I have to ask: why is Nintendo allowing games like Waifu Uncovered on the Switch eShop?

Deleted member 21220 · Jul 17, 2020

I'm sick of seeing these games on the eShop.

spad3 said:
*complains about Waifu Uncovered*

Meanwhile:

Doom

Borderlands

Skyrim

Mortal Kombat 11

All are on the Switch, all of which have ridiculous amounts of violence - Doom and MK having the most gruesome level of murder and dismemberment.

You're saying porn is worse than murder, gore, and dismemberment?

What does that have to do with anything? Maybe there can be issues about both, but in this case it's talking about "porn".
Shooting clothes off of women is misogynistic. Yes you could make a game with men instead but there will always be a shit ton more with women.
Shooting clothes off people in general is problematic. Regardless of the reasoning it's violent and seems to lack consent.
The characters in this specific game seem underage or at least close to it, which is the case with a lot of these games.
And yes there is a lot worse "porn" games out there with much worse content in them, but that doesn't mean the content in this one is good or excused.

But yes please continue telling me about how this games can't be seen as problematic because we're not talking about something completely different as well. 🤦

Siggy-P said:
Seems pretty creep to me.

People can make a point about there being nothing wrong with pornographic games but I hardly find the notion of forcibly stripping women on a flimsy virus premise to be a healthy one. And that's before getting into all the other stuff.

The game can dress it up all they want, it calls the women "targets".

spad3 said:
it's not about allowing or not allowing

It's about what's considered appropriate vs inappropriate. Why are violent games "okay" but ones with nudity/sex not?

Which is worse?

Refer to the above quote (by Siggy-P) and my comments, it's not just about the nudity. Whataboutism at its finest (so much so you felt the need to make a thread in response to this one but on etcetera).

Swiggins · Jul 17, 2020

ZeoVGM said:
I always love these very specific rules.

You can only have 40% nipple, guys. Sorry.

Gamers can have a little nipple, as a treat.

PKrockin · Jul 17, 2020

ZeoVGM said:
But you're actually still missing the point. It isn't about "bare anime boobs" being inappropriate.

It's about the game's misogynistic treatment of women, which is a deep problem in our culture. That is worse than violence in games because it actually continues an ongoing issue with how women are looked at and treated.

Is this game just misogynistic because it's porn--because it's a delivery mechanism for anime boob? Or do you think the plot makes it much more misogynistic?

Side note, violence is still a deep problem especially in the US.

spad3 · Jul 17, 2020

2B or not 2B said:
I'm sick of seeing these games on the eShop.

What does that have to do with anything? Maybe there can be issues about both, but in this case it's talking about "porn".
Shooting clothes off of women is misogynistic. Yes you could make a game with men instead but there will always be a shit ton more with women.
Shooting clothes off people in general is problematic. Regardless of the reasoning it's violent and seems to lack consent.
The characters in this specific game seem underage or at least close to it, which is the case with a lot of these games.
And yes there is a lot worse "porn" games out there with much worse content in them, but that doesn't mean the content in this one is good or excused.

But yes please continue telling me about how this games can't be seen as problematic because we're not talking about something completely different as well. 🤦

Refer to the above quote (by Siggy-P) and my comments, it's not just about the nudity. Whataboutism at its finest (so much so you felt the need to make a thread in response to this one but on etcetera).

I'm not saying it's not problematic at all. It def is problematic. I'm simply asking where do we draw the line between acceptable and not acceptable?

Deleted member 11626 · Jul 17, 2020

I don't know how to properly curate the eshop, but there needs to be some quality control for sure. The eshop was wonderful when it was mostly really good games. But now I couldn't be bothered to sift through sales and new releases, because there's no way to vet these games with just my Switch alone. And if Nintendo isn't going to do it then they should at least allow user ratings, and maybe a Metacritic graphic. Something.

Deleted member 26039 · Jul 17, 2020

spad3 said:
I'm not saying it's not problematic at all. It def is problematic. I'm simply asking where do we draw the line between acceptable and not acceptable?

Its a private store so Nintendo can draw the lines wherever they want to. We have to change the culture around these issues and force governments/companies/entities to change their behavior. Letting companies know that they will lose support/money over trash like this sends a loud and clear signal.

