That's kinda hard to believe, to be honest. Why did you play through an entire long ass game that you detest?
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I hate the Last of Us 2 because it goes too far (SPOILERS)
- Thread starter Mansa Mufasa
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I agree that its pretty graphic but it doesn't even compare to stuff other games do (Mortal Kombat) or popular TV shows like The Boys
tbh the casual murdering throughout the game is muuuch worse than biting fingers off, like, most of the times you die in the game its a much more graphic experience
tbh the casual murdering throughout the game is muuuch worse than biting fingers off, like, most of the times you die in the game its a much more graphic experience
The fingers thing is what got you? That was so quick I wasn't even sure it had happened in the moment. The shit around The Scars is a fuckzillion times worse imo. Shit Joel was 1000 times worse than the fingers, regardless of what you thought about his character.
It's an extremely violent game, but that repulsion to the violence is kind of the point. You have people doing terrible things to each other. You want the cycle of violence that the main characters are perpetuating to stop. I feel like that's a huge thrust. It's vile because it's supposed to be.
It's an extremely violent game, but that repulsion to the violence is kind of the point. You have people doing terrible things to each other. You want the cycle of violence that the main characters are perpetuating to stop. I feel like that's a huge thrust. It's vile because it's supposed to be.
It wasn't done as nuanced. Ellie is definitely the more villainous because her reason to do what she does isn't really as good or strong, specially once she leaves the ranch. Abby's reason is way stronger. She is avenging humanity's lost future in a way.
Ellie's violence and revenge thirst becomes cartoony at the end.
And let's not even go into the politics of the writers.
She didn't have a violence/revenge thirst. By the end, she was drowning in her ptsd and wanted to get better.
Joel was tortured and killed in front of Ellie, her mind was more twisted than Abby's.
Yeah.
The World of the Last of Us is just brutal and gruesome. Obviously some people are worse than others. But the template of morality is greatly shifted in this world.
No villain is really needed for this story. It's just two parties fighting to survive.
They have the same motivation. Abby wasn't avenging humanity or whatever, she was avenging her dad.
And after the ranch, I don't see how it's cartoony at all. It's not like she's going "Grr I hate Abby, I wanna kill her soo baad raawr!!"... At that point, she's deeply mentally scarred, she has this constant trauma and guilt haunting her. She thinks it's about killing Abby, but in reality it's more so about her own guilt for not forgiving Joel while she had the chance. Abby is just an outlet for that.
I mean, that's your opinion not every story will connect with people. I think it was executed in a fantastic manner.
Abby's didn't kill Joel for the sake of humanity. She did it for selfish vengence, same as Ellie's. but also Ellie's hatred is amplified by the fact she's upset at herself for not forgiving Joel sooner.
The thing that redeems Ellie is that she learns to forgive, that's something Abby couldn't do.
It's the most impactful videogame story I've experienced since the first game.
And I don't know why you're trying to bring politics into it lmfao
God this game is so good.
I cant grasp you OP-its a violent ass game that upset you for..
Being violent
I cant grasp you OP-its a violent ass game that upset you for..
Being violent
I agree with what you're saying, but Abby let Ellie live twice, even after Ellie killed ALL her friends, saved the kid and woman (sorry been a while and can't remember their names) and then left her world behind to find the fireflies. So in my eyes she, like Ellie grew weary of of the violence and hate and moved on too.
I enjoyed the first one but the reason why i didnt pick up the second was entirely because i kept getting the impression from previews and players that the game was significantly more graphic and violent than the first, and im not into torture porn
i have no valid opinion on the writing decisions because of course i havent played it but the impression that i get is that it is a miserable experience and I'm not looking for any more of that in 2020
i have no valid opinion on the writing decisions because of course i havent played it but the impression that i get is that it is a miserable experience and I'm not looking for any more of that in 2020
This is whats wrong with Last of Us 2.
Ellie's face was changed to better match Ashley Johnson's. Wouldn't make sense for the younger model to not reflect that too.
I can understand where you are coming from OP. I used to be sensitive to gore in games, TV/movies, and anime. Seeing it would bring me to tears, and I guess I've just grown out of that fear? It doesn't bother me anymore.
Unaware if TLOU2 has options to remove gore, it arguably could have a major impact to some of the games shocking moments, but I think those options in general are great to have.
Unaware if TLOU2 has options to remove gore, it arguably could have a major impact to some of the games shocking moments, but I think those options in general are great to have.
