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I don't want forced/default PC crossplay in my games devs. Please stop it.
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I'm sure I saw a thread many months ago that console players were experiencing more in terms of hackers etc when playing with open systems like PC. Was there any truth in the end from this?
For some games it should be fine but opt in works better in others. For example games that keep different balancing for guns, not buffing aim assist, and server browser based.
You can have both. Enjoy competitively games on a very even field comfy as possible. With pc console crossplay you kinda lose it.
What I think is funny in this discussion that console first peeps dont like playing with pc peeps and it's mostly pc only peeps who see the benefits. Who would have thought.
If opt out or forced is the way going forward then I think alot of ppl will stop online games altogether. And it's really funny that alot of ppl don't crasp that. As long as they get a bigger base.m they don't care If the most ppl suffer because of it.
^ I agree wholeheartedly. The solution you presented where it tries to match to your platform/input as a priority is a perfect solution to this issue and one that likely would not be difficult to implement in all games.
I absolutely agree with the OP, I hate it too.
Hacker country can stay in their own bubble please.
Being able to play with friends on PC and then having to join a mixed matchmaking, sure.
Being able to optionally activate a mixed matchmaking sure.
But forced/must be activated? GTFO with that shit.
Hacker country can stay in their own bubble please.
Being able to play with friends on PC and then having to join a mixed matchmaking, sure.
Being able to optionally activate a mixed matchmaking sure.
But forced/must be activated? GTFO with that shit.
You don't understand what you are talking about in regards to fighting games. There is no advantage to using an arcade stick over a controller. Absolutely no difference and isn't comparable in anyway to KB&M to controller in shooters.
Why do you think people buy consoles?
The fact the boost in performance when using mk+b is bigger should be even more reason for players to use it. If there's already custom controllers with an advantage even without mk+b, balance in competitive console games never mattered, for starters?
I mean, if we're talking about a competitive game, and one crowd uses the superior controlling method to have an advantage, the solution is to segregate them instead of offering the superior control to the another crowd?
I think it's weird mainly because in consoles you have gamers that want to be hardcore enough to play competitively, but are just too casual to actually care for performance or playing with the "big players".
It's not just a bigger base, any competitive scenario is better with a base that just plays the game better. It's okay if you want to play online just for fun, i don't play competitively myself. But it's bizarre how someone would take a competition so seriously, playing ranked mode and stuff, but holy hell actually learning to play with the method that offers the better performance.
I don't think this is a fair point. Lets look at snooker and golf. Both games where the point is, basically to put the ball in the hole. Are snooker players too casual for using a wooden stick over the mighty golf overlords that use their metal clubs?
You shouldn't have to invest in a 3rd party controller to compete in a game. Paddles and elite controllers do not offer a significant advantage, they are more comfortable but do not prohibitively outclass a normal controller.
Snooker and Golf aren't even remotely the same game. The better analogy would be playing football with a ball versus playing with a tin can.
Tbh i don't understand where the console crowd separates the people that plays competitively versus people playing just for fun. But i think it's fairly normal to anyone engaged in any competition to invest in more than the entry level stuff. It's definitely not just having a keyboard and a mouse on pc, atleast.
I'd even say it's an advantage in Destiny.
Not CoD though, Warzone is way more Snipez now (I'm on PS5).
You should be able to choose to matchmake just with console players. Right now if you opt out of cross play you can't play with console players from the other platform right? It's bullshit.
The choice should always be playing only with console users and allowing PC players. There is no reason anymore to separate PS and Xbox players.
The choice should always be playing only with console users and allowing PC players. There is no reason anymore to separate PS and Xbox players.
So is everyone who play competitive on pc have 100 Bucks keyboards and 100 Bucks mice because they are better for competitive play?
Apex Legends already found the solution. Crossplay is only across consoles but if you want to play with your PC friend, you can play in a PC lobby. I'm sure there's some outlier, but from what I've seen the entire community is happy with it.
Wait? When I jump on to Fortnite now I'm in a lobby with PC players? Fuck that for a game of tennis.
Always with giving people as many options as possible, but the default should always be the most inclusive set of options. Have no experience with this in FPS games, but I despise Wifi in fighting games, yet still think Wifi users shouldn't be filtered out by default, that would just hurt the overall player base.
I stay away from all games that force PC play on Switch/PS5. Give me an option to opt-out because im not playing against someone who has A. A clear advantage and B. Potential aimbot/wallhackers.
Thankfully on xbox you can disable all cross system play in xbox's internal settings
Thankfully on xbox you can disable all cross system play in xbox's internal settings
Not to support it, I certainly hope. That post is gigantically embarrassing.
Wait. So most ppl just dont know that they get wrecked by pc gamers. So the whole talking of ppl accept it is bullshit afterall.
Nah, my friends are spread out acros all ecosystems, literally. Crossplay is the future, opt-out is enough for those who don't want it. It must become more widespread if anything. I love it.
Playing with friends and opt in works too you know and op wants you to play with your friends on any given platform.
Good thing Fortnite's aim assist is incredibly strong and controller players dominate ranked.
This is also not a PC exclusive thing what lmao. People building fucking mansions in seconds happens with controller players and pc players and has been a thing since the game came out.
Again, fighting games aren't comparable and have already solved the issue you bring up. Tekken 7 and Dead or Alive 6 will let you know before every match if it's a wi fi player. If you don't want to fight them you can just press no, but if you do press yes. It's simultaneously opt in and opt out. The equivalent solution would be when you boot up a shooter, first thing it should ask you is do you want to play with PC players. Select yes or no right there.
It's not just the input, but the framerate and adjustable settings like FoV.