Deleted member 21220 · Jul 17, 2020

spad3 said:
I'm not saying it's not problematic at all. It def is problematic. I'm simply asking where do we draw the line between acceptable and not acceptable?

You draw the line where the game is made for a misogynistic purpose instead of just having misogynistic elements which aren't perceived as being okay. I know they're not going to take it down, and it's by far not the worst out there, but why not point it out? If you have problems with some violence in games no one is stopping you making a thread on the issue.

But another issue with these games is that a lot of the times when there's threads for them era members always defend them. Even worse when the games clearly have underage characters. Like I don't care have your porn games all you want just don't make them violent or with no consent or including characters that look underage.

oreomunsta · Jul 17, 2020

Wow, that waifu sure has a huge set of b-

-ullet points outlining the features of the game next to her

AxkilAvenger · Jul 17, 2020

Is this game any good? Been on the fence about jumping back into shmups. Gotta be the right game to scratch that itch though

Deleted member 29660 · Jul 17, 2020

The real kicker about this thread is it's likely the most promotion the game has ever gotten.

SpaceCrystal · Jul 17, 2020

ZeoVGM said:
For a company that is so careful with maintaining a family-friendly image, it's strange to me that they are allowing stuff like this on their store.

I don't get it at all.

Nintendo were never "family-friendly" within 3rd party games. Remember games like Mortal Kombat II & DOOM on SNES & Resident Evil 4 & BMX XXX on Gamecube? Let's not forget about games such as Xenoblade 2 & Senran Kagura: Reflections & Peach Ball on their very own Switch platform.

Their family-friendly marketing is mostly within their 1st party games.

Bandage · Jul 17, 2020

Same reason Steam does.

spad3 · Jul 17, 2020

2B or not 2B said:
You draw the line where the game is made for a misogynistic purpose instead of just having misogynistic elements which aren't perceived as being okay. I know they're not going to take it down, and it's by far not the worst out there, but why not point it out? If you have problems with some violence in games no one is stopping you making a thread on the issue.

But another issue with these games is that a lot of the times when there's threads for them era members always defend them. Even worse when the games clearly have underage characters. Like I don't care have your porn games all you want just don't make them violent or with no consent or including characters that look underage.

I totally agree with this. And this means that content creators would have to be vetted and publishers should be gatekeeping content that is deemed to be misogynistic/contain underage characters doing explicit things.

Ororo · Jul 17, 2020

I"m glad the game is on the eshop, if all the other indie shovelware is allowed then this should too, nothing wrong with it. I'm happy nintendo is more open to any type of games.

Kcannon · Jul 17, 2020

spad3 said:
I totally agree with this. And this means that content creators would have to be vetted and publishers should be gatekeeping content that is deemed to be misogynistic/contain underage characters doing explicit things.

Easier said than done. The market is rather significant (because porn itself is everywhere), to the point Sony would rather alter said games with useless censorship than outright reject them.

This specific game is rather low in the priority scale, but there are a lot of bigger games there that are just as much sexualized and mysoginistic, if not more.

grand · Jul 17, 2020

The entire premise of the ESRB is for the console manufacturers to displace blame from themselves. Thus the answer to every such question will always be "We firmly believe in the ESRB's ability to set rating guidelines based upon yada yada yada".

But Nintendo isn't unique in this. The same game is on Steam. And countless similar games are on all the platforms. As long as there's not nudity or sex, all platform holders turn a blind eye to the "minimal gameplay to justify misogynism & perviness"

Deleted member 21255 · Jul 17, 2020

sdp said:
I"m glad the game is on the eshop, if all the other indie shovelware is allowed then this should too, nothing wrong with it. I'm happy nintendo is more open to any type of games.

Or how about we don't have either?

mugwhump · Jul 17, 2020

Meh. Doesn't look very good but it's been rated by the appropriate ratings bodies and Nintendo's got parental controls. Can't say I'm too torn up about it.

