Cyberpunk isn't going to come to Gamepass day one. That would piss off everyone who preordered the game. What the hell are y'all smoking?
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I have this gut feeling that MS is going to announce a partnership with a major 3rd party publisher to bring their games to Game Pass day 1
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Of course they could it's going to be the back bone of their next generation.
They just got RDR2...
I just don't see it. I don't think they have the numbers to make that deal attractive to third party publishers. Obviously anything is possible and Microsoft basically prints money but at the same time, XBOX is still a division. It's be great if it happened for GP subscribers.
But given they're still giving away GP for less than a £1...
I just don't see it. I don't think they have the numbers to make that deal attractive to third party publishers. Obviously anything is possible and Microsoft basically prints money but at the same time, XBOX is still a division. It's be great if it happened for GP subscribers.
But given they're still giving away GP for less than a £1...
How much does Sony pay to keep a game.exclusive to their system? Microsoft could pay half that and still allow it on Sony and those devs would be fine.
Also I think people forget Phil Spencer is an EVP he only really answers to the CEO. Many decisions flow through him and access to money isn't really the issue if he's proven himself to be responsible with it as he has been. These studio acquisitions are his biggest test imo. Not getting game pass deals.
All titles? I don't see it just yet... although do not rule out the power of Gamepass.
But more day one third party titles, including some AAA ones? Absolutely I can see that happening.
But more day one third party titles, including some AAA ones? Absolutely I can see that happening.
Well in terms of just Xbox, i remember reading for like a decade that they were still not profitable. I'm sure they will spend just as much time investing in game pass as well. And companies like Microsoft love their reliable monthly subscriptions so they will do everything in their power to grow it to the levels of say a Netflix, which is over like 100m subscribers.
I've read somewhere that Microsoft has moved "Profit per sale" to a "Profit per user" for their internal tracking. So instead of Saying User#1464 bout Gears 5 for $60, and it cost us $40 to get it to them = $20 from User#1464.
They look at it like, User#5375 has been subscribed to Game pass ultimate for 12 months, He's paid $90 for this subscription after promotions. So far he's Played 25 games and redeemed every Gold game. We've spent $150 dollars to so far in their services. We expect to start making a profit on User#5375 in 5 months time.
Don't know if this is true, but it's a different way to look at it for sure.
Because some here think they care more about their gamers than shareholders.
Because they think the Xbox division has unlimited cash flow because "Microsoft" 😂 😂 😂
It definitely would be one of the most Microsoft moves ever since they have the money to throw at it, but I don't think it will happen.
I get that, but at some point they surely want to make money on this? Interesting points brought up by Squirrel09 about how they're potentially approaching this.
You would be looking at 10's of millions of dollars per title for any publisher of note to want that. For games from the likes of BGS that would rise to 100s of millions. At that point they might as well invest that money in buying a Sega or a Capcom.
I do think they'll make some day one deals for certain high profile games and certainly we'll be seeing many of the very biggest titles coming to game pass within a year of release.
I do think they'll make some day one deals for certain high profile games and certainly we'll be seeing many of the very biggest titles coming to game pass within a year of release.
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I think the distinction between this and buying devs outright is interesting to consider. This method would almost certainly be cheaper, since the games are still multiplatform, and can make profit on other consoles. But by doing this, MS is reframing the perspective from "console exclusive" which can be seen as an anti-consumer move, to a "play for free/cheap with game pass", which is heavily pro-consumer. It almost accomplishes the same goal as having exclusive titles, but costs less and makes you look more pro-consumer. At some point there's a tipping point of playing your games on Xbox because you have to (exclusives) to playing games on Xbox because the value is just too good to pass up (Game Pass). If they made a move like this with a strong enough publisher, the net effect of selling consoles and GP subs would be similar to if they just bought the developer outright.
Havent you heard about the infinite warchest? If these people have businesses they would be bankrupt in a year.
Ubisoft is probably the least likely option here, IMO. Don't they already have their own subscription service?
Yup, I would bet money that both of them are dying to gain a bigger foothold in the Xbox scene.
MS has the money yes.
Phil can decide what to do with Xbox budget, but not with the huge cash reserves (earned mostly by other divisions).
I totally agree OP. it's very possible we see a couple AAA games launch day one on the service. They definitely plan to go all in with GP next gen and its going to be a very interesting gen.
Annapurna is the first one that comes to mind for me. Outer Wilds already came day one to the service, so it's not that far out of the question.
For people not aware, the budget for Xbox has increased a lot in the last few years. Higher ups at MS are no longer ignoring Xbox and Phil has Satya's full backing, I can see it being possible with them striking deals like this with publishers; it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.
Ah youre right, almost all of their recent games launch on xbox/windows too. They would be great get too, I like a lot of their games.
How much money do you think they want to keep losing to push Game Pass? I can't see them making such a deal, as that would mean a big loss of sales for the developer/publisher.
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Yeah I could see Annapurna. The piub would beed to be big enough for the deal to drive subs, imo. Small indie titles would be great, but don't really command massive attention. Outer Wilds being such a breakout, I could see Annapurna being a good middle ground.
I could see that for a mid-tier game (as in not from a major publisher) like Dying Light 2 for instance (a game of that magnitude at least). But no, i don't think they will have a partnership with a publisher.
Another thing that could be possible is bringing yet another subscription to the platform, like EA Access on Xbox One. I'm thinking UPlay+ that was already announced for Stadia. No reason why Ubisoft wouldn't put UPlay+ on Xbox/xCloud too.
Another thing that could be possible is bringing yet another subscription to the platform, like EA Access on Xbox One. I'm thinking UPlay+ that was already announced for Stadia. No reason why Ubisoft wouldn't put UPlay+ on Xbox/xCloud too.
Yeah, but maybe that is not going according to the plan... which, let's face it, is not very unlikely.
Plus, UbiPlay is PC only.
EVPs don't get to spend whatever they want. Xbox is a P&L within Microsoft. Their budget is set by the CEO and CFO. Phil can't just go spending Microsoft's money however he wants.
Still. That's a massive company, and it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to get a deal in place. Not likely at all.
SEGA games releasing day and date going forward has been happening with Yakuza and I can continue to see that partnership expanding with actual new games releasing into the service