Ngl Ellie's model does like a little odd in that scene but it's fine
The violence bothered me less than I expected. But I still can't play the forest, theater, and beach scenes with the full sound on. And I skip the cutscene at the end of the theater.
The game is viscerally violent and affecting. Those who deny that are overlooking its obvious intent. Being like "lol you just can't handle it" is super weird, like apparently your lack of tolerance for gore is a weakness? I'd bet those who aren't bothered by the gore at all are actually the minority.
The violence bothered me less than I expected. But I still can't play the forest, theater, and beach scenes with the full sound on. And I skip the cutscene at the end of the theater.
The game is viscerally violent and affecting. Those who deny that are overlooking its obvious intent. Being like "lol you just can't handle it" is super weird, like apparently your lack of tolerance for gore is a weakness? I'd bet those who aren't bothered by the gore at all are actually the minority.
This is whats wrong with Last of Us 2.
Award for amazing immediate thread derail haha
Abby is further along in her redemption arc than Ellie atm.
(Although, she did still kill Jessie and you could argue that Abby only let Ellie and Dina live at the end because Lev told her to stop)
The point is it doesn't matter. Everybody thinks their actions are just. Everybody thinks they're the lesser of two evils.
In an alternate world, Ellie and Abby would be best friends. That's the sad reality of it.
I don't know if I've become too desensitised to violence in games or what, but personally I thought the discussion about how "brutal" TLOU2 were overplayed. Yeah there were a couple of messed up scenes here and there, but I didn't feel it was violence porn at any point
My thought is Ellie's looks change one because shes older, but two because shes permanently changed by this dreary, immoral apocalyptic world. TLOU1 shes young enough to think she can still be saved, be redeemed, innocence preserved
TLOU2 her appearance is stretched out, thinner. Shes world weary now. And the idea behind the violence being too much is because for the characters of that world...its too much. Likely purposely more gruesome.
You don't see gore like this in Uncharted 4, not because they couldn't achieve it. TLOU is supposed to be brutal and endless. Its not always the most pleasant game to play, its not a breeze
And though the gameplay is smooth and varied, its almost disturbing people w speed runs on youtube and highlight reels of kills. Think thats just a case of not the audience ND wanted to reach
TLOU2 her appearance is stretched out, thinner. Shes world weary now. And the idea behind the violence being too much is because for the characters of that world...its too much. Likely purposely more gruesome.
You don't see gore like this in Uncharted 4, not because they couldn't achieve it. TLOU is supposed to be brutal and endless. Its not always the most pleasant game to play, its not a breeze
And though the gameplay is smooth and varied, its almost disturbing people w speed runs on youtube and highlight reels of kills. Think thats just a case of not the audience ND wanted to reach
the last of us part 2 is a game that confuses deliberately basking in violence & cruelty with 'saying something meaningful'...
Neither are really villains.
Abby seems like more of a bad person at the start though.
She's OK with people being caged and tortured, and expresses a desire to have a turn at them herself.
She tortures and kills Joel in front of Ellie right after Joel saved her life.
She also knew the original incident with Joel involved saving Ellie, who her dad was going to kill, and still went through with it.
People like to bring up that she "let Ellie go" twice.
But you don't get credit for mercy when you're the instigator of the violence.
Killing someone who just saved you and offered you supplies, and then "sparing" his friends isn't exactly mercy.
The second time she only spared Ellie and Dina because Lev intervened.
Abby seems like more of a bad person at the start though.
She's OK with people being caged and tortured, and expresses a desire to have a turn at them herself.
She tortures and kills Joel in front of Ellie right after Joel saved her life.
She also knew the original incident with Joel involved saving Ellie, who her dad was going to kill, and still went through with it.
People like to bring up that she "let Ellie go" twice.
But you don't get credit for mercy when you're the instigator of the violence.
Killing someone who just saved you and offered you supplies, and then "sparing" his friends isn't exactly mercy.
The second time she only spared Ellie and Dina because Lev intervened.
I don't think that's a fair characterisation. "everything he's directing" amounts to TLOU, TLOU 2 and U4. And due to the concept, TLOU is going to be a dark game.
Nah, the graphic violence was perfect. Fits the mood of the game and the atmosphere of the world.
That's the one where the guy crashed into a vat of acid or something? That still haunts me and I haven't seen that in decades. lol
Reading through this thread its still surprising how much the game and its themes fly over peoples heads. Ellie's survivor guilt, dealing with her trauma, and her lack of reconciliation with Joel before his death are major themes that seems to rarely be brought up.