Dekuman · Jul 17, 2020

tyraniboah said:
I don't know how to properly curate the eshop, but there needs to be some quality control for sure. The eshop was wonderful when it was mostly really good games. But now I couldn't be bothered to sift through sales and new releases, because there's no way to vet these games with just my Switch alone. And if Nintendo isn't going to do it then they should at least allow user ratings, and maybe a Metacritic graphic. Something.

This isn't a quality issue, it's not an asset flip or Life of the Tiger, it's just someone trying to stir the pot because it's not allowed on the PS4

Vincent Alexander · Jul 17, 2020

sdp said:
I"m glad the game is on the eshop, if all the other indie shovelware is allowed then this should too, nothing wrong with it. I'm happy nintendo is more open to any type of games.

After the last 3 pages of people clearly explaining why this game is problematic, I have to assume this is sarcasm or trolling.

capnjazz · Jul 17, 2020

OP, are you just now seeing all the shovelware on the eShop? Why single out this random game?

Deleted member 21220 · Jul 17, 2020

capnjazz said:
OP, are you just now seeing all the shovelware on the eShop? Why single out this random game?

I think the post above yours is a good response to this:

Vincent Alexander said:
After the last 3 pages of people clearly explaining why this game is problematic, I have to assume this is sarcasm or trolling.

packy17 · Jul 17, 2020

sleepless_swan said:
Or how about we don't have either?

How about we stop trying to police what other people like?

capnjazz · Jul 17, 2020

packy17 said:
How about we stop trying to police what other people like?

Shoot 'em up games with poorly drawn anime characters are extremely problematic.

En-ou · Jul 17, 2020

Tora said:
Thanks OP buying this now

Lmao

Deleted member 21255 · Jul 17, 2020

packy17 said:
How about we stop trying to police what other people like?

You mean the mysogonist game where you shoot clothes off women?

Deleted member 21220 · Jul 17, 2020

capnjazz said:
Shoot 'em up games with poorly drawn anime characters are extremely problematic.

So you have come in just to troll then? I'm sorry I keep quoting this person but I don't think I could write it better myself:

Siggy-P said:
Seems pretty creep to me.

People can make a point about there being nothing wrong with pornographic games but I hardly find the notion of forcibly stripping women on a flimsy virus premise to be a healthy one. And that's before getting into all the other stuff.

The game can dress it up all they want, it calls the women "targets".

ZeoVGM · Jul 17, 2020

capnjazz said:
OP, are you just now seeing all the shovelware on the eShop? Why single out this random game?

The topic of the thread isn't about shovelware.

UCBooties · Jul 17, 2020

Bomblord said:
There's a blatant pedophilia game on the eshop. Like a straight up eroge game about primary school age girls just with the nudity cut out for the eshop release.

Why do I know this? Because I seen a new visual novel on the eshop and I popped the name into google to see if it was a decent VN worth playing.

Is it the weird train one? As soon as I saw the screenshots for that one I noped into the sun.

Deleted member 63846 · Jul 17, 2020

Siggy-P said:
Defending this by decrying violence in other games is incredibly intellectually dishonest and fooling nobody. Not to mention a blatant case of whataboutism and deflection.

The same could be said about defending violence and decrying this. No one is being honest it seems if they defend either or they don't decry both.

Calles said:
The real kicker about this thread is it's likely the most promotion the game has ever gotten.

Probably the plan all along. I thought about dog whistling this game too, only It was going to be a poll thread asking if I should buy The Witcher 3 or Waifus Uncovered.

capnjazz · Jul 17, 2020

ZeoVGM said:
The topic of the thread isn't about shovelware.

Yeah, but Nintendo has stuff up like Xenoblade 2 with their ridiculous designs, and that game is published by Nintendo themselves. It's just weird that you're going after this specific game instead of many of the other games that would be considered much more problematic.

packy17 · Jul 17, 2020

sleepless_swan said:
You mean the mysogonist game where you shoot clothes off women?

Not my taste, but I'm also not under the misguided delusion that it's my responsibility to be the morality police for everyone in the world

Doggg · Jul 17, 2020

Don't judge me

Hexa · Jul 17, 2020

UCBooties said:
Is it the weird train one? As soon as I saw the screenshots for that one I noped into the sun.

That one was actually approved by Sony too.

