Perfectly said. I think there are better MCU movies, but the expierence of seeing it the first time or even again, is unlike anything else I've ever seen.
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I initially hated the delivery of "Avengers Assemble" in Endgame, but now I realized it was perfect.
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Because MCU movies aren't groundbreaking movies maybe?
They are more popculture phenomenon which will last as long as the kettle is hot. Once that is done, regular people will stop talking about them just like every other comic book movie in history.
It's a good thing no one is talking about people who already make movies.
We're talking about the children who will grow up to. But that doesn't matter to you, as the bolded makes clear.
I'm not sure anything from the MCU is going to be as influential as Star Wars or The Matrix, but maybe that's an impossibly high bar
What makes an Avenger is not being part of the roster or being paid by Stark or living in the mansion/compound/tower.
What makes an Avenger is stepping out the door when shit doesn't make sense and doing something about it.
The MCU is plenty groundbreaking, the thing is no one else has been able to successfully do what Marvel has done in terms of becoming a cultural touchstone with universe-based sequential storytelling. There are numerous examples of other studios attempting to create their own "cinematic universe" in the vein of Marvel Studios and they've all failed rather miserably.
So the impact on the rest of the industry may not be as apparent but it has had a profound impact within Disney and Marvel themselves, and it has at least inspired other studios to do what they're doing, they just suck at it.
If it inspires a kid to get into filmmaking, it's influential.
And hell, how many cinematic universes have tried and failed to be a thing based on the success of the franchise already?
Yup, yeah, Star Wars probably didn't effect Coppola or Scorcese.
But, basically every director under 50 talks about how Star Wars effected them, just like the whole next generation of directors will be shaped by the MCU, even if they don't make a single superhero movie.
The audible gasps when Sam says "On your left" gets me every damn time
I have one question. First of all I don't know pretty much anything about these movies, actually I'm not too much into super heroes or comic books. The only ones I watched were the Xmen films but they went to shit.
So this weekend I watched IW and Endgame back to back and even though I didn't understand a lot of things on screen I really loved them, ewpecially the two final battles. Also this thread made me find out that the score was made by Alan Silvestri. I knew there was someone special behind that score. I love this man. Oh and I really loved Scarlet Witch. She's so badass.
So finally my question is, why is it such a big deal that Captain America is wielding the hammer? I often see that mentioned as a big moment but I don't know why.
So this weekend I watched IW and Endgame back to back and even though I didn't understand a lot of things on screen I really loved them, ewpecially the two final battles. Also this thread made me find out that the score was made by Alan Silvestri. I knew there was someone special behind that score. I love this man. Oh and I really loved Scarlet Witch. She's so badass.
So finally my question is, why is it such a big deal that Captain America is wielding the hammer? I often see that mentioned as a big moment but I don't know why.
I don't know. Him screaming "ASSEMBLE!" not only would have felt incredibly cheesy, but it wouldn't have messed with where Cap was at mentally and physically in that moment. I think Evans made the right call.
Cap had just gotten beaten down by Thanos after wielding Mjolnir and giving him his best, Thanos' army was bearing down on him, and he was still gonna put up a fight, despite barely being able to tighten his broken shield around his wrist. He knew he wouldn't win, but he was sure as hell gonna take out as many of those fuckers as he could before he goes. Then he hears Sam's voice over the radio, and the portals open, and his allies come to his aid. His "Assemble" was perfectly delivered. The anger and determination in his voice sold it.
yelling is dramatic and all flash and no substance, but nothing puckers up your butthole more than when your parents come at you with a calm, measured voice like "you know you done fucked up, right?" Cap was doing that to Thanos. Lol yeah, it's often drowned out by the crowd reaction, but I still prefer it to a bombastic yell. That gritty determination in his voice really worked for me, personally.
Edit: it actually reminds me of Christopher Reeves', "General, why don't you step outside," from Superman 2. Not bombastic and over the top, but you felt that Supes was about to tear Zod a new one.
