I mean I think it depends on the game. If you play a lot of counterstrike or warzone, honestly I would argue you must be just ignoring a lot of them.
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I don't want forced/default PC crossplay in my games devs. Please stop it.
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So that's the reason why separate playlists by input method are required .. cause they're not the same!
Sometimes one has big advantages over the other.
Why not just plug a m/kb into your console? That is what I do with my Xbox. (I dont have a ps5 so maybe it can't do that?). Are there crossplay games that don't support m/kb on console?
This only seems to be a problem with pvp games. I dont really do those, but I VERY much enjoy the large amount of co op cross play games I play with my friends. Id never want to see this feature go.
But also I feel like in popular pvp titles, the majority of players are just fodder for those who are more skilled, and are defeated pretty regularly by other gamepad players anyway. Does it make that much of a difference if some of those defeats were and the hands of m/kb users?
This only seems to be a problem with pvp games. I dont really do those, but I VERY much enjoy the large amount of co op cross play games I play with my friends. Id never want to see this feature go.
But also I feel like in popular pvp titles, the majority of players are just fodder for those who are more skilled, and are defeated pretty regularly by other gamepad players anyway. Does it make that much of a difference if some of those defeats were and the hands of m/kb users?
overwatch, apex, titanfall 2 mainly
also random: if I include the tf2 bots I've encountered it's a lot more obvious cheaters but they get votekicked really fast
As someone that occasionally plays fps games online on pc with a controller, OP suggestion would basically destroy my ability to play those games so I obviously strongly disagree.
I do agree games should not match controller and mouse and keyboard players if it's avoidable. If you do cross play, input based matchmaking should be there (except for coop obviously).
I do agree games should not match controller and mouse and keyboard players if it's avoidable. If you do cross play, input based matchmaking should be there (except for coop obviously).
I agree with OP for competitive shooters. Co-op and fighting games, etc... thats fine. But you're basically letting players riding Kawasaki Ninjas enter the Tour de France in games like Battlefield or Destiny's Crucible. Some kind of solution is needed, even if its just strict matchmaking
Except an aimbot and wallhack on PC can be eventually detected and banned while controller mods are undetectable and work on top of aim assist.
There are even M/KB adapters for console that give you m/kb level of aim ON TOP of aim assist.
None of these platforms are some cheat free zone where it's fair play all the time.
OP can always use a keyboard and mouse on console if they like. But they're giving up aim assist if they do that.
Not if they use Cronusmax, XIM, etc. See video above. These adapters have destroyed the idea that console multiplayer is some cheat free paradise.
I dunno. In the end I dont want to lose the ability to play with my friends and I dont want to lose the advantage of cross play having a big userbase. Whatever they have to do to fix that I am fine with.
Nah. I don't care about you console players having a harder time. I'd rather be able to find games and play the PC game I got after a month thanks.
Seems super selfish you'd rather have a whole systems multiplayer be dead than suffer the fact someone might be playing a fighting game on better hardware than you and have a more consistent frame rate or connection.
Seems super selfish you'd rather have a whole systems multiplayer be dead than suffer the fact someone might be playing a fighting game on better hardware than you and have a more consistent frame rate or connection.
there's misinformation here; the bullet magnetism is the same amount for both controller and mkb. reach, H2A, and H4 have the strongest amount of aim stickiness for controllers. reach has bloom though, so everyone is equally bad.
Lol. OP.... have you ever played COD on PC without crossplay? It legit takes longer to find matches and that can make players leave COD.
Crossplay is fine in a casual gamemodes like Warzone and multiplayer. If they want a an actual comp mode, then yes... disabling crossplay can be a good idea.
There's hackers, pros, good and bad PC player. Not every PC player is a hacker or a god.. most wanna play for fun.
There's cheaters, pros, good and bad console players. Yes, console players can cheat by modding their controllers and there's even speculation that COD yuotubers/steamers are doing it too.
Crossplay is fine in a casual gamemodes like Warzone and multiplayer. If they want a an actual comp mode, then yes... disabling crossplay can be a good idea.
There's hackers, pros, good and bad PC player. Not every PC player is a hacker or a god.. most wanna play for fun.
There's cheaters, pros, good and bad console players. Yes, console players can cheat by modding their controllers and there's even speculation that COD yuotubers/steamers are doing it too.
Because the vast majority of players aren't going to change that option, so the default sets how the player base is going to be for the life of the game.
I'd rather have crossplay be the default, with an option to opt out if you don't want it. I want player bases to be as big as possible. It'd be nice if there was some way to retroactively go back and make crossplay work for older games too, without devs having to go back and manually add support.
I'm for it being on by default with a visible indicator that it is on . Warzone tells you on the PS5 that it is on when you first turn on the game but it isn't very visible though
The first and the second paragraph is such a double standard. Fuck consoles players as long as you have fun.
Maybe they should Balance their games that if you log in through a pc client you have lower stats/dmg than someone on a console client.
Multiplayer communities are like ice. The more you fragment it the faster it melts/dissappears.
Would definitely prefer opt-in over opt-out, 99% of players don't give a fuck and just stay on default, which makes opting out have much longer Matchmaking. It's only really a big problem if you have a bad cheater problem like Warzone and Destiny do, but even without that I'd still prefer opt-in than out, especially in high skill games like Fortnite.
I thought gyro aiming was almost as good as m&k? As well if the game has skill based matchmaking after a day or two either you wont be matched with pc gamers or they are so bad you won't know they are.
But controller mods can also be used on PC in the same manner, and aimbot / wallhack can be used on top. The latter two aren't all that easy to detect if used sparingly (which is what most cheaters do). I don't deny that there are hacks on consoles, but I'd still prefer to exclude the more exploitable platform. Either way, I don't mind crossplay being opt-out.
Also, I believe the PS5/Series X currently can't run anti-recoil scripts and spoof kb/mouse input as a controller. I hope it stays that way.
Hardly any multiplayer shooter supports it on Playstation, and Xbox controllers don't have the feature. The day both controllers support it, 3rd party devs might start taking gyro aiming seriously.
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Gyro is barely ever an option, no one is really putting in the effort to get comfortable with it on PlayStation when it's almost never an option in the big shooters.
Give console players the options to turn it off. It's really that easy. I want to play with my friends.
I really don't enjoy the thought that I died because the other person had a more accurate control method so I prefer without crossplay. I just stop playing a game if it feels like there's m&kB players everywhere.
Seems to me the middle ground should be a choice that pops up the first time you play online - opt in or opt out
Seems to me the middle ground should be a choice that pops up the first time you play online - opt in or opt out
Absolutely shouldn't be mandatory, but I don't think I agree with the "should not be opt-out" opinion.
If opt-out lead to such a small number of player then it mean the bad aspect of cross play wPC really doesn't have much impact on the vast majority of players. When I see how hard they now seem to try to avoid splitting player base ( games mode on rotation rather than always available, new map no longer being paid DLC ), I feel like that's what they should thrive for when it comes to cross-play too. But absolutely keep the option to opt-out so if things are out of control ( cheat, controle imbalance, bad matchmaking / insert other reason ) or simply for people with a very low tolerance for it, then player can naturaly shy away from cross-play and maybe even end up with a majority of player with cross play disabled.
If opt-out lead to such a small number of player then it mean the bad aspect of cross play wPC really doesn't have much impact on the vast majority of players. When I see how hard they now seem to try to avoid splitting player base ( games mode on rotation rather than always available, new map no longer being paid DLC ), I feel like that's what they should thrive for when it comes to cross-play too. But absolutely keep the option to opt-out so if things are out of control ( cheat, controle imbalance, bad matchmaking / insert other reason ) or simply for people with a very low tolerance for it, then player can naturaly shy away from cross-play and maybe even end up with a majority of player with cross play disabled.
This is exactly how I feel. If a game has good SBMM, let everyone in. No need for an opt in or opt out option. There is lots of controller players who can still beat MnK players 1v1.
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Honestly PC players shouldn't be allowed to comment on this. Of course they would be for it since for them it's literally all the benefits with no downside, have your cake and eat it.
For big games like these the playerbase is more than healthy enough on its own on console. Only PC players are the ones needing handouts to sustain their playerbase.
