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I forgot DmC existed ever since DMC 5 came out. What was the consensus for DmC?
- Thread starter hwarang
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I'm probably crazy but as a DMC outsider I had far more fun with DmC than DMC5. The latter just seemed to be corridor/arena/corridor/arena etc and then unsuccessfully fight the same Demon over and over with a different character.
Gameplay wise, its servicable. Its no where near as good as normal DMC , but its like an ok character action game. The level design on a visual level very neat , very colorful something that DMC often isn't and i actually prefer the use of very vibrant colors in DmC.
The story, character's the actual navigation of said levels. And the pace of the game itself, garbage. And some how comes off far more sexist than the normal series. Which is...impressive.
The story, character's the actual navigation of said levels. And the pace of the game itself, garbage. And some how comes off far more sexist than the normal series. Which is...impressive.
I would argue that you are doing it wrong.
The story and character are why I think a lot of people play these games. If the characters weren't endearing and you weren't into thier bullshit. People wouldn't engage with them. The characters and what they are doing tend to be a selling point. Its why I don't think the DmC game did as well as the others. The characters were garbage
Sees DMC5 looking realistic as hell and everyone is fine
Maybe the characterization and design isn't good.
Seems like a lot of people hate DmC for being a "reboot" of the Devil May Cry series when (to my understanding) it was meant to be it's own thing.
I would've loved two continuous takes on the franchise. Oh well.
I would've loved two continuous takes on the franchise. Oh well.
It was extremely cringey. I also disliked how they rewrote Dante's origin and wrote angels into the DMC mythos when a common theme throughout the series has been that the closest things the world has to angels are just more demons (Mundus, the Order of the Sword's experiments, Fortuna's view of Sparda).
The gameplay was fine, but it sits comfortably below the rest of the series (minus DMC2).
Ironically, this is probably why DmC failed. They tried too hard to punch above their weight in the storytelling department, and ended up neglecting the things that the series had done so well: keeping the story simple, making fun and memorable characters, and sprinkling in great moments. I'll never forget when the writers of DmC described their own game as "Shakespearian."
It's no Red Dead Redemption or The Last of Us, and it has its share of flaws (it's certainly not perfect), but to disregard the thematic elements of this series is just ignorant.
The gameplay was fine, but it sits comfortably below the rest of the series (minus DMC2).
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I feel like there's this very common mindset that if a story doesn't have some clever social commentary, or it doesn't have a tormented main character, or if the antagonist isn't just as relatable as the protagonist, that it's not a good story. But DMC (particularly 3) has so much great stuff, like the great characters you mentioned, or Dante and Vergil's dynamic (and by extension, Dante's growth), the relationship between Mary and Arkham and how that ultimately ends... the list goes on. Sure, it's by no means ground-breaking, but it's solid.
Ironically, this is probably why DmC failed. They tried too hard to punch above their weight in the storytelling department, and ended up neglecting the things that the series had done so well: keeping the story simple, making fun and memorable characters, and sprinkling in great moments. I'll never forget when the writers of DmC described their own game as "Shakespearian."
It's no Red Dead Redemption or The Last of Us, and it has its share of flaws (it's certainly not perfect), but to disregard the thematic elements of this series is just ignorant.
"Actually has art"
Way to piss on hundreds of developers who spent years on this
It absolutely WAS meant to replace DMC. Unless you think they'd fund two completely separate continuities when they won't even do that for Resident Evil.
It's a good game that featured nothing that made me a fan of the DMC series. The humour wasn't the same, the gameplay wasn't the same, and the characters weren't the same. It literally just didn't have the things that made me a fan of the series to start with so I didn't like it. But it did do what it tried to very well.
Combat is surprisingly good. Graphics were good as well for it's time. Everything else is trash-tier. Story, characters, dialogue, level-design, all these shitty grapple-hook-sections, the boss fights ... Skip and play 3,4 and 5 instead.
People don't think about the amount of video design passes, animation passes the lore the visuals of the world ect play into characterizing the world and its characters. That they are in many ways still experiencing it and engaging with it without it being " super serious" even with characters that don't talk in some cases.
Amazing art, amazing music (Noisia!), excellent gameplay (though not QUITE up to the level of the mainline DMC games, still well above most others)
It's DIFFERENT from the other games as far as tone and characterization go, but the negative reputation some fans have given it is way overblown if you ask me
If it had released as it's own product without the DMC name attached to it, I think it would be held up there as one of the best character action games imo
It's DIFFERENT from the other games as far as tone and characterization go, but the negative reputation some fans have given it is way overblown if you ask me
If it had released as it's own product without the DMC name attached to it, I think it would be held up there as one of the best character action games imo
I thought it was considerably better than DMC4 and 5. I haven't played 1-3 since the PS2 days so no comment on those.
I understand the Capcom developed games have a bit more depth so they might be better for people who want to learn everything and absolutely rinse the games. I just play through these things once or twice though and DmC was on another level. I didn't even make it through DMC5, for me it's well presented but a bad, boring game.
I played DmC on PC at 60fps though. I don't think it'd be very enjoyable at 30fps. I'm also not particularly invested in the story or characters of the Capcom DMC games.
A lot of people seemed to be upset with the change of visual/story direction and choice of external developer. I remember conspiracy theories about the guy in charge at Ninja Theory making Dante look like him etc.. I know fans deny it but I'm sure a lot of people were already set on hating it before playing it.