Deleted member 21255 · Jul 17, 2020

packy17 said:
Not my taste, but I'm also not under the misguided delusion that it's my responsibility to be the morality police for everyone in the world

I'm not trying to police anyone, but I am getting sick of people acting like stuff like this is no big deal and we should just ignore it.
If someone wants to buy the game I don't care but at least don't try and act like there's nothing wrong with it.

Carassius Auratus · Jul 17, 2020

I mean, this is the same eShop that sells Mary Skelter 2... The curation is a bit odd to begin with lol.

packy17 · Jul 17, 2020

sleepless_swan said:
I'm not trying to police anyone, but I am getting sick of people acting like stuff like this is no big deal and we should just ignore it.
If someone wants to buy the game I don't care but at least don't try and act like there's nothing wrong with it.

This is less harmful than run-of-the-mill porn, honestly. Hope you've never watched any of that.

brawndolicious · Jul 17, 2020

I remember reading this interview with Miyamoto (the legend) back when I was 13:

Student: Ah, um, um... What do you think of girl games?

SM: Sorry, what?

I: Umm... What do you think of "bishoujo" games.

SM: Oh. As I mentioned earlier, I try to appeal to all ages, so I try not to pare down my target audience.

So there you have it, Nintendo has always wanted to be a filthy, vile, wonderful porn company. They make the games for innocent kids and for self-loathing adults, stop judging.

It literally took me half an hour to remember the spelling of bishoujo in order to find this interview from 2003. Not all heroes wear capes.

Deleted member 21220 · Jul 17, 2020

capnjazz said:
Yeah, but Nintendo has stuff up like Xenoblade 2 with their ridiculous designs, and that game is published by Nintendo themselves. It's just weird that you're going after this specific game instead of many of the other games that would be considered much more problematic.

The designs in Xenoblade have been pointed out as being ridiculous and misogynistic before. However you don't start shotting the clothes off of them for your own pleasure -_- I think it's clear that one is worse than the other.

packy17 said:
Not my taste, but I'm also not under the misguided delusion that it's my responsibility to be the morality police for everyone in the world

Oh it's okay we won't point out anything wrong with anything again, so sorry if you want to buy or defend misogynistic game and we've pointed that fact out is an issue 🙄 we also keep quite about sexist content of any kind in games, or transphobic, or racist, how about we do it in real life too. If you want to defend something at least do it instead of giving out that people are trying to "morally shame" you.

packy17 · Jul 17, 2020

2B or not 2B said:
Oh it's okay we won't point out anything wrong with anything again, so sorry if you want to buy or defend misogynistic game and we've pointed that fact out is an issue 🙄 we also keep quite about sexist content of any kind in games, or transphobic, or racist, how about we do it in real life too. If you want to defend something at least do it instead of giving out that people are trying to "morally shame" you.

My first words were "not my taste", so thanks for essentially making the rest of my point for me, I guess?

PKrockin · Jul 17, 2020

sleepless_swan said:
You mean the mysogonist game where you shoot clothes off women?

2B or not 2B said:
Shooting clothes off of women is misogynistic. Yes you could make a game with men instead but there will always be a shit ton more with women.
Shooting clothes off people in general is problematic. Regardless of the reasoning it's violent and seems to lack consent.

Have you actually seen footage of the game? I'm not sure it's fair to say you shoot clothes off women. What happens is the player shoots aliens, and once they've killed enough of them an article of clothing disappears. The player doesn't shoot the clothing directly. There's not much of a connection here between the player's actions and the girl losing clothes, it's a bit misleading to make it out like the player is "violently" tearing the clothes off of them or something.

Seems like the characters are pretty on board with the undressing in this game, if you really wanna bring that shit up.

2B or not 2B said:
The characters in this specific game seem underage or at least close to it, which is the case with a lot of these games.

They don't look it to me appearance wise. Often there are hints that the girls are high schoolers or something in these games, but not in this one. They also have professions that wouldn't indicate that they're underage. Anyone who can only jerk it to fifteen year olds buying this game is going to be pretty disappointed.

2B or not 2B said:
And yes there is a lot worse "porn" games out there with much worse content in them, but that doesn't mean the content in this one is good or excused.

What porn games are acceptable to you?