We are playing Ellie's slow descent into becoming a monster or "villian" but by the end but the mercy she shows pulls her away from that. Poor baby girl.
Underrated post.
lmao
We are playing Ellie's slow descent into becoming a monster or "villian" but by the end but the mercy she shows pulls her away from that. Poor baby girl.
Underrated post.
lmao
I remember being disturbed by the E3 showing of TLOU1 when everyone cheered when Joel shot that guy with an shotgun. I was still intrigued with the game and purchased it. I had to stop playing once I got to Pittsburg due to the violence. These games aren't my cup of tea and I can see OP point.
lol glad I wasn't the only one.
OP you might have just been sick or somethin'
Have you never watched a violent movie or TV show? Some violence is justified and it is in this game, it's a tale of vengeance it was marketed this way and ND never tried to dress it up. All the main characters in the game did what they did for love, right or wrong it was justified in their minds. You are looking at it as black and white but it's not as simple as that.
lol like that first post of this thread...People's images of Ellie and Joel in their heads can be jaded, as fans just kind of see what they want to see (understandably human for things we care about i guess).
After the events of Left Behind, Ellie is hardly innocent by the start of TLOU. Her appearance in TLOU2 from beginning to end is something else. She's angsty and teeny and by the end in Santa Barbara her body is just a broken shell of herself.
Now that i'm thinking about it, its an interesting contrast to Abby's body transformation during her quest for revenge. Ellies mind/body are so driven by revenge shes deteriorated and unhealthy to the other end of that spectrum.
My problem with the over the top violence is the game does nothing meaningful with it so its really hard for me to stomach when its so realistic. "Violence and revenge is bad" is not a great message when the game forces it upon you only until the story just decides ok thats enough we made our point the end. What the TLoU2 tried to accomplish with its narrative really requires gameplay choices to feel meaningful. It just made me want to replay Spec Ops The Line.
If you're just there for third person pretty zombie game, sure its cool I guess. But it felt as deep as a kiddie pool filled with intestines to me so it was really hard to stomach the violence.
If you're just there for third person pretty zombie game, sure its cool I guess. But it felt as deep as a kiddie pool filled with intestines to me so it was really hard to stomach the violence.
lol That wasn't really the message of the game. Revenge was kind of the plot, but it was not the game's story.
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The thought of someone spontaneously vomiting on the couch is too funny an image for me, OP. I'm reminded of when Baby Groot throws up in GOTG2.
But that's how the marketing of the game was. Everything they showed before the release was filled with violence. I gotta say the marketing threw me more off than the gsme itself. Everybody knew what they were getting into buying this game imo.
Abby spent years clamoring for blood.
She had a stable life(as stable as can be) with owen for four years but she rejected that life to chase a shadow.
She also participated in the murder of scars despite not caring for the WLF cause.
She murdered and tortured a stranger who saved her from death. When a young woman enteted the room and begged her to stop, she didn't hesitate for a moment.
This is a characterization of a twisted psychopathic mind.
Druckmann didn't balance this character well enough. He should have given her some of Owen's confusion and hesitation.
Simply paying back lev and yara is not enough to pull her from the abyss , especially when they saved her first.
The gore in this game was tame and no worse than the original. The emotional wreckage attached to the potentially gory images was hardcore though, and your mind makes things much more vivid.
There was much worse gore in M rated movies from the 80's but it was played for laughs or cool factor.
There was much worse gore in M rated movies from the 80's but it was played for laughs or cool factor.
This is where I stand.
I think its deeply problematic to paint Abby as a good or even acceptable person morally.
Infact, her being able to relate to Lev and Yara comes across as entirely inconsistent with who she was for the past 4-5 years.
Abby should have been more like owen for this story to work.
Also sticking to her being the villain would've been more acceptable to me.
I agree, but they didn't stick the landing, imo. She's not a grey character, she's a Hollywood villain that does a 180 and turns into a Hollywood hero. It felt forced and a bit manipulative. Still love the game though.
So uh.. Two fingers getting bitten off in a very quick way is too far but trying to tear off the mouth of a guy before putting an arrow in his eye was okay ?
What ?
What ?
in TLOU1, Joel nonchalantly admits to being a bandit who murdered and robbed innocent people. Apparently, the things he and Tommy did were so bad that Tommy eventually ended his relationship with Joel and had nightmares about the things they did.
Abby is basically Joel