I understand the Capcom developed games have a bit more depth so they might be better for people who want to learn everything and absolutely rinse the games. I just play through these things once or twice though and DmC was on another level. I didn't even make it through DMC5, for me it's well presented but a bad, boring game.
I played DmC on PC at 60fps though. I don't think it'd be very enjoyable at 30fps. I'm also not particularly invested in the story or characters of the Capcom DMC games.
A lot of people seemed to be upset with the change of visual/story direction and choice of external developer. I remember conspiracy theories about the guy in charge at Ninja Theory making Dante look like him etc.. I know fans deny it but I'm sure a lot of people were already set on hating it before playing it.
I mean, the new story is a mess, the characters are horribly written, virtually none of the metaphors they try so hard to hit you over the head with actually work in practice...
It's just a bad take on the DMC series, conceptually. DMC isn't exactly deep or anything, and it's generally a very dumb franchise, but at least it's a fun kind of dumb, compared to Ninja Theory's ham-fisted attempt at social commentary.
I had a lot of fun with DmC, some fun with DMC4 and very little fun with DMC5. That's my only metric, fun. As you said, they're all very dumb. I guess I have a little more tolerance for DmCs particular brand of hollywood dumb.
Look at all that gray."Actually has art"
Way to piss on hundreds of developers who spent years on this
As if half this thread isn't people pissing on Ninja Theory's developers who spent years on DmC.
"Actually has art"
Way to piss on hundreds of developers who spent years on this
Honestly, if you remove tendrils and character models, this just looks like CoD map previews
"If you remove the parts that look good, it looks bad"
I mean, sure?
Guess I need to play more CoD
the franchise even makes fun of those who take it seriously, constantly
DMC and DmC fans are a crying shame ololol
Except this thread is full of praise for the combat, art direction, level design, etc etc.
No offence, but apparently you did forget bc the person who said that was Lilith's voice actress, lol.
Except this thread is full of praise for the combat, art direction, level design, etc etc.
No offence, but apparently you did forget bc the person who said that was Lilith's voice actress, lol.
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Sure, if you just completely ignore the same people in every DmC thread who are doing literally the exact opposite of that.
"If you remove the parts that look good, it looks bad"
I mean, sure?
Guess I need to play more CoD
Ah yeah, I forgot to include these examples in the post I was specifically commenting on. Silly me?
They certainly did their best to make sure that DmC-Dante wouldn't be mistaken for a gay cowboy.
DmC was always intended as a reboot. It was never intended to be its own thing or an alt universe. The reboot terminology was in use from day 1. Itsuno restated that point a few years ago. That had DmC sold better, it might've replaced the old series. Talk about it being an alternate universe came about later during the PR cycle, and has since DmC came out taken form of its own as a sort of revisionism.
Sure, they are. And there are also tons of people praising it. As many, if not more. There's no need to ignore the former to plainly see that. In fact, many of the critical posts contain praise as well. This is probably one of the more positive and more civil DmC threads on the forum so far.
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Half the game takes place in a demon tree. It's not specific examples when half the game looks like that. The other half looks like this:
It's fine not to like it but boiling it down to "CoD with tendrils" is dumb.
I suppose you're right, haha. Still, the line was legendary given the context.
Right on. This is honestly the first I'm hearing of it being a reboot, because, like you said, I always read it was an alternate universe type thing.
Half the game takes place in a demon tree. It's not specific examples when half the game looks like that. The other half looks like this:
It's fine not to like it but boiling it down to "CoD with tendrils" is dumb.
These pictures reminded me that I loved the environments in the first part of DMC5; was not as big a fan of the later demon tree levels (although they didn't ruin the game for me like it did for others).
As for DmC, I actually didn't like the saturated colors of DmC all that much. The bosses were abysmal...well all of the characters were abysmal really. And combat lacked that special sauce that the mainline games had. It was an okay game, but a huge step down. I'm glad it didn't kill the series and that DMC5 was allowed to happen, and that Ninja Theory was able to move on and make something more of their own speed (Hellblade, although I wasn't a big fan of that either lol).
The characters and overall tone are so aggressively stupid, loud, and obnoxious that they're actually weirdly enjoyable as hilarious parodies of themselves, and I thought the game itself was pretty fun to boot. I'd recommend it if you're in for a wildly immature rollercoaster ride through some of the most extreme edgelord nonsense you've ever seen. This scene is a pretty good indicator of what you're in for with DmC, at least in terms of tone and content:
I still don't get the "Dante is" side. Are the sociopath from Chronicle and whoever the kid in the hoodie is supposed to be cool?
The Chronicle image is supposed to say "This is a superhero story more grounded and real than the flashy and flamboyant Batman & Robin". Never mind they also try to say DmC is cool like Tyler Durden and that DMC Dante is a gay cowboy...for some reason?
This is aggressively dumb
Batman and Robin were way better than Chronicle
It was from art director Alessandro Taini's GDC talk about the art direction. It was part of the explanation of how they approached it stylistically.
The Art Direction of DmC Devil May Cry
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They stopped talking about it partway through the PR cycle because of the backlash. With it being 7 years since release and DmC itself having sort of faded from the discussion, it's the sort of thing that's been forgotten.
A lot of people assume color = good art direction and dark/muted colors = bad art direction.
The only thing a game needs to be is interesting to look at.
The only thing a game needs to be is interesting to look at.
DmC came out in 2013 so not quite.
Anyway I liked it about the same as DMC5. The hate it received was embarrassing and overblown.