Funkallero · Jul 17, 2020

It's obviously problematic when you have your kids casually browsing the Eshop and stumbling on raunchy anime waifus, and there are a lot of them here.

They should find a way to hide some content for certain age categories.

FallenGrace · Jul 17, 2020

This thread is great for helping me put some users on ignore that come in with their dishonest "think of the violence" posts that only ever spring up to concerns about mysoginy and objectification.

FFS.

Pyro · Jul 17, 2020

Money, money, and uhhhhh oh yeah money.

Deleted member 21255 · Jul 17, 2020

PKrockin said:
Have you actually seen footage of the game? I'm not sure it's fair to say you shoot clothes off women. What happens is the player shoots aliens, and once they've killed enough of them an article of clothing disappears. The player doesn't shoot the clothing directly. There's not much of a connection here between the player's actions and the girl losing clothes, it's a bit misleading to make it out like the player is "violently" tearing the clothes off of them or something.

Seems like the characters are pretty on board with the undressing in this game, if you really wanna bring that shit up.

They don't look it to me appearance wise. Often there are hints that the girls are high schoolers or something in these games, but not in this one. They also have professions that wouldn't indicate that they're underage. Anyone who can only jerk it to fifteen year olds buying this game is going to be pretty disappointed.

What porn games are acceptable to you?

"blast away clothing that's been deeply infected by a deadly virus"
That's literally in the description of the game but thanks for mansplaining it to me.

ZeoVGM · Jul 17, 2020

capnjazz said:
Yeah, but Nintendo has stuff up like Xenoblade 2 with their ridiculous designs, and that game is published by Nintendo themselves. It's just weird that you're going after this specific game instead of many of the other games that would be considered much more problematic.

I've already commented on Xenoblade 2 in this thread and those "much more problematic" (they're not) games multiple times, along with mentioning it in the OP.

I can't tell if some of you guys are serious with your replies.

Deleted member 21220 · Jul 17, 2020

packy17 said:
My first words were "not my taste", so thanks for essentially making the rest of my point for me, I guess?

No your words were "but I'm also not under the misguided delusion that it's my responsibility to be the morality police for everyone in the world". While quoting someone complaining about the game but okay.

PKrockin said:
Have you actually seen footage of the game? I'm not sure it's fair to say you shoot clothes off women. What happens is the player shoots aliens, and once they've killed enough of them an article of clothing disappears. The player doesn't shoot the clothing directly. There's not much of a connection here between the player's actions and the girl losing clothes, it's a bit misleading to make it out like the player is "violently" tearing the clothes off of them or something.

Seems like the characters are pretty on board with the undressing in this game, if you really wanna bring that shit up.

Thanks for the in-depth description 😶 I've seen limited screenshots on the eShop. The description itself shows the misogyny here and was pointed out (in a quoted that I've quoted in my other posts) that the game considers the women targets. I never said violently tearing clothes off first of all, second I was referring to descriptions of the game, and which is also relevant for other games on the eShop (as this thread is about that game and games like it).

PKrockin said:
What porn games are acceptab

I don't care for them but as long as they aren't underage or "Don't get caught" kind of games.

I'm out of this thread because I'm sick of men telling me the game and others like it aren't misogynistic.

PKrockin · Jul 17, 2020

sleepless_swan said:
"blast away clothing that's been deeply infected by a deadly virus"
That's literally in the description of the game but thanks for mansplaining it to me.

The description could say that you throw exploding Will Smith heads into the Hudson Bay to tame Cthuhlu, but that doesn't make it what actually happens in the game.

Deleted member 21220 · Jul 17, 2020

PKrockin said:
The description could say that you throw exploding Will Smith heads into the Hudson Bay to tame Cthuhlu, but that doesn't make it what actually happens in the game.

Disingenuous.

Deleted member 21255 · Jul 17, 2020

PKrockin said:
The description could say that you throw exploding Will Smith heads into the Hudson Bay to tame Cthuhlu, but that doesn't make it what actually happens in the game.

Whether you thinks it's done directly or indirectly the ultimate point of the game is getting women out of their clothes.

I have to ask: why is Nintendo allowing games like Waifu Uncovered on the Switch eShop?

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