more frequently is nice.
- Glad Microsoft moved away from Kinect (although I may get one soon so I can do Kinect Sports & Kinect Star Wars for cheap).
- Holy shit is the Series X so much quieter and takes up less space. PS4 sounds like a jet engine when the system fan has to do work and PS5 is just too bulky.
- Achievements are utterly meaningless. You can have 10,000 GS and it can be either 10 complete games or enough games to add up to 10,000 GS.
Not sure how they makes Achievements meaningless? You get 1,000 GS if you complete every achievement in a game. It's a "perfect" Gamerscore. Of course, if you aren't a completionist you won't get as many points and it'll take longer for your Gamescore to add up.
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- GamePass isn't as robust as I thought it would be. I personally think GamePass should be the ENTIRE Xbox library. Obviously Microsoft won't ever do something like that but maybe they could do time trials for the entire library through GamePass.
Are you saying, like, every single title available on Xbox, 3rd party included? That's absolutely impossible and will never happen.
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- Having to download games from GamePass and not just play it instantly. You just as well buy the game at that point.
You can play many Game Pass game instantly, right through your Xbox, with xCloud. And I'm sorry but saying you might as well pay $60 for a game because you have to download it makes exactly zero sense.
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- Microsoft still hasn't addressed the criticism that they are stagnant with their first party games (Halo, Gears, Forza can only go so far). I wish they would have their "The Last of Us" or their "Horizon: Zero Dawn" or "God of War (2018)" or even their "Death Stranding." Not something that copies from those games at all, but something that's unique to Microsoft and stands alongside Halo/Gears/Forza.
They've addressed that criticism by creating new studios like The Initiative, bolstering studios they already had, acquiring a fuck ton of new AAA devs/studios, and announcing several major titles like Hellblade II, Avowed, Starfield, Fable, Perfect Dark, Everwild, Elder Scrolls VI, etc.. etc.. Not to mention that Xbox Game Studios released the most high scoring AAA games out of any publisher last year. Games take a long time to make, but clearly Microsoft has taken a huge amount of action towards fixing their past 1st party problems.
2023 is expected to be a pretty big year for Xbox releases and every year after that will be the same. You won't have to wait 3 to 5 years, and as you mentioned we're getting a massive new sci fi RPG at the end of this year along with Redfall, and probably Forza and maybe some other surprises.1) That's largely my point with achievements being meaningless. A completionist will get 1,000 GS (minus any DLC achievements added) and it's an accomplishment to have 10 games completed that way. Whereas someone who doesn't care about achievements will take longer but will eventually get to 10,000 GS.
2) I'm (and admittedly unrealistically) thinking there would be more with GamePass and almost the entire library. There's still a lot and still more than physically capable of being played to 100%. I wish it was still the entire Microsoft/third party library and I know that's not possible.
3) What I'm talking about with downloading with GamePass is this: You download the game and the game leaves the GamePass service (which is bound to happen). You go back to the game and the game is no longer accessible. If it's something that you wanted to play but due to lack of time, you just as well buy it whenever it's on sale or whenever you feel like it.
4) I understand that Microsoft has addressed it - but I honestly foresee what they are doing to be out in three to five years. And quite a few you mentioned are in danger of being vaporware (except for Starfield, are any of them coming out in 2022, much less 2023)?
1. I guess I just view it differently. If you're a completionist, you'll be rewarded in that you'll have 5,000 GS by playing just 5 games. Whereas if you're not trying to get that 1,000 GS, it might take 10 or 15 or 20 games to reach that same score. And for me personally, I don't really care about comparing myself to others anyway. I just like seeing that GS score go up over the years. It's a nice little side motivator to complete games for me.1) That's largely my point with achievements being meaningless. A completionist will get 1,000 GS (minus any DLC achievements added) and it's an accomplishment to have 10 games completed that way. Whereas someone who doesn't care about achievements will take longer but will eventually get to 10,000 GS.
2) I'm (and admittedly unrealistically) thinking there would be more with GamePass and almost the entire library. There's still a lot and still more than physically capable of being played to 100%. I wish it was still the entire Microsoft/third party library and I know that's not possible.
3) What I'm talking about with downloading with GamePass is this: You download the game and the game leaves the GamePass service (which is bound to happen). You go back to the game and the game is no longer accessible. If it's something that you wanted to play but due to lack of time, you just as well buy it whenever it's on sale or whenever you feel like it.
4) I understand that Microsoft has addressed it - but I honestly foresee what they are doing to be out in three to five years. And quite a few you mentioned are in danger of being vaporware (except for Starfield, are any of them coming out in 2022, much less 2023)?
1) That's largely my point with achievements being meaningless. A completionist will get 1,000 GS (minus any DLC achievements added) and it's an accomplishment to have 10 games completed that way. Whereas someone who doesn't care about achievements will take longer but will eventually get to 10,000 GS.
2) I'm (and admittedly unrealistically) thinking there would be more with GamePass and almost the entire library. There's still a lot and still more than physically capable of being played to 100%. I wish it was still the entire Microsoft/third party library and I know that's not possible.
3) What I'm talking about with downloading with GamePass is this: You download the game and the game leaves the GamePass service (which is bound to happen). You go back to the game and the game is no longer accessible. If it's something that you wanted to play but due to lack of time, you just as well buy it whenever it's on sale or whenever you feel like it.
4) I understand that Microsoft has addressed it - but I honestly foresee what they are doing to be out in three to five years. And quite a few you mentioned are in danger of being vaporware (except for Starfield, are any of them coming out in 2022, much less 2023)?
Agree with almost everything OP said. I got a Series X last year and while I really enjoy it, the UI is abysmal. It's the worst UI I've used in the past 10 years. absolutely terrible. Even the Switch is better.
I put everything into groups and simply navigate to each group from top to bottom with the triggers. I can't see that as being a mess to use. And the settings page is far more logically laid out compared to PlayStation settings page. That alone makes should make the Xbox UI easier to use.
Maybe you need to use more groups and pins on your homepage?
Why wouldn't there be separate listings for Game Pass and the store? They're two different things, that really shouldn't be confusing to you. It's all fairly simple to use, even if you don't want to customize at all. All your most recent games and apps are there at the top, and if whatever you're looking for isn't there you just click into My Games and Apps and find it...I think i'm just hard wired to only want the kind of OS that the ps4/switch/ps5 have. Just my games from left to right with nothing else unless i actively seek it.
Xbox UI has ads, movies, and just so much bullshit i don't want to see. Oh and separate listings for gamepass, store and games store. it's so confusing. I understand that it's customizable. But i also think it's unreasonable to expect consumers to customize and OS to make it somewhat usable.
I think i'm just hard wired to only want the kind of OS that the ps4/switch/ps5 have. Just my games from left to right with nothing else unless i actively seek it.
Xbox UI has ads, movies, and just so much bullshit i don't want to see. Oh and separate listings for gamepass, store and games store. it's so confusing. I understand that it's customizable. But i also think it's unreasonable to expect consumers to customize and OS to make it somewhat usable.
Why wouldn't there be separate listings for Game Pass and the store? They're two different things, that really shouldn't be confusing to you. It's all fairly simple to use, even if you don't want to customize at all. All your most recent games and apps are there at the top, and if whatever you're looking for isn't there you just click into My Games and Apps and find it...
Some of these complaints in this thread really feel like the "My grandma won't know the difference between One X and Series X" complaints...
I think people defend it because it's pretty easy to use and most people don't spend a lot of time on it.Me and a friend of mine both got a Series X around the same time. We've been doing a full Gears/Halo replay. And it's funny how we both constantly just complain about the OS for the first 5 minutes of each of our sessions. I only see love for it here. To me, it's the closest a UI has felt to "objectively" bad. It just has so many basic missteps.
I don't understand why anyone defends that clutter.
Me and a friend of mine both got a Series X around the same time. We've been doing a full Gears/Halo replay. And it's funny how we both constantly just complain about the OS for the first 5 minutes of each of our sessions. I only see love for it here. To me, it's the closest a UI has felt to "objectively" bad. It just has so many basic missteps.
I don't understand why anyone defends that clutter.
Me and a friend of mine both got a Series X around the same time. We've been doing a full Gears/Halo replay. And it's funny how we both constantly just complain about the OS for the first 5 minutes of each of our sessions. I only see love for it here. To me, it's the closest a UI has felt to "objectively" bad. It just has so many basic missteps.
I don't understand why anyone defends that clutter.
Not trying to discount your own perspective, but let me offer a reason why I now firmly prefer PS style.
I've been playing a lot of Elden Ring recently. Whenever I'm in an intense fight and have to quickly change items with the dpad, I can keep moving/strafing in whatever direction I want while doing so, because I can just use my right thumb on the left stick for the second or so it takes to press the dpad. (Certainly helps to have dodge on right trigger instead of B/Circle as well.)
Don't forget Microsoft Rewards as well. I earn ~$20 in Xbox credit every month with MS Rewards. That's 4 full priced $60 games a year for free on top of what's already provided with Game Pass.From what I can tell xbox seems like a much better deal than Playstation. Between Gamepass, quick resume, free upgrades, potentially cheaper console etc. However, I like ps exclusives too much, so I went with the ps5. Spending over a grand for very similar consoles just isn't a smart financial idea for me right now, so I have to pick
I genuinely think that the only thing stopping Sony from switching to offset sticks is that their controller has an iconic design.I will never understand people who prefer parallel sticks to offset. I always thought stories like this were exaggerated, but I picked up a PS4 controller the other day for the first time in years and my hand was genuinely cramping up within 5 minutes. Horrible.
Hmm. Well perhaps I could work it that way too. To be honest I haven't contemplated that side of things since I've actually only played Soulslike games on Dual Shocks. Now that you mention it, it certainly could work the other way. In my defense I wrote that after staying up way too late in Elden Ring haha.I dont get it. On an Xbox controller, you can continue to move without switching your left thumb, and simply using your right hand to hit the closer d-pad, so you're only moving one hand as opposed to moving both, the way you described your PS controller experience.
I honestly don't understand why everyone finds the Xbox UI so terrible. Literally just pin the games you are currently playing and as soon as the console boots up pull the trigger once and you're at your pins.
How do you exactly do this? I have my console for almost a year and i don't know how to do this. It would be very helpful, sometimes my son plays on the console and leaves everything a damn mess...
Probably a bit of that and a bit of a good chunk of people do prefer the stick layout of the Playstation controller compared to the Xbox controller.I genuinely think that the only thing stopping Sony from switching to offset sticks is that their controller has an iconic design.