Just ask yourself, why are controller streamers playing on PC over console?
Playing above 60 is a big advantage. Lock them to 60 or console settings in those lobbies and see if they complain.
Competition should be fair.
Just ask yourself, why are controller streamers playing on PC over console?
Playing above 60 is a big advantage. Lock them to 60 or console settings in those lobbies and see if they complain.
Competition should be fair.
I only play once a fortnight (pun intended).
I must say in recent months playing in random teams, I'd notice the builds you'd see around the map would be crazy but I just thought people had got better.
As a PC player who mostly enjoys gaming on a controller, I'm glad Halo MCC allow me to join input based lobbies without them being a barren wasteland.
I think you're vastly overestimating the kind of hardware the average PC player has. Besides, going by your reasoning there shouldn't be any crossplay between the Switch and PS5/XSX, or between different console generations. Some games might give a significant advantage to players on a Series X compared to a Series S...
Basically, I agree with the below poster for the sake of inclusivity:
Give me a huge player base and a prominent option to opt-out and I'm happy.
That being said, I haven't played sweaty competitive games in many years. Halo Infinite might change this, and I might have to revise my stance haha. But from my experience controller Halo players are more than capable to compete against M+KB.
Opt in has the potential to dramatically reduce the available player pool for a certain group in a way that opting out doesn't.
If you have to opt-in, you're limited to people who have also opted-in while for opting out, you're not limited to people who have also opted out as you can still play with people on the same platform if there aren't also other platform players in an instance.
I think the most inclusive option should be default so opt-out all the way.
SBMM means that getting matched against M+KB users isn't really that big a deal.
I play Cold War on PS5 and I don't mind getting matched against PC players because they're of my skill level, so they're not going to be 360 headshot aiming gods. It's maybe more of an issue if you're a very highly skilled console player and you're getting matched against highly skilled PC players, but at that point the pool of console players at your skill level would be so small anyway that you're better off expanding your playerbase and getting matches with PC players.
I play Cold War on PS5 and I don't mind getting matched against PC players because they're of my skill level, so they're not going to be 360 headshot aiming gods. It's maybe more of an issue if you're a very highly skilled console player and you're getting matched against highly skilled PC players, but at that point the pool of console players at your skill level would be so small anyway that you're better off expanding your playerbase and getting matches with PC players.
I feel bad for switch players in cross lobbies. It's not fair for them. Try playing fortnite on ps4 with a switch friend. You can clearly tell who is playing on switch. It's easy pickings.
You're also vastly underestimating the advantage PC players have.
When you are a little decent at these games you will be matched up with better players. All you can ask for is an even playing field.
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This right here is the ideal solution.
On PC, you can do much more than spoof inputs. Not to mention, you actually need to buy those attachments for spoofing to work on consoles, so there is at least some barrier to entry. Also, it currently doesn't work on the new consoles.
Any game that is free to play should be opt in. These games like Fortnite, warzone and destiny pvp are littered with cheaters in their pvp modes because of the PC player base. The moment Destiny went F2P for crucible it became a cheaters paradise.
When cheaters, can just make a new account for free once their accounts get banned it just makes it so easy to ruin the experience for most people.
Cross play at heart is a great idea, but like anything in life gets ruined by human greed.
When cheaters, can just make a new account for free once their accounts get banned it just makes it so easy to ruin the experience for most people.
Cross play at heart is a great idea, but like anything in life gets ruined by human greed.
It's not that simple as a binary cheapest gear ever versus $100 kb+m.
Console players (specially on era) always view pc gaming on the super high end performance side of things, but the truth is that a whole lot of people playing stuff like CS or League of Legends do it on work laptops that sometimes doesn't even safely reaches 60fps on these games, and they will probably play with their terrible kb+m (Which is my case). Now, these games have a really serious competitive community, and we know that people with lower end pcs/keyboard/mouses will be at an obvious disadvantage.
You won't see (Atleast not taken seriously) people whining how unfair these games are for people that only reach 40fps against the top player with 120fps+. At some point it's normal that you should invest in decent gear if you want to progress in the ranks of a competitive game. If devs used the console gamer mentality, they would just force 30fps in the game and all the players would have the "same" chance. This is silly because we're talking about balancing while pc competitive games are known for taking actual competition a lot more seriously, but at the same time doing something like this on pc would be ridiculous.
What you people want to say here is that console competitive gaming is better using the worse tools with the mediocre performance just to not play with the players with better tools and performance. And this makes zero sense in any place that tries to be seriously called competitive.
Thats not true for some games I know. Opt-out for dead by day Light means you can only play with other ppl who dont want to play against pc players. Follwed by the logic that most ppl ignore settings means crossplay makes your mp games worthless while opting out. But pc only ppl are always the most vocal so as long as they get their will nothing will change.
People overlook Sony for their lack of proper security on their hardware and has already been jailbroken for years on the Ps4 and it's only a matter of time when it's on the latest FW on the Ps4.
And people always bringing up mouse and keyboard when there's the Cronus Cheat device that gives anti recoil, rapid fire, pseudo wall hack and aim lock and remains undetected on the Xbox and Playstation.
And I would sit waiting for 30 minutes because I'm in the top .50%.
And people always bringing up mouse and keyboard when there's the Cronus Cheat device that gives anti recoil, rapid fire, pseudo wall hack and aim lock and remains undetected on the Xbox and Playstation.
Opt-out should be the default, with player hardware settings being a prominent toggle in the matchmaking filters when people are searching for games. You go looking for a ranked match in SF5, this is the first thing you see.
Plain and simple.
And I would sit waiting for 30 minutes because I'm in the top .50%.
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