Cap had just gotten beaten down by Thanos after wielding Mjolnir and giving him his best, Thanos' army was bearing down on him, and he was still gonna put up a fight, despite barely being able to tighten his broken shield around his wrist. He knew he wouldn't win, but he was sure as hell gonna take out as many of those fuckers as he could before he goes. Then he hears Sam's voice over the radio, and the portals open, and his allies come to his aid. His "Assemble" was perfectly delivered. The anger and determination in his voice sold it.
yelling is dramatic and all flash and no substance, but nothing puckers up your butthole more than when your parents come at you with a calm, measured voice like "you know you done fucked up, right?" Cap was doing that to Thanos. Lol yeah, it's often drowned out by the crowd reaction, but I still prefer it to a bombastic yell. That gritty determination in his voice really worked for me, personally.
Edit: it actually reminds me of Christopher Reeves', "General, why don't you step outside," from Superman 2. Not bombastic and over the top, but you felt that Supes was about to tear Zod a new one.
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Because it means he's worthy, something that very, very few people are. And we've been waiting for Steve to become (or realize that he is) worthy. I'm glad you liked the films, but that moment is a culmination of three preceding Thor, Captain America, and Avengers films. Even if you understand why it's big, you're missing all of the character development, interactions, character dynamics, and plot points that make that moment special. The emotional beat of the moment is lost on you, even if you have a textbook understanding of what happened. You jumped into the two-part finale of a season finale, and the show has stopped caring if people have been following along or not.
Which is why Endgame is special. It's the result of 10 years of film storytelling.
Even whispered, isn't he talking into the mic that most of them somehow have? We know Sam could hear him...he speaks to everyone asking about the ugly brown van through the mic...asks Carol for the Assist...just saying.
Not sure how Valkyrie etc had mics though.
Not sure how Valkyrie etc had mics though.
I didn't like the delivery but it was also the wrong time to say it. Everyone is there already, it doesn't make sense and is too on the nose fan service.
It would have been more impactful if he called out for the avengers in the area to assemble when it looks like they're being beat. An act of desperation and stubborn courage, and then have Falcon call on your left and have that line up.
They had the perfect idea but they could have incorporated it better, in hindsight.
Only those worthy of the hammer may pick it up. You often see Thor use it on people as a paper weight and hold them down.
There were also moments of foreshadow to this moment. It's kinda a big deal because of how mythological the hammer is. It's a weapon of the gods!
From Avengers (2): Age of Ultron.
It would have been more impactful if he called out for the avengers in the area to assemble when it looks like they're being beat. An act of desperation and stubborn courage, and then have Falcon call on your left and have that line up.
They had the perfect idea but they could have incorporated it better, in hindsight.
Only those worthy of the hammer may pick it up. You often see Thor use it on people as a paper weight and hold them down.
There were also moments of foreshadow to this moment. It's kinda a big deal because of how mythological the hammer is. It's a weapon of the gods!
From Avengers (2): Age of Ultron.
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I'd say sticking the landing to over 22 cumulative films is a feat not likely to be easily repeated in my lifetime.
Is the movie perfect? Hardly. But as others have said, as an EXPERIENCE, it struck all the right cords and it's going to be fondly remember for a very long time to come.
So many other studios tried and failed to make their own "cinematic universe", but Marvel did it, with every single one of their films being successful. That's insane... and they're STILL going.
Is the movie perfect? Hardly. But as others have said, as an EXPERIENCE, it struck all the right cords and it's going to be fondly remember for a very long time to come.
So many other studios tried and failed to make their own "cinematic universe", but Marvel did it, with every single one of their films being successful. That's insane... and they're STILL going.
It's quite clear it's just an absolute fanservice set. Like, the Ravagers show up en masse pretty fast for no apparent reason other than being another faction tied loosely to the Guardians. It's fine to like it, and it's also fine to want there to be more to it than just 20 minutes of fanservice.