How does forced crossplay benefit the majority of console players exactly? Games like CoD and the ones listed in the OP have tonnes and tonnes of players on console, you'll never struggle to matchmake. I'm also not against console-console crossplay, just PC.
And the reason people won't opt-out is because the opt-out option will be buried somewhere deep within the menus and they won't know about it. If you gave them the option right in the splash screen to turn off PC crossplay many console players would be ticking it.
Hell nah, this is a hill I'm willing to die on. My console playerbase is more than healthy enough on its own, thanks.
Huh, how would it be 90%? Most people won't opt out because a) they won't know about it and b) as I said above the option will be hidden deep within some menu.
That's why I said in my OP that opt-in is the solution.
Well we can guarantee with Bungie behind the wheels that it's going to be a shitshow. Look at their recent response on reddit to crossplay, it sounded like they hadn't even considered opt-out!
Do I have to update my OP and put this line at the top so people read it? I already said that you should be able to opt-in if you want to play with your friends on PC.
That's how Fortnite did it initially and everyone was happy.
For big games like these the playerbase is more than healthy enough on its own on console. Only PC players are the ones needing handouts to sustain their playerbase.
How does forced crossplay benefit the majority of console players exactly? Games like CoD and the ones listed in the OP have tonnes and tonnes of players on console, you'll never struggle to matchmake. I'm also not against console-console crossplay, just PC.
And the reason people won't opt-out is because the opt-out option will be buried somewhere deep within the menus and they won't know about it. If you gave them the option right in the splash screen to turn off PC crossplay many console players would be ticking it.
Hell nah, this is a hill I'm willing to die on. My console playerbase is more than healthy enough on its own, thanks.
Huh, how would it be 90%? Most people won't opt out because a) they won't know about it and b) as I said above the option will be hidden deep within some menu.
That's why I said in my OP that opt-in is the solution.
Well we can guarantee with Bungie behind the wheels that it's going to be a shitshow. Look at their recent response on reddit to crossplay, it sounded like they hadn't even considered opt-out!
Do I have to update my OP and put this line at the top so people read it? I already said that you should be able to opt-in if you want to play with your friends on PC.
That's how Fortnite did it initially and everyone was happy.
definitely opt in. Being matched up with hackers sucks. For a game like cod that was primarily a console game I don't understand why there is crossplay with pc. It only benefits pc players console player pool is big enough without crossplay. I like how apex legends handles it that if there is a pc player in the party then you get matched up in a pc lobby.
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Yes this is perfect and how it should be done.
For big AAA games there is zero issue with playerbase on console. Opt-in is fine in these cases.
For much smaller games I can maybe understand the forced crossplay opinion.
When I load up Multiplayer Mode in whatever, it should just immediately ask "Opt in/out of Crossplay?" and I shouldn't be able to start the mode until I answer. Problem solved. People are acting like if you made it opt in that there's literally no way to ever let people know they can do it and it's just ridiculous.
I don't know much about crossplay since I don't play MP in most games, but can't they make it so you can opt out but then still play with people who have crossplay on for whatever platform they're on? I guess that wouldn't work if you're trying to get like 16 people, but it would work for stuff with 2-4 players.
Lmao, what? Are we talking aim-assist? Because if not, that's just flat out wrong. Aiming in any FPS is waaaaayyyyy easier with a mouse instead of a joystick.
People want to play with their friends on other platforms. It's that simple.
It keeps the player base full casual people will not know to turn these options on I say leave it on.
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That's why I said opt-in crossplay is fine. Are you purposefully ignoring the many times that's been said in this thread?
The playerbase is already full on console.
This is hilarious. No, it's to bring the console manufacturer an additional revenue stream. If they wanted to gatekeep they could just ban your console on an individual hardware basis. The vast majority of people could never afford to buy a brand new console just to cheat or harass people. The idea that consoles ever charged you money to foster some quality of service is just childish. Free online services like PSN used to be, Nintendo used to be, and all PC services are not markedly different online experiences. I play on Xbox and PC and I get the same experiences of sexism, racism, and general toxicity. One just doesn't try to charge me money for the privilege.
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