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I don't want forced/default PC crossplay in my games devs. Please stop it.
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You can always have a system where people can play with friends anywhere. You just don't have to default to that setup. Apex does this I believe.
This is my larger thought. I see it some people that I play with. 'Fucking PC players' is a bogeyman for 'I just got beat'.
My takeaway is usually that if this is an issue to the point that you're consistently losing/getting beat then the problem is probably deeper than just the input device. Maybe the skill based matchmaking is failing you.
Mouse vs controller seems like such a minor thing compared to other factors out of your controller like differing input lags of displays, random elements in the actual match (weapons picked up, knowledge of maps etc) and, yes, just good old ability.
Getting rid of crossplay - because you're not doing as well as you'd like in your electronic toy - feels like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Is it forced? I was under the assumption that alot of these games require the console player to opt into crossplay with PC players whether that be in the options, or by having a friend partied up with you on PC. I know the option was defaulted on in a few games, but I always made sure to turn it off when I was playing on consoles...that being said it wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if some of these games just combine the queues once the players start to dwindle, while claiming console players have to opt in. I know some games on PC have like protections in place preventing you from swapping from a controller to a mouse and keyboard mid match. Like if you queue as a controller player with a controller plugged in etc. And unplug mid match it won't suddenly let you use m&k. It just says to reconnect you controller..so I do think this is an issue devs. are aware of and are trying to address. I'm sure the solutions arnt perfect yet, buy with crossplay being relatively new, in the next 5 years when it becomes common for alot of multiplayer games, the solutions will likely become far better with more time and development.
I think crossplay should be on by default, but I think it is sensible have preference options based on control settings, meaning preference people playing with gamepads to match with other gamepad users.
You still run into both input types but it seems like it rates your skill based on input choice rather than one universal rating? I run into way more controller players on Modern Warfare when I'm using controller, but I still see some M&KB people pop up (who usually seem much worse than the ones I see when I matchmake with M&KB myself).
I agree but that's not what people in this thread are arguing. They are saying you should mix inputs ALWAYS by default.
In my opinion a more accurate statement would be that it benefits everyone except a small minority of hardcore console players. I get why some people don't like it and I sympathize but the fact that opt-out causes matchmaking issues to those who do select it seems to prove that most people either want it or at the very least are fine with it.
Wow OP really tried to downplay Aim Assistance with controllers, which many more people complain about...crossplay has shown no noticeable difference in the percentage of wins per games played. Also, One X and Series X/PS4 Pro and PS5 can play these games with higher framerates than the "regular" PS4 and XB1...should they be excluded as well? What about people with Elite controllers and the like?
And "one" hacker a week is ruining your experience...really? If you proclaim to be a casual fan of these games then what is the problem?
And "one" hacker a week is ruining your experience...really? If you proclaim to be a casual fan of these games then what is the problem?
Stop making sense!
Don't listen to this man. Fortnite and Rogue Company with my friends has been very great during this pandemic. I want to play with them.
Excluding PC users with KnM may make more sense but even then with skill based match making this should even out a lot. I suck at shooters and get dominated every match but just being able to play with friends makes it way more fun.
Excluding PC users with KnM may make more sense but even then with skill based match making this should even out a lot. I suck at shooters and get dominated every match but just being able to play with friends makes it way more fun.
I'm confused. I read that gyro was the superior shooter controller scheme. Why are console players intimidated by MnK. Just use gyro.
Yep! As a primary PC gamer that plays everything with a controller (yes, even first person shooters) let me team up with my graphically and framerate inferior friends on console.
Aim assist IS powerful and has made controller an advantage in quite a few games. Let's talk about Halo MCC for one, a game made with controller. I get fucking wrecked if I play on mouse, when I was half decent on controller back when I actually played Halo on a console, to the point where I just don't play it anymore (and input-based matchmaking came way too late to bring my interest back). People were complaining about aim assist being so insanely powerful because at range and the smaller a target gets, mouse increasingly becomes a disadvantage. We're not all gods just because we picked up a mouse.
There's more controller players doing just fine than you think.
There's more controller players doing just fine than you think.
Crossplay benefits everyone especially a battle royale game where you need to find ~ 100 players at the start of the game, when you turn crossplay off in Warzone or Fortnite you see a huge difference in the time searching for a game, for the minority that want it off sure give them the option to opt out
And nothing about what the op said would change the situation you just described. When you mix party inputs, it would still function exactly the same way.
Console mouse adaptors are more popular than ever anyways
Even if you didn't face PC players no more on crossplay guarantee you will face some mouse adaptor users
People underestimate how much of these are used on console so easily accessible since ages ago and can fine tune the aim even aim assist and much more it's crazy while using Mouse and or keyboard
Even i had one and was destroying but i don't play FPS games on console anymore so gave it to a friend
Even if you didn't face PC players no more on crossplay guarantee you will face some mouse adaptor users
People underestimate how much of these are used on console so easily accessible since ages ago and can fine tune the aim even aim assist and much more it's crazy while using Mouse and or keyboard
Even i had one and was destroying but i don't play FPS games on console anymore so gave it to a friend
Yeah, as it should be :P
As someone who usually plays mp on PC I gotta disagree with everything in the OP
So you can turn it on if you wish.
What's the argument besides "I want easy kills"?
Agreed. As long as there's an option, I personally couldn't care less if it's opt in or opt out for things like this. I always review all the options in games before starting anyway to make sure I have things set to my liking.
sounds like opt out is the solution. youre still playing with 90% of the playerbase
Actually he shouldn't take the "L" and move on. And the discussion is fine. Your opinion is fine also outside the move on business. So if don't want to discuss then you take the "L" and move on.
As a PC player, i think there should be an option for those who want to opt-out, but cross-play should always be a thing.
PC MP typically die for certain games so I hope this isn't a thing in the future. The cheating/hacking isn't as widespread as you guys assume.
Devs never implement gyro on PS and Xbox doesn't have it.
On Switch is awesome though.
Somewhat related to this thread, I wish there was an option to only play against console users when using a controller on PC. I like gaming on the couch with a controller these days, but playing any FPS is pretty much pointless.
Cross-input default would fix that which personally I'm fine with as opposed to the OP. There are certain advantages of a PC but I think they aren't as a big a deal so cross input default is cool with me.
The whole point of crossplay is to increase the player pool without spliting it.
Split in game with no crossplay:
- PC player pool
- PS player pool
- Xbox player pool
- Switch player pool
Split in game with forced crossplay:
- Universal player pool (no split)
Split if the game lets you opt out:
- Universal player pool
- PC-only player pool
- PS-only player pool
- Xbox-only player pool
- Switch-only player pool
Split if the game lets you choose between full crossplay, console crossplay or no crossplay:
- Universal player pool
- Console-only player pool (console-only crossplay)
- PC-only player pool
- PS-only player pool
- Xbox-only player pool
- Switch-only player pool
More crossplay options = more splitting of the playerbase, negating the point of crossplay.
Forced crossplay is good. They just need to make it so the game TRIES to match people with the same input, and only resort to mixing inputs as the last resort if there aren't enough players.
Having more graphic options and mnk generally better for shooters is no problem right. Having crossplay is good but dont make it the default option. I skip any pvp game with forced crossplay.
As far as I know, Apex only matches you with PC players when you're playing with a PC teammate on your party. It's all Xbox + PSN otherwise.
Only way I can see this being wrong is Destiny for the PVP, but since I'm a PVE player I'd be most glad to help people out in anything but raids, no matter their platform, so the pros outweigh the cons.
Only way I can see this being wrong is Destiny for the PVP, but since I'm a PVE player I'd be most glad to help people out in anything but raids, no matter their platform, so the pros outweigh the cons.
Just leave it as Opt-out. If you don't want it, fine.
If you make it opt-in it would ruin the player base for the average person who isn't bothered by it all.
If you make it opt-in it would ruin the player base for the average person who isn't bothered by it all.
Yeah I've responded to a few of these people so I don't think people do or quite understand what some terms mean. I mean you can disagree with the OP. That is fine. But he is not saying PC and console players should NEVER be able to play with each other. He is saying that it should not default to that setup. (Once again you can disagree with that)
Nobody is saying that crossplay shouldn't ever exist so that PC and gamepad players can't play with each other.
They should always be able to play with each other if they want. Once you mix inputs then you are thrown into the mouse and keyboard lobbies to play.
I think this correct and I think its the most fair implementation of crossplay. I also think PC gamepad players should be able to default be in that pool of players but I'm not sure if that's how it works in APEX.
There are some other games that are less aim intensive that I don't mind crossplay on either but I do not want to play apex against mouse and keyboard players. It's why I game on a console in the first place.
We don't even know what destiny's is going to look like yet.
Wholeheartedly agree. Cross play between consoles is absolutely fine but PC should be excluded (or at the very least opt-in).
Input advantages aside there's just far too many cheaters.
Input advantages aside there's just far too many cheaters.
So it's worth having a good enough playerbase on the expense of other ppl fun. It's not "only" about input. Do you only play on pc aint